Sunday, October 31, 2010

TTABSNL Digest Number 1940

There are 3 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. How many mobile phone in India..? Govt to check.
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

2. Oral Rehydration: Health Tip of the Day!
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

3a. Re: INCENTIVES FOR AMIE/GRAD IETE IN BSNL/CENTRAL GOVT.
From: shamsul huda


Messages
________________________________________________________________________
1. How many mobile phone in India..? Govt to check.
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:23 pm ((PDT))

*How many mobile phone in India..? Govt to check.*

The government is planning to carry out a pilot project to find the actual
number of mobile telephone users in the country, which according to the
operators stands at 670 million now.

*The decision comes amid reports that the subscriber numbers reported by the
operators were incorrect and does not give a true picture of the number of
actual mobile users in the country. *

In a the meeting of Telecom Commission, held last week, it was decided that
"...an exercise should be done on pilot basis in a representative area to
know the actual number of active users as against the number of active SIMs
in that area."

At present TRAI releases subscriber figures as recorded in the Home Location
Register (HLR) of the telecom service providers. It gives record of total
number of SIMs sold and not active subscribers.

*A HLR is a database of user (subscriber) information, customer profiles,
used in mobile (cellular) networks. HLR counts multiple SIM issued to an
individual as a separate connections. *

Based on HLR record, TRAI stated that the total number of wireless
subscribers in the country reached 670.60 million in the country in August.

*The (Visitor Location Register) VLR data gives the details of active
customers at a given point of time. VLR is more authentic in knowing the
active subscriber numbers. *

Although no official figures are available for non-active subscribers, some
estimates show that actual number of subscribers may not be more than 500
million.

This, however, could not be ascertained either from the government or
operators.
--
regards,

*Bandhan Preet Singh,*
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
2. Oral Rehydration: Health Tip of the Day!
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:23 pm ((PDT))

-
regards,

*Bandhan Preet Singh,*
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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3a. Re: INCENTIVES FOR AMIE/GRAD IETE IN BSNL/CENTRAL GOVT.
Posted by: "shamsul huda" huda_muthaleef@yahoo.com huda_muthaleef
Date: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:24 pm ((PDT))

there is no format for applying for incentive.This is how i got my incentive.
 
I wrote a letter through proper channel to DGM(admn), seeking incentive. I attached the coies of permission letter to study, degree certificate etc I got a letter from admn office stating that I need to attach a letter addressed either by the DE or DGm of my unit, stating that the course undergone by me is useful to the organsation. I also attched a copy of such a letter from my DE. My file was forwarded to CGM office.
 
I got the incentive. Also I received a CONGRATS LETTER  from my GM and DGm.


--- On Sat, 30/10/10, Manoj <borah_manoj@yahoo.co.in> wrote:


From: Manoj <borah_manoj@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: TTABSNL INCENTIVES FOR AMIE/GRAD IETE IN BSNL/CENTRAL GOVT.
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 30 October, 2010, 8:47 AM


 

If anybody have any format/form for applying incentive after acquiring engineering degree, than plz forward it....

Manoj Borah, TTA
Assam Circle

--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, shashi bhushan <shashi_bhushan999@...> wrote:
>
> Lots of TTA in Ludhiana SSA are completed AMIE with Department permission
> and Received incentive Rs. 8000.00 for the same
>  shashi bhushan
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: AMIT SAHU <amit_bsnlfkbd@...>
> To: TTA BSNL <ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, 20 September, 2010 4:40:25 PM
> Subject: TTABSNL INCENTIVES FOR AMIE/GRAD IETE IN BSNL/CENTRAL GOVT.
>
>  
> HI FRIENDS,
>                    CAN ANY BODY TELL ME THAT IF ANY TTA HAVE COMPLETED HIS
> AMIE/IETE DEGREE WITH PEMISSION OF DEPT. ANY INCETIVES LIKE EXTRA INCERMENT IS
> PROVIDED OR NOT .
>                    IF ANY INCENTIVE PROVIDED IN ANY GOVT DEPARTMENT THAN PL MAIL
> ME OR CONTACT ME-
>
>
>
>                                                             AMIT KUMAR
> SAHU-TTA(BSC-ERICSSON)
>                                                             MOBILE NO-9415333366
>

