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1. pay revise kar ke chain ki need lenge
From: Mahesh chand Meena
2a. Re: Pls solve my OCLAN problem
From: Mahesh chand Meena
3a. Re: pay scale for non executive.
From: Mahesh chand Meena
4. TO CELEBRATE ENGINEERS DAY-15TH SEPT. -2009.
From: Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab
5a. Re: dely in wage revision - FOR ALL MEMBERS
From: Sandip Solanki
6. Fw: JRD TATA - by Sudha Murthy (MUST READ)
From: Chandrakant Darji
7a. add-on card and reduced night calling in Postpaid
From: ashish kalani
8a. Re: CDR PROJECT
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9. Best of Luck to CC,SNATTA,Tamilnadu Circle
From: Sandip Solanki
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1. pay revise kar ke chain ki need lenge
Posted by: "Mahesh chand Meena" maheshchand.meena@yahoo.com maheshchand.meena
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:58 am ((PDT))
Dear all tta groups,
Good evng all of u,
Ho himmat nanhe parinde ke jigar to asma na par ho aisa nahi hota,
so lage raho dear ek din saflata app hi kadam chumengi.
ur sathi,
Er. Mahesh Meena
TTA (BB)
09413782004
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2a. Re: Pls solve my OCLAN problem
Posted by: "Mahesh chand Meena" maheshchand.meena@yahoo.com maheshchand.meena
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:59 am ((PDT))
Dear M K SAHA,
Thxs for reply my prob.............
It is NSN OCLAN it is not showing hardware address before & after give clear arp / show arp command.....
it was BNC connecter problem, b/c its outer layer was not touching proper .
after move cable it touched & then ping from BNG.
now i have replaced /repaired its which it working properly........
--- On Sun, 13/9/09, M K SAHA <maansaha@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: M K SAHA <maansaha@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Pls solve my OCLAN problem
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 13 September, 2009, 8:44 AM
dear mahesh,
if ur OCLAN is of siemens make and Tier I is UTSTARCOM, then it is a compatibility problem. After log in to BNG before pinging, use the command #clear arp-cache (ENTER), wait for 10-15 second, then ping. u should get reply immediately. don't reboot the converter. otherwise change the converter and check.
mANAs kUMAr sAHa
TTA
NIB Node
Siliguri
94343-09229
--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Mahesh chand Meena <maheshchand. meena@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Mahesh chand Meena <maheshchand. meena@yahoo. com>
Subject: [TTABSNL] Pls solve my OCLAN problem
To: "MAHESH" <ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>
Cc: jeet_lns@yahoo. com
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 3:10 PM
Dear all tta group,
good an,
I am facing one prob that my one oclan site have to do hard reboot of FENGINE converter in every day other wise it don't ping to BNG.
which other sites has disturbed .My oclan ip - 10.238.116.73
kindly solve my probs with send advise ..........
immediately. ......... .i m wating
Er. Mahesh Meena
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3a. Re: pay scale for non executive.
Posted by: "Mahesh chand Meena" maheshchand.meena@yahoo.com maheshchand.meena
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:59 am ((PDT))
Dear,
it is good response
we r also with him/her.
--- On Sun, 13/9/09, G S Rajawat <gcsrajawat@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: G S Rajawat <gcsrajawat@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Re: pay scale for non executive.
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 13 September, 2009, 3:37 PM
Hello
This is a really so called detailed analysis of the problem, now I think that all the snatta members are understand the situations. Every things needs an object oriented study and analysis towards the problem and as usual this time again Mr Dharmenra and Vikas Gupta shown themselves.
Friends this yahoo group is for us and of course by us, so please discuss the healthy topics like these two guys set the examples.
If you have any doubts than let them clarified with respective CC and CS.
And please keep donating towards snatta so that we are able to face any adverse situation in future.
With Regards:-
G S Rajawat
Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
(A Govt. Of India Enterprise)
Cell: +91-9413424883
--- On Sun, 13/9/09, dharmen24 <ripu.verma@gmail. com> wrote:
From: dharmen24 <ripu.verma@gmail. com>
Subject: [TTABSNL] Re: pay scale for non executive.