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Saturday, October 30, 2010

TTABSNL Digest Number 1939

There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: HRMS at mobile
From: Umesh Toshniwal
1b. Re: HRMS at mobile
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
1c. fom Re: TTABSNL HRMS at mobile
From: Mr adv balu

2a. Constipation: Health Tip of the Day!
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

3. See something positive in every person and in every situation
From: Yasin Sindhi

4a. LTC fo Andman Nicobar
From: Jayanshu pandya
4b. Re: LTC fo Andman Nicobar
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

5a. Re: INCENTIVES FOR AMIE/GRAD IETE IN BSNL/CENTRAL GOVT.
From: Manoj


Messages
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1a. Re: HRMS at mobile
Posted by: "Umesh Toshniwal" utoshniwal_04@yahoo.co.in utoshniwal_04
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:44 am ((PDT))

Good one but before sending SMS, register ur mobile no in HR portal.

With Regards,

Umesh Toshniwal
BSNL,Chittorgarh(Raj.)

--- On Fri, 29/10/10, G S Rajawat <gsrajawat@gmail.com> wrote:


From: G S Rajawat <gsrajawat@gmail.com>
Subject: TTABSNL HRMS at mobile
To: "TTA BSNL" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 2:58 PM


 


Daer All
here are the few tips that i hope few of our friends  dont know at all....
To know the salary , EPF,,,Incometax details of the cell you may send short message for the same on 52766


example
sal  and send it to 52766   to know salary details
epf and send it to 52766 to know EPF details
itax and send it to 52766 to know Income tax Details.


--

Regards:-
G S Rajawat
Group Moderator

B S N L  Newai
Tonk, Raj. (India)
9166090080
gsrajawat@gmail.com

Messages in this topic (4)
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1b. Re: HRMS at mobile
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:57 am ((PDT))

dear Rajawat,

thanks again for sharing such good tips but u have given incomplete details.
Pls make sure that whenever we post messages then we should give full
relevant details.

the below SMS will work from *Mobile* that are registered in HR Portal only.

*Just SMS SAL for Salary ,
ITAX for IT Details ,
GPF for GPF Details,
PAN for PAN details,*

*APPT for Appointment details
*


**

*to 52766 from ur BSNL service connection.*


*also tell me the charges for the each msg we sent from the Non-BSNL
numbers.??
*

*pls clarify if i am wrong somewhere..*

regards,
*Bandhan Preet Singh*


On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:58 PM, G S Rajawat <gsrajawat@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Daer All
> here are the few tips that i hope few of our friends dont know at all....
> To know the salary , EPF,,,Incometax details of the cell you may send
> short message for the same on 52766
>
> example
> sal and send it to 52766 to know salary details
> epf and send it to 52766 to know EPF details
> itax and send it to 52766 to know Income tax Details.
>
>
> --
>
> Regards:-
> G S Rajawat
> Group Moderator
> B S N L Newai
> Tonk, Raj. (India)
> 9166090080
> gsrajawat@gmail.com
>
>
>
>

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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1c. fom Re: TTABSNL HRMS at mobile
Posted by: "Mr adv balu" balu_adv@yahoo.com balu_adv
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:07 am ((PDT))

sms costs .2/- from any mobile
 
BALU


________________________________
From: Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail.com>
To: TTA BSNL <ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 29 October, 2010 7:20:27 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL HRMS at mobile

 
dear Rajawat,

thanks again for sharing such good tips but u have given incomplete details. Pls
make sure that whenever we post messages then we should give full relevant
details.

the below SMS will work fromMobile that are registered in HR Portal only.

Just  SMS       SAL for Salary  ,
ITAX for IT Details ,
GPF for GPF Details,
PAN   for  PAN details,
APPT for Appointment details 


to 52766 from ur BSNL service connection.

also tell me the charges for the each msg we sent from the Non-BSNL numbers.??

pls clarify if i am wrong somewhere..

regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:58 PM, G S Rajawat <gsrajawat@gmail.com> wrote:

 
>Daer All
>here are the few tips that i hope few of our friends  dont know at all....
>To know the salary , EPF,,,Incometax details of the cell you may send short
>message for the same on 52766
>
>
>example
>sal  and send it to 52766   to know salary details
>epf and send it to 52766 to know EPF details
>itax and send it to 52766 to know Income tax Details.
>
>
>--
>
>Regards:-
>G S Rajawat
>Group Moderator
>B S N L  Newai
>Tonk, Raj. (India)
>9166090080
>gsrajawat@gmail.com
>
>


--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!! 
   
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD,   DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!! 
   
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD,   DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

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2a. Constipation: Health Tip of the Day!
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:46 am ((PDT))

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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________________________________________________________________________
3. See something positive in every person and in every situation
Posted by: "Yasin Sindhi" ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in ygsindhi_mln
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:38 am ((PDT))

See something positive in every person and in every situation

Andrew Carnegie came to America from Scotland as a young boy. He started out by
doing odd jobs and ended up as one of the largest steel manufacturers in United
States.


At one time, he had 43 millionaires working for him. A million dollars is a lot
of money today, but in the 1920s it was worth much more.


Someone once asked Mr. Carnegie how he dealt with people. Andrew Carnegie
replied, "Dealing with people is a lot like digging for gold: When you go
digging for an ounce of gold you have to move tons of dirt. But when you go
digging, you don't go looking for the dirt, you go looking for the gold."


Andrew Carnegie's reply has a very important message. Though sometimes it may
not be apparent there is something positive in every person and every situation.
We have to dig deep to look for the positive. 

 
Regards,
Er.Yasin Sindhi
BSC-WLL, PALANPUR (N.G.)
M: +919429361555


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4a. LTC fo Andman Nicobar
Posted by: "Jayanshu pandya" jayanshupandya@yahoo.co.in jayanshupandya
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:58 am ((PDT))

Dear friend,
I am planning to go to Andman Nicobar. I want ruling for LTC reimbursement for air travel from chennai to A&N.
If i travel from Mumbai to A&N by air then compensatory 3rd AC train fare from mumbai to chennai will paid by Deptt. or not.
If anybody has avail LTC to A&N please give me ruling.
 
Jayanshu Pandya
TTA WLL
Banswara (Raj.)

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4b. Re: LTC fo Andman Nicobar
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:43 pm ((PDT))

yes u will get it,

pls check and search previous messages in yahoo group.

bandhan

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Jayanshu pandya <jayanshupandya@yahoo.co.in
> wrote:

>
>
> Dear friend,
> I am planning to go to Andman Nicobar. I want ruling for LTC reimbursement
> for air travel from chennai to A&N.
> If i travel from Mumbai to A&N by air then compensatory 3rd AC train fare
> from mumbai to chennai will paid by Deptt. or not.
> If anybody has avail LTC to A&N please give me ruling.
>
> Jayanshu Pandya
> TTA WLL
> Banswara (Raj.)
>
>
>

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


Messages in this topic (2)
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________________________________________________________________________
5a. Re: INCENTIVES FOR AMIE/GRAD IETE IN BSNL/CENTRAL GOVT.
Posted by: "Manoj" borah_manoj@yahoo.co.in borah_manoj
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:43 pm ((PDT))

If anybody have any format/form for applying incentive after acquiring engineering degree, than plz forward it....

Manoj Borah, TTA
Assam Circle


--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, shashi bhushan <shashi_bhushan999@...> wrote:
>
> Lots of TTA in Ludhiana SSA are completed AMIE with Department permission
> and Received incentive Rs. 8000.00 for the same
>  shashi bhushan
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: AMIT SAHU <amit_bsnlfkbd@...>
> To: TTA BSNL <ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, 20 September, 2010 4:40:25 PM
> Subject: TTABSNL INCENTIVES FOR AMIE/GRAD IETE IN BSNL/CENTRAL GOVT.
>
>  
> HI FRIENDS,
>                    CAN ANY BODY TELL ME THAT IF ANY TTA HAVE COMPLETED HIS
> AMIE/IETE DEGREE WITH PEMISSION OF DEPT. ANY INCETIVES LIKE EXTRA INCERMENT IS
> PROVIDED OR NOT .
>                    IF ANY INCENTIVE PROVIDED IN ANY GOVT DEPARTMENT THAN PL MAIL
> ME OR CONTACT ME-
>
>
>
>                                                             AMIT KUMAR
> SAHU-TTA(BSC-ERICSSON)
>                                                             MOBILE NO-9415333366
>