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, 13 September, 2009, 2:53 PM
Dear Friends
This issue needs some clarifications. First and foremost SNATTA is trying to get the higher pay scale for TTA i.e. above 7100-200-10100. As far as fitment formula goes it is and will be applicable to the TTAs recruited before 01.01.2007 only. The Pay Revision is basically to compensate the employees for the loss in salary incurred in the previous service and not for the future service. Even in the case of JTOs only the JTOs who were selected prior to 2007 are being asked to give the fitment. Shri Vikas K. Gupta has also pointed out that the JTOs recruited after 01.01.2007 is not even talked about for fitment.
DRJTO batch of 2005 is justified in asking for fitment as they were recruited before 2007 but some of them were sent on training after or in the year 2007 for no fault of theirs. This situation is not to be the case in DRTTA. We are literate enough to understand this simple logic. The TTAs who have served for more than 7 years would obviously draw more salary than the TTA recruited recently. The difference of Rs.6000 or 7000 as shown by Shri Rajesh Kumar is not big enough if you see the full rationality behind the justification. The Annual increment+ 7% average increase in D.A will amount to nearly this much only. Now some one has said that by this formula DOT TTAs should get 3 or 4 times the salary than the DRTTA of 2002 batch. Again this shows the immaturity and lack of proper analysis of the situation. The DOT TTAs are not there for 26 years. The DOT TTAs were earlier Casual Technicians/ Technicians and were promoted to the TTA cadre in 1994-96.
After 5th Pay Commission they were given scale of Rs. 5000/- (i.e.7100-200- 10100) on 01.10.2000 and we were recruited in the year 2002. Till today there is a difference of over 5000 b/w a DRTTA 2002 and DOTTTA and still it will increase after implementation of promotion policy and pay revision and as per you and also me it is justified as they have given more service (approx. 6-8 years) as TTA than you and me. The same is the case with DRTTA 2002 and (2007&8).
The fact is that you will get more salary from the one at present and there is no second thought on it. But the fitment of 30% is not possible as even the date of exam is after 01.01.2007. Yes as per Shri Vikas K Gupta Ex- Member Wage Committee, SNATTA it has been clarified that SNATTA has asked for higher pay scale for TTA and if accepted this would benefit all the TTA of 2007&8 batch only and DRTTA of 2002 batch will not get any benefit out of this as higher pay scale would be applicable from 01.01.2007 only.
Dear Rishi, Girish and Rajesh and others please make it a point that when ever you have some questions and doubts or objections, simply don't raise a finger towards SNATTA. You guys have just asked from SNATTA about its views on pay scales. Has any one of you have taken pain in reading the Recommendations on Wage by SNATTA placed on website. If yes then you should have elaborated the contents which made you think otherwise. DRTTAs like you who are very well educated and literate and an engineer too should have written with clear suggestions from your side as to how to approach the problem if it arises as is expected from a DR TTA.
I again request all the Engineers to please elaborate the contents and meaning behind your mail. Just don't vent out any frustration or misconception in few words.
Dharmendra Verma
G.S.
--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@. ..> wrote:
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> The pay anamoly that Rishi and Girish have anticipated is not altogether baseless.I think they have a very valid point and we should see that there is no discrimination with new and old TTAs.And goverment has a very little role to play in pay determination of non executives in CPSUs,it just issues a broad guidelines,a frame of rules and policies within which everything has to be finalised with mutual agreement and consent of Union and Management.Beacause ,as unionised workers we have a right to negotiate on wages and other industrial disputes ,but the executives are at the mercy of government and DPE as they are just given a chance to be heard but it is finally the report of Committee which after approval of the Govt and DPE is followed in all PSUs.But we are called for agreement
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> In Railways,entry level of JE---------- --------- -rs 5000
> after fitment of 1.86 now its ------------ --------rs 9300(5000*1. 86)+ 4200(40 % of 10500,upper limit of the scales which are merged)
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> So,now a JE who joined before 1.1.2006(date of revision in govt dept,railways) is getting 9300+4200+da+ hra+misc and a JE who joined after 1.1.2006 is also getting same amount ie 9300+4200+da+ hra+misc .starting basic is 13500 for both.