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Friday, October 29, 2010

TTABSNL Digest Number 1938

There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: regarding ltc ruling
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

2a. Re: reasons of our miseries
From: shailendra saraswat

3a. BSNL slashes 3G tariff, Unlimited 3G at Rs.700/month. Pls Read for D
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
3b. (no subject)
From: ramniwas mehta

4a. Re: VMC and Teracom Modem Wireless Network Settings: STEP by STEP pr
From: Narendra

5. HRMS at mobile
From: G S Rajawat

6a. Re: Mutual transfer from Gujarat (Himatnagar) To Southern Rajasthan.
From: latha niranjan

7. Regarding improvement of Processing efficeincy of OCBTAX
From: jai gupta


Messages
________________________________________________________________________
1a. Re: regarding ltc ruling
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:28 am ((PDT))

Dear OM Parkash and other Friends,

pls search the Yahoo Group Messages for any past letters/rulings before
posting any query message for the whole group.
you will find that its already been answered by someone somewhere in the
group.

pls see the below msg for LTC with Air Entitlement.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TTABSNL/message/13584

regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:39 PM, om prakash <op_cse@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> please give me detail ruling of availing ltc by air weather i entitled or
> not by air in that case where train journey is not availabe for example if
> i want to go port blair from kolkata i am eligible by air or ship by bsnl
> ltc nonexecutive ruling please tell me if any person knows about it
>
> ***regards *
>
> OM PRAKASH
>
> EWSD,INDIRANAGAR
> LUCKNOW U.P.
> Mob: 09450584008
>
>
>

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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________________________________________________________________________
2a. Re: reasons of our miseries
Posted by: "shailendra saraswat" shailendrasaraswat@yahoo.co.in shailendrasaraswat
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:56 pm ((PDT))

senors! this is the situation of gone with the wind so think over it ??????

________________________________
From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 22 October, 2010 1:09:06 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries


deepak Ji
As i given my views before Goa aic and was expecting some healthy discussion
and concrete solution for funding to SNATTA. but unfortunately i was not able to
come to goa because of ayodhya issue. the result of goa aic was also not as
expected, there was no discussion about union vs association, funding procedure
for snatta, role of snatta in forthcoming verfication, further struggle for 7
year to 5year in jto lice and even though next conference venue is also
undecided. As for as support is concerned we are supporting bsnleu since last 4
year physically, morally and financially but we got adverse results (poor wage
revision, discrimination in NEPP, JTO lice and designation change is still
awaited though we have written agreement with bsnleu perhaps u remember). So i
think we don't have a single point to support bsnleu & i feel winability factor
must not be a criteria to support any union but to support those union which
work for us and at least do something for betterment for TTAs not adverse as
bsnleu did. As for as nfte is concerned, we opposed nfte in the last
verification then how we can expect something from them though they are talking
for ttas because of voting constraints.
lalit singh
cs upe
--- On Tue, 19/10/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com> wrote:


>From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 18:42
>
>
>
>
>
>dear lalit ji
>it is good to hear u. but please give a road map of the struggle and discuss
>the consequences of this.
>at this time u know NFTE has nearly 48% membership but how helpless Mr C Singh
>(GS) is in doing any thing in our favour? Suppose we support BSNLEU in next
>verification and it looses the election then why Mr C Singh will raise our
>demands? and what will be our status from division to national level? your ideas
>r idealistic one but practically it is not going to do any good to us. actually
>the time requires some special efforts with force and brain.
>
>
>regards
>deepak kumar
>9431610399
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk>
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:39:23 PM
>Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
>
>
>Deepak Ji
> In my view we should be intact as a group in SNATTA and should continue with
>dual membership with motive of gathering important and key posts of all the
>unions at all levels.
> But i completely disagree with u because of the following reasons
>1. If we join diff. union our integrity will be lie with them respectively and
>after that we will always speak their language in accordance of our like or
>dislike, work for strengthening those unions because of a responsible office
>bearer and will attack on mistakes/ lapses/their strategic decisions (like
>differentiation in NEPP for absorbed and DR employees or same scale to Sr.TOA &
>TTA)
>2.U r saying for dual membership but u know better that because of dual
>membership a huge amount of fund gone waste as these pity unions r not doing any
>thing for TTAs (as u also mentioned). This dual membership may be said correct
>for those office bearer of other union as a extra cost for their post but why
>tta should waste their hard earned money on the luxury of those duffer unionist
>who r not doing anything for the employees.(Saying duffer because u may feel
>shocked after listening that after continuous wining struggle of these unionist
>a lot of employees are retiring from those post where they were recruited). U
>know better that SNATTA is also facing fund shortage and what ever fund we are
>donating in 02 year to these unions we are not able to collect that amount from
>the beginning f the SNATTA.
> So in conclusion i can say that if we r interested to fight against the
>injustice against TTAs we have to come forward as a union under a single
>umbrella with single membership by which these union will not be able say that
>how much no of ttas are in favour of them and unitedly we will stand
>financially, physically and morally and then can make a pact with these unions,
>create pressure by asking at least leadership not membership in union
>activities.
>Thanks
>Lalit singh
>CS UP(E)
>
>--- On Tue, 28/9/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
>>Cc: snattachq@gmail.com
>>Date: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 9:14
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear friends
>>
>>
>>As we r going to gather at Goa for national conference, here i am posting some
>>food for thoughts. Looking at the schedule of the program, it will be very
>>compact one with very less time to speak. So i am giving some thoughts here.
>>
>>
>>The TTA cadre in BSNL is suffering since long due to various reasons either
>>absorbed or direct recruited. Initially there was cadre union in BSNL and
>>BTTU(Bharat Tlecom Technician Union) was representing the cases of Technicians,
>>PIs, RSAs etc pre-restructured cadres. After formation of BSNL, one recognised
>> union policy was adopted. Now other cadres mainly Sr TOAs and TMs were large
>>in numbers while TTAs were very few. The leadership of almost all the union was
>>in the hands of Sr TOAs, but TMs was the main vote bank due to its numbers and
>>TTAs sidelined due to their less numbers. As per my knowledge and understandings
>>the absorbed TTAs joined BSNL Workers Rashtriya Union, which had TMs associated
>>with it, but it too limited to few circles(UP etc). The three major unions ie
>>BSNLEU, NFTE, FNTO was not bothered about TTAs as there is nil or very few TTAs
>>in its district, circle or national bodies.
>>
>>
>>TTAs suffered due to this set up in 2002 when management was ready to give 5500
>>scale in place of 4500 as done in other profit making PSUs. Then ruling party,
>>NFTE, demanded same hike for Sr TOAs , giving reasons that Sr TOAS r more
>>qualified (BA, BSc) then TTAs(Diploma). And it forced management to keep it at
>>only 5000.
>>
>>
>>After the formation of SNATTA the bold face of TTA was shown to all. The party
>>supported by us get majority in all the elections afterwards. It created unrest
>>in the loosing party, but ruling party is taking it casually. Again the reason
>>is same. We r group of hard working people,. We r of the importance only in the
>>election times. They just need our votes to get majority and after that they
>>will care only for Sr TOAs and TMs.
>>Neither union can do any thing against Sr TOA or TM, WHY? Because all the unions
>>has these cadres in key posts and they will not let anyone to harm these cadres
>>interest.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>SOLUTION-
>> On this platform and others there r many call
>>to dissociate ourselves from all unions and form our separate union. But i
>>disagree. In my view we should be intact as a group in SNATTA and should
>>continue with dual membership with motive of gathering important and key posts
>>of all the unions at all levels.
>>
>>
>>Looking for a healthy debate at Goa and group.
>>
>>
>>Deepak Kumar
>>9431610399
>>
>
>

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3a. BSNL slashes 3G tariff, Unlimited 3G at Rs.700/month. Pls Read for D
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:57 pm ((PDT))

*BSNL slashes 3G tariff, Unlimited 3G at Rs.700/month.*

*BSNL* has yet again announced tariff reduction for 3G users. Yes, you read
it right, BSNL has further reduced the Unlimited 3G charges by almost 50%. *The
effective cost of using unlimited BSNL 3G will be Rs. 700/month* (Rs. 4,200
for 6 months) from 1st November 2010*. There is no fair usage policy
applicable on this scheme so you can download/upload as much as you want. In
addition to the reduction in monthly rental, *BSNL has also reduced the
price of its Data Card to 2000 Rs..*

*All new 3G registrations shall be entitled for one week unlimited data
download in addition to the existing freebies offered with new activation. *The
promotional unlimited data download facility will commence from the date of
activation of 3G plan and after 7 days normal freebies of 200 MB will be
credited to the account of the prepaid customer. This facility is applicable
to both prepaid and postpaid new connections. This offer of unlimited
download for a week will remain open for a promotional period of 90 days
from the date of implementation.