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> We can conclude that the fitment is universal,ie equal at all levels,entry level or even after 4 or 8 years of service the fitment benefit is 1.86.
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> But in BSNL what happened to JTO pay scale?
> It was 9850 pre revised and now its proposed at 18850.(68.2 da neut and just 13 % fitment)
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> this has resulted in a serious pay anamoly.JTO who joined bsefore 1.1.2007 is now placed at rs 21538 but a jto who joined after this date will get just 18850.the difference is almost 3000 in basic alone which is just too much.So with just single day you face a loss of 3000 in basic alone..
> So we conclude that the fitment is not equal.If the fitment is 30 % then it should be at all levels,also at entry level.
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> No one made hue and cry over this initially,even AIGETOA woke up from its sleep very becuase it feared it may lose prospective members .Recently it has riased its voice but that too for 2005 JTOs ,but what about those who have been recruited after 2007,why should they get less fitment.Any way this matter cant be solved by BSNL alone because the pay scale has been approved by DPE and applicable to all CPSUs.
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> But we are at benefit becuase our scale is yet to be finalised,the wage comm has to ensure that the fitment is universal.If its 68.2 % da neutralisation and 30 % fitment formula then the new scale of TTA should be 7100*1.682*1. 3=rs 15524 at the minimum.And its obvious that the TTA s who have served longer years would get benefit by virtue of the length of service,but the fitment would still be the same.
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> tta joined before 1.1.2007,starting basic --7100 will be revised to 15524
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> tta joined after 1.1.2007,starting basic --7100 will be revised to 15524
> if my basic is 8500 after 7 years of service then new basic--8500* 1.682*1.3= rs 18586
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> But SNATTA is trying its best to get the pay scale upgraded from 7100 to higher scales and we have given justificationsfor that,So,f it happens then the new TTA would be benefitted more then the older ones.
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> TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,Jharkhand
> 9471590026
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> --- On Sat, 12/9/09, CHANDAN KUMAR SAMAL chandan_bsnl@ ... wrote:
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> From: CHANDAN KUMAR SAMAL chandan_bsnl@ ...
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Saturday, 12 September, 2009, 1:41 AM
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> Pay commission sits in every 10 years. Don't you think that those who joined 20/30 years back must have seen few wage revisions also. there pay was last time revised in 1997. At that time also these things must have happened. Those who joined after 1.1. 1997 must be at a disadvantage/ Advantage than the others who were rectted earlier than 1.1.1997. That's what sandip was trying to make u understand.
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> So dear, it is the Govt that takes decisions as to who should get how much. and Govt takes decisions to be followed, not to be discussed.
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> and u know, the funniest thing is that u people have anticipated a problem and want SNATTA to speak for u. PLEASE have a little patience. who knows 2007 rectted TTAs may be at a advantagous position than 2001 rectted just like it happened in last PRC. Also have a close watch on what happens in the case of 2005 batch JTOs. If there anomoly is solved then yours will also be solved automatically. If there problem remains as it is, then forget SNATTA, even GOD can't speak for u.
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> From: rishi singh rishi12353@yahoo. com>
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 6:37:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
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> if service period is under consideration then people who join bsnl(dot) 20 or 30 yrs back n now working in same cadre of TTA ,they sud get double or triple salary compaired to batch 2002.
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> as per govt. rule n tradition revised salary sud be uniform 4 all(cadre wise)....n thats wat arrears matters,who joined early he will got arrears..by the way why ur logic is not applicable to MT recruitment with their pay scale????
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> TTA,bangalore
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> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Sandip Solanki sandip4net@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
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> From: Sandip Solanki sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 5:37 AM
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> Don't be so exited. We have serve the department for last 7 years and for that we are getting the 30% fitment. You have just entered in to. The revision of scales will decide your benefit. But it will definately not at par with the recruitees before 1.1.2007 and it is ligible. The fitment is the part of service before the wage revision, that is not applicable in 2008 and 2009 batch.
> There is nothing to think of. We are trying our best for better Revised Scales. Even we have demanded that they should be revised as per the DPE guidlines. Then it will be about 16400/-. Let's see what happens.
> Don't ever try to mislead someone that there will be injustice to 2008 & 2009 batch. This is the rule.
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> Er. Sandip Solanki
> C.C., SNATTA,
> Rajkot - GUJARAT
> 09429244440
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> --- On Thu, 10/9/09, Gireesh Kumar <gireesh.klm@ gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Gireesh Kumar <gireesh.klm@ gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Thursday, 10 September, 2009, 8:30 PM
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> In this Wage Revision there will not be any benefit for Newly Recruited TTAs, Isn't It ??
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> EXPECTED PAY IF IT IS 30% FITMANT
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> BASIC 7100-200-10100 14500-30400( 3% annual inc)
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> da 3480
> HRA 1490
> DIET 500
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> GROSS 20766
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> THIS IS ONLY APPROXIMATE BUT NEW TTA GET VERY LESS COMPARE TO OLD TTA.
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> CMTS, PALACODE 9443200084
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4. TO CELEBRATE ENGINEERS DAY-15TH SEPT. -2009.
Posted by: "Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab" circlesecretarypunjab@gmail.com
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:31 pm ((PDT))
*Dear ENGINEERS,*
* TOMORROW WILL BE A ENGINEERS DAY, SINCE ALL
MEMBERS OF SNATTA ARE ENGINEERS , SO MANY MANY CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE
ENGINEERS DAY ON 15TH SEPT. -2009.A BRIEF HISTORY OF ENGINEERS DAY--*
Bharat Ratna Sir Mokshagundam Visvesvarava (1860 - 1965) was called a wizard
in engineering. He was also called the precursor of economic planning in
India. He took an interest not in engineering alone, but was capable of
applying his talent to many allied matters connected with the development of
the nation.
His learned discourse on economic planning in India entitled 'Planned
Economy for India and Reconstructing India' was the first available document
on the planning effort of the country and it is still held as the parent
source matter for economic planners.
To commemorate the birthday of Bharat Ratna Sir M Visvesvaraya, the Council
of the Institutions decided to observe September 15 as the Engineers' Day
every year.
*ON THE OCCASION OF ENGINEERS DAY WE HAVE TO DO THE
FOLLOWING ACTIVITIES-*
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*1. EVERY ENGINEERS OF SNATTA MUST USE PREFIX ( Er. ) WITH HIS OR HER NAME
,whenever have any correspondence with a SSA OFFICE , CGM OFFICE & CO OFFICE
DELHI.*
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*2. TO MAKE A RESOLUTION ON ENGINEERS DAY THAT WE MUST HAVE ENGINEER IN OUR
DESIGNATION i.e JE(TELECOM) IN BSNL. *
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*3.TO MAKE A RESOLUTION THAT WE MUST HAVE A PAY SCALE OF ENGINEERS IN BSNL.*
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*4. SENDS A GREETINGS MESSAGE TO ALL MEMBERS OF SNATTA OR AT LEAST TO 10
MEMBERS.*
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*WITH REGARDS,*
*Er. HAKAM SINGH,*
*CS-SNATTA-PB,*
*094172-77177.*
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5a. Re: dely in wage revision - FOR ALL MEMBERS
Posted by: "Sandip Solanki" sandip4net@yahoo.co.in sandip4net
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:31 pm ((PDT))
Dear Rahul & Specially all DR-TTAs,
Rahul, Let Mr. Venkat ( or Rajesh ) answer the question.
I want to say this particular thing that people who doesn't know what they are saying, please don't discuss anything on this platform. You don't know what you are saying. You might have not own thinking that is why you post some ideas of others. You all please get the depth of the thing and then say something.
All here are engineers and as I am continuously telling that our words affects... So please think thousand times and be prepared with justification before spreading something on this platform.
I insist the Moderators again that this should be notice strictly.. First we can do is as I, Hakkam, Abhilash and all says that The mails without full identity should be blocked and they must be given a reply that they should mail with their full identity with Mob. No.
Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440
--- On Fri, 11/9/09, rahul Kant <rahul_tanu2008@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: rahul Kant <rahul_tanu2008@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] dely in wage revision
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 11 September, 2009, 5:07 PM
There is no political reasons .But what are the reasons.That non-executives are struggle about wage revision.Whether executive have done it within a month.Non-executive having strength 2-3 lac whether executive are only 50k.so where we are lagging.
From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:59:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] dely in wage revision
What type of political reasons friend !!
Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440
--- On Fri, 11/9/09, VENKATESAN RAD <venk212@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: VENKATESAN RAD <venk212@yahoo. com>
Subject: [TTABSNL] dely in wage revision
To: ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com
Date: Friday, 11 September, 2009, 3:35 PM
First there will be agreement on periodicity of wage revision.
There is no agreement on periodicity as yet between recognized union and management. In case it is of five years DOT´s approval is necessary.
(II) Once periodicity is decided fitment formula has to be evolved and agreement between management and recognized union is necessary in this respect.
(III) After above two agreements issues of evolving of new pay scales and rate of increment will arise.
(IV) Once Pay Scales etc are evolved question of perks and allowances will be taken up.
The recognized union is delaying the process of wage revision due to political reasons.
rajesh kumar tta, bsnl cmts palacode
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6. Fw: JRD TATA - by Sudha Murthy (MUST READ)
Posted by: "Chandrakant Darji" n_chandru78@yahoo.com n_chandru78
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:31 pm ((PDT))
" NATURE IS ONE OF THE MOST GRETEST CREATION OF GOD IN UNIVERSE LIKE IT'S BABY "
--- On Sun, 9/13/09, ashish soni <er_ashish_soni@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: ashish soni <er_ashish_soni@yahoo.com>
Subject: JRD TATA - by Sudha Murthy (MUST READ)
To: "ashish soni" <er_ashish_soni@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 6:59 PM
Have a good day ahead........GOOD MORNING..........Ashish Soni.
Have Passion!
It was probably the April of 1974. Bangalore was getting warm and gulmohars were blooming at the IISc campus. I was the only girl in my postgraduate department and was staying at the ladies' hostel. Other girls were pursuing research in different departments of Science.
I was looking forward to going abroad to complete a doctorate in computer science. I had been offered scholarships from Universities in the US ... I had not thought of taking up a job in India .
One day, while on the way to my hostel from our lecture-hall complex, I saw an advertisement on the notice board. It was a standard job-requirement notice from the famous automobile company Telco (now Tata Motors)... It stated that the company required young, bright engineers, hardworking and with an excellent academic background, etc.
At the bottom was a small line: 'Lady Candidates need not apply.'
I read it and was very upset. For the first time in my life I was up against gender discrimination.
Though I was not keen on taking up the job, I saw it as a challenge. I had done extremely well in academics, better than most of my male peers....
Little did I know then that in real life academic excellence is not enough to be successful?
After reading the notice I went fuming to my room. I decided to inform the topmost person in Telco's management about the injustice the company was perpetrating. I got a postcard and started to write, but there was a problem: I did not know who headed Telco
I thought it must be one of the Tatas. I knew JRD Tata was the head of the Tata Group; I had seen his pictures in newspapers (actually, Sumant Moolgaokar was the company's chairman then) I took the card, addressed it to JRD and started writing. To this day I remember clearly what I wrote.
'The great Tatas have always been pioneers. They are the people who started the basic infrastructure industries in India , such as iron and steel, chemicals, textiles and locomotives they have cared for higher education in India since 1900 and they were responsible for the establishment of the Indian Institute of Science. Fortunately, I study there. But I am surprised how a company such as Telco is discriminating on the basis of gender.'
I posted the letter and forgot about it. Less than 10 days later, I received a telegram stating that I had to appear for an interview at Telco's Pune facility at the company's expense. I was taken aback by the telegram. My hostel mate told me I should use the opportunity to go to Pune free of cost and buy them the famous Pune saris for cheap! I collected Rs30 each from everyone who wanted a sari when I look back, I feel like laughing at the reasons for my going, but back then they seemed good enough to make the trip.