*Tariff for unlimited data plans: *


Amount in Rs.

(Incl. of S. Tax @10.3%)

Validity in case of Prepaid

No of months advance

FMC in case of

Postpaid

Rs. 2000

60 Days

2 Months

Rs. 2500

90 Days

3 Months

Rs. 4200

180 Days

6 Months


In case of 3G prepaid service, the amount mentioned above will be charged
through RCVs and in case of 3G postpaid service the amount will be recovered
as advance Fixed Monthly Charges (FMC).

*This offer will remain valid for a promotional period of 90 days from the
date of implementation.*


*Limited period Data Card offer: *


Name of the

Vendor (Type)

Make/

Model

Data

Speed

Frequency

Band

Existing MRP

(Rs.)

(Incl. of all taxes

Promotional Offer

Price (Rs.)

(Incl. of all taxes)

M/s. TERACOM

LTD

(USB Type)

Linktop /

LW272

3.6 MBPS

Single

Band

2500

*2000*

Linktop /

LW273

7.2 MBPS

Tri Band

3000

*2500*

*The above promotional scheme for data card will continue till further order
and the above tariff will be implemented with effect from 01.11.2010.*

*These are rock bottom prices for unlimited 3G in India. This tariff
reduction is bang on target and will surely give Private Telecos like DoCoMo
& Airtel tough time, who are on the verge of launching their 3G services in
India. BSNL has step up to the occasion and has made sure that the private
providers will have to do something out of the box to attract customers.
This is not going to be easy for private players after paying a huge amount
of money to acquire licenses and the fact that no provider has license to
operate in every circle, makes it even tough to establish themselves as a
key 3G provider in India. Every 3G provider will have to make tie-ups for
providing services on roaming which will again increase the cost. It will be
interesting to see how private providers react to this brutal blow from
BSNL.*

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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3b. (no subject)
Posted by: "ramniwas mehta" ramniwas_mht@yahoo.co.in ramniwas_mht
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:26 pm ((PDT))

dear friends,
                      Any one belongs to NE-Circle (SHILONG). pl .send the name and address of mobile.no- 9402268941.

ramniwas mehta
tta jhalawar


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________________________________________________________________________
4a. Re: VMC and Teracom Modem Wireless Network Settings: STEP by STEP pr
Posted by: "Narendra" nksahai@yahoo.com nksahai
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:57 pm ((PDT))

Dear bandan,
Nothing change in VMC type Broadband modem only mac filter is disable it working fine for wireless setting.
Narendra Sahai
TTA broadband Jhansi

--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, "Bandhan.P.Singh" <email13@...> wrote:
>
> hi sunnam reddy,
>
> open modem interface,
>
> click configuration then click wireless network.
>
> First of all go to basic settings and Enable Wireless network..
>
> select Channel selection as manual, select channel as 10 or 11.
>
> Select Security Option: as WiFi Protected Access,
> Select Encryption Protocol: TKIP protocol AES-CCMP protocol
> Select Authentication Method PSK (Pre Shared Key) EAP
>
> WPA Pass Phrase: bsnlnet123 (or whatever u wish but more
> than 8 characters without space)
>
> then click below on confirm
>
> Then Go to MAC ADDRESS FILTER link lying at the top row and select DISABLE
> instead of WHITE LIST and press APPLY.
> reboot ur modem and then try to use wifi with security as *bsnlnet123
>
> regards,
> Bandhan Preet Singh
>
> *
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:52 AM, sunnam k <seenu2bsnl@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > my modem model is vmc AN102021 which was supplied by iti people and it has
> > 4lan ports usbport and wifi port
> >
> > and my laptop model is inspiron 6400
> >
> > anything else
> > thanks in advance bandhan ji
> >
> >
> > -- kumar.s.reddy
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> regards,
>
> Bandhan Preet Singh,
> Broadband Engineer (TTA),
> BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
>
> Think Different...Think Good..!!
>
> "THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
>

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________________________________________________________________________
5. HRMS at mobile
Posted by: "G S Rajawat" gsrajawat@gmail.com gcsrajawat
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:33 am ((PDT))

Daer All
here are the few tips that i hope few of our friends dont know at all....
To know the salary , EPF,,,Incometax details of the cell you may send short
message for the same on 52766

example
sal and send it to 52766 to know salary details
epf and send it to 52766 to know EPF details
itax and send it to 52766 to know Income tax Details.


--

Regards:-
G S Rajawat
Group Moderator
B S N L Newai
Tonk, Raj. (India)
9166090080
gsrajawat@gmail.com


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________________________________________________________________________
6a. Re: Mutual transfer from Gujarat (Himatnagar) To Southern Rajasthan.
Posted by: "latha niranjan" lathaniranjan@yahoo.co.in lathaniranjan
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:35 am ((PDT))


________________________________
From: Manish Tripathi <ttamscbasni@gmail.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 26 October, 2010 7:30:11 PM
Subject: TTABSNL Mutual transfer from Gujarat (Himatnagar) To Southern
Rajasthan.

 
Hi,
Myself Manish Tripathi(TTAi).If anybody interested to transfer from UP East to
Rajasthan, mail me on ttamscbasni@gmail.com.

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________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
7. Regarding improvement of Processing efficeincy of OCBTAX
Posted by: "jai gupta" jpguptabsnl@yahoo.co.in jpguptabsnl
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:02 am ((PDT))

cal anybody tell about what is the procedure to improve the processing efficeincy of OCBTAX
J.P. Gupta
OCBTAX Bharatpur (Raj)
09414490153

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Thursday, October 28, 2010

TTABSNL Digest Number 1937

There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. BSNL Broadband Now On PCOs
From: sonu gill

2a. Re: loyal sim is not applicable for bsnl retired persons and bsnl co
From: Santosh J. Devadiga

3a. Re: ABOUT LICE
From: sushil choudhary

4a. Re: kind attention mr. Manish Tripathi.
From: harish juneja

5. BSNL, Airtel most searched online for 3G
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

6. BSNL offers free SIM with landline connection
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

7. VMC and Teracom Modem Wireless Network Settings: STEP by STEP proced
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

8. Special fruit- Dates: Health Tip of the Day!
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

9. home unlimited plan launched in A.P.circle.Here are the tariff and f
From: laxman kumar

10. regarding ltc ruling
From: om prakash


Messages
________________________________________________________________________
1. BSNL Broadband Now On PCOs
Posted by: "sonu gill" sonumehna@yahoo.co.in sonumehna
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:19 am ((PDT))


In attempt to provide Broadband Internet connectivity over the PCO lines, Bharat Sanchar Nigam Ltd , today announced the launch of two new Broadband plan specially tailored for its PCO holders.
BSNL's PCO Broadband plan comes at monthly rental of Rs. 400 and Rs. 1000 provides 4 GB and 10 GB Data downloads along with High Speed Broadband connectivity at 512 Kbps to 2 Mbps. Both Plan will be available only on Existing or prospective BSNL PCO lines/holder from 01.11.2010 for 90 days on promotional basis.
It is significant to say that earlier Broadband facility was not provided over PCO lines. BSNL provide always ON, faster Connection with dedicated bandwidth of minimum guaranteed 512 Kbps on its ADSL2+ technology. With the Triple Play BSNL Broadband, subscriber can talk on phone and surf Internet or play on-line game at the same time.
BSNL PCO Broadband Plans in Details-:

$@wt@nt@rpal

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________________________________________________________________________
2a. Re: loyal sim is not applicable for bsnl retired persons and bsnl co
Posted by: "Santosh J. Devadiga" sjd_4u@yahoo.com sjd_4u
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:20 am ((PDT))

can anyone tell if the no. can be converted to lifetime and still continue with
unlimited calls facility.


regards
Santosh J. Devadiga.