It was my first visit to Pune and I immediately fell in love with the city.
To this day it remains dear to me. I feel as much at home in Pune as I do in Hubli, my hometown. The place changed my life in so many ways. As directed, I went to Telco's Pimpri office for the interview.
There were six people on the panel and I realized then that this was serious business.
'This is the girl who wrote to JRD,' I heard somebody whisper as soon as I entered the room. By then I knew for sure that I would not get the job. The realization abolished all fear from my mind, so I was rather cool while the interview was being conducted.
Even before the interview started, I reckoned the panel was biased, so I told them, rather impolitely, 'I hope this is only a technical interview.'
They were taken aback by my rudeness, and even today I am ashamed about my attitude.
The panel asked me technical questions and I answered all of them.
Then an elderly gentleman with an affectionate voice told me, 'Do you know why we said lady candidates need not apply? The reason is that we have never employed any ladies on the shop floor. This is not a co-ed college; this is a factory. When it comes to academics, you are a first ranker throughout. We appreciate that, but people like you should work in research laboratories.
I was a young girl from small-town Hubli. My world had been a limited place.
I did not know the ways of large corporate houses and their difficulties, so I answered, 'But you must start somewhere, otherwise no woman will ever be able to work in your factories.'
Finally, after a long interview, I was told I had been successful. So this was what the future had in store for me. Never had I thought I would take up a job in Pune. I met a shy young man from Karnataka there, we became good friends and we got married.
It was only after joining Telco that I realized who JRD was: the uncrowned king of Indian industry.. Now I was scared, but I did not get to meet him till I was transferred to Bombay . One day I had to show some reports to Mr Moolgaokar, our chairman, who we all knew as SM.. I was in his office on the first floor of Bombay House (the Tata headquarters) when, suddenly JRD walked in. That was the first time I saw 'appro JRD'. Appro means 'our' in Gujarati.. This was the affectionate term by which people at Bombay House called him..
I was feeling very nervous, remembering my postcard episode. SM introduced me nicely, 'Jeh (that's what his close associates called him), this young woman is an engineer and that too a postgraduate.
She is the first woman to work on the Telco shop floor.' JRD looked at me. I was praying he would not ask me any questions about my interview (or the postcard that preceded it).
Thankfully, he didn't. Instead, he remarked. 'It is nice that girls are getting into engineering in our country. By the way, what is your name?'
'When I joined Telco I was Sudha Kulkarni, Sir,' I replied. 'Now I am Sudha Murthy.' He smiled and kindly smile and started a discussion with SM. As for me, I almost ran out of the room.
After that I used to see JRD on and off. He was the Tata Group chairman and I was merely an engineer. There was nothing that we had in common. I was in awe of him.
One day I was waiting for Murthy, my husband, to pick me up after office hours. To my surprise I saw JRD standing next to me. I did not know how to react. Yet again I started worrying about that postcard. Looking back, I realize JRD had forgotten about it. It must have been a small incident for him, but not so for me.
'Young lady, why are you here?' he asked. 'Office time is over.' I said, 'Sir, I'm waiting for my husband to come and pick me up.' JRD said, 'It is getting dark and there's no one in the corridor.
I'll wait with you till your husband comes..'
I was quite used to waiting for Murthy, but having JRD waiting alongside made me extremely uncomfortable.
I was nervous. Out of the corner of my eye I looked at him. He wore a simple white pant and shirt. He was old, yet his face was glowing. There wasn't any air of superiority about him. I was thinking, 'Look at this person. He is a chairman, a well-respected man in our country and he is waiting for the sake of an ordinary employee.'
Then I saw Murthy and I rushed out. JRD called and said, 'Young lady, tell your husband never to make his wife wait again.' In 1982 I had to resign from my job at Telco. I was reluctant to go, but I really did not have a choice. I was coming down the steps of Bombay House after wrapping up my final settlement when I saw JRD coming up. He was absorbed in thought. I wanted to say goodbye to him, so I stopped. He saw me and paused.