________________________________
From: G S Rajawat <gsrajawat@gmail.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 23 October, 2010 12:16:46 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL loyal sim is not applicable for bsnl retired persons and
bsnl conssesional telephones ? [1 Attachment]


[Attachment(s) from G S Rajawat included below]
Dear
here is the letter of clarification from the corporate office regarding the Home
unlimited plan ,,,i hope you found it useful......

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Gaurav Singh <gks_bsnl@yahoo.co.in> wrote:


>Friends,
> 1 sim card (loyal sim),is distributed by bsnl to their land lines
>customers.in our ssa ao cmts is approching that this sim is not for bsnl retired
>persons nor bsnl conssessional telephone subs(as we use at our residence
>telephones) .pls send your ssa view on this topic.
> Gaurav
> Kumar Singh
>
> Azamgarh
>
>


--

Regards:-
G S Rajawat
B S N L Newai
Tonk, Raj. (India)
9166090080
gsrajawat@gmail.com

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________________________________________________________________________
3a. Re: ABOUT LICE
Posted by: "sushil choudhary" lakshya2001@gmail.com lucky_nagaur
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:20 am ((PDT))

dear,
As per CS, Rajasthan,CAT allowed a last two weeks time to BSNL mgt for
reply. Hence the date is postponed for two weeks.

Thanks

Sushil Choudhary
TTA, Nagaur
Raj
9413394233


On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:11 AM, neeta <nitinm23@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

>
>
> CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED IN COURT ON 26 OCT 2010 FOR JTO LICE
>
>
>

--
With warm regards,
From,

Sushil Choudhary
OCB-TAX, BSNL
Nagaur. 341001
Rajasthan.
09413394233


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________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
4a. Re: kind attention mr. Manish Tripathi.
Posted by: "harish juneja" hcjuneja@yahoo.co.in hcjuneja
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:20 am ((PDT))

hello dear,
do u want to come Punjab(Ludhiana). if then contact me.
Harish C. Juneja
09417201122
Ludhiana(Punjab)

HC

--- On Tue, 26/10/10, Manish Tripathi <ttamscbasni@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Manish Tripathi <ttamscbasni@gmail.com>
Subject: TTABSNL Mutual transfer from Gujarat (Himatnagar) To Southern Rajasthan.
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010, 6:00 PM


 

Hi,
Myself Manish Tripathi(TTAi).If anybody interested to transfer from UP East to Rajasthan, mail me on ttamscbasni@gmail.com.


Messages in this topic (3)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
5. BSNL, Airtel most searched online for 3G
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:22 am ((PDT))

*BSNL, Airtel most searched online for 3G*

With private operators gearing up to launch 3G services,* online searches
for 'wireless broadband' have doubled over the past three months*; whereas
BSNL and Airtel 3G are the most searched service providers for 3G services
searched by people browsing the net, according to Experian Hitwise.

Navin Chandani, managing director, Experian Marketing, said, "Over 5,300
different variations of the word 3G (example 3G services, 3G handsets, 3G
mobiles etc) are being searched by Indians on the internet, which translates
to the fact that *3G is on the minds of a lot of people*."

*He further stated, "BSNL is the most sought after 3G service provider,
followed by Airtel, MTNL and Tata Docomo."*

Experian Hitwise is a keyword research tool for analysing the long tail of
search data. It provides insights on how people have successfully searched
for products and services online across all major search engines. The data
that Experian Hitwise studies does not include mobile internet searches.

The company tracks 25 million internet users globally. However, in India it
is dependent on panel data for reporting internet activity. Although
Chandani refused to divulge the exact panel size he assures, "statistically
and analytically the panel size and composition is a fair representation of
the entire Indian consumer population on the internet."

A recent report by the company revealed that Nokia is the most searched
mobile handset manufacturer in India, followed by Samsung. Eight of the ten
most searched mobile phone models in India are manufactured by Nokia, with
the company's 5233 model claiming the top spot. Samsung, with its Corby and
Champ, was the only other manufacturer to have made it to the list.

Interestingly, Micromax took over Apple iPhone to become the third most
searched mobile handset manufacturer in India.

Chandani opines, "There may be several factors working in the favour of
Micromax. However, I believe that the offline marketing and branding
campaigns undertaken by Micromax appear to be working in its favour. Its
positioning as an economic and feature rich mobile brand is helping it
overtake the iPhone, which is yet