Gently, he said, 'So what are you doing, Mrs. Kulkarni?' (That was the way he always addressed me..) 'Sir, I am leaving Telco.'
'Where are you going?' he asked. 'Pune, Sir. My husband is starting a company called Infosys and I'm shifting to Pune.'
'Oh! And what will you do when you are successful.'
'Sir, I don't know whether we will be successful.' 'Never start with diffidence,' he advised me 'Always start with confidence. When you are successful you must give back to society. Society gives us so much; we must reciprocate. Wish you all the best.'
Then JRD continued walking up the stairs. I stood there for what seemed like a millennium. That was the last time I saw him alive.
Many years later I met Ratan Tata in the same Bombay House, occupying the chair JRD once did. I told him of my many sweet memories of working with Telco. Later, he wrote to me, 'It was nice hearing about Jeh from you.
The sad part is that he's not alive to see you today.'
I consider JRD a great man because, despite being an extremely busy person, he valued one postcard written by a young girl seeking justice. He must have received thousands of letters everyday. He could have thrown mine away, but he didn't do that. He respected the intentions of that unknown girl, who had neither influence nor money, and gave her an opportunity in his company. He did not merely give her a job; he changed her life and mindset forever.
Close to 50 per cent of the students in today's engineering colleges are girls. And there are women on the shop floor in many industry segments. I see these changes and I think of JRD. If at all time stops and asks me what I want from life, I would say I wish JRD were alive today to see how the company we started has grown. He would have enjoyed it wholeheartedly.
My love and respect for the House of Tata remains undiminished by the passage of time. I always looked up to JRD. I saw him as a role model for his simplicity, his generosity, his kindness and the care he took of his employees. Those blue eyes always reminded me of the sky; they had the same vastness and magnificence.
(Sudha Murthy is a widely published writer and chairperson of the Infosys Foundation involved in a number of social development initiatives. Infosys chairman Narayana Murthy is her husband.)
Article sourced from: Lasting Legacies (Tata Review- Special Commemorative Issue 2004), brought out by the house of Tatas to commemorate the 100th birth anniversary of JRD Tata on July 29, 2004.
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FOR YOU NEVER KNOW,
WHOM YOU WILL MEET, ON YOUR WAY DOWN
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7a. add-on card and reduced night calling in Postpaid
Posted by: "ashish kalani" ashish_kavi@yahoo.co.in ashish_kavi
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:15 am ((PDT))
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Subject: Fw: add-on card and reduced night calling in Postpaid
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Date: Saturday, 12 September, 2009, 4:24 PM
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Subject: add-on card and reduced night calling in Postpaid
To: "TTA BSNL" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "ritesh ahir" <riteshahir@in.com>
Date: Saturday, 12 September, 2009, 3:24 PM
Dear friends of Gujarat,
As Gujarat Circle is going to introduce ADD-ON card with existing postpaid plans (introduced new plan EK Duje Ke Liye) and reduced night calling chargein Postpaid from 15-9-209 .The customers in Plan higher than plan 125 will also get a free ADD-ON SIM no rent will be taken for the add-on and internal talk will be totally free between them. please read attachments for details.
Regards,
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GSM Call Center Gujarat.
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8a. Re: CDR PROJECT
Posted by: "jella ramesh" ram_jella@yahoo.co.in ram_jella
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:28 am ((PDT))
clarity is sucessfully implemented in hyderabad. but senior persons are not in position to interact with clratiy , beacause it is every thing with gui based.
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9. Best of Luck to CC,SNATTA,Tamilnadu Circle
Posted by: "Sandip Solanki" sandip4net@yahoo.co.in sandip4net
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:58 am ((PDT))
Dear Pradip,
Best of Luck for your Circle Conference to be held on 20th Sept,2009.
I have mailed you on snattatamilnadu@gmail.com also, you might be using that mail too.
All the best again to you and the organisers..
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10. Anyone having Relations or Friends working in GJU University, Hisar,
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Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:21 am ((PDT))
Hi all,
Does Anyone having Relations or Friends working in GJU University, Hisar,
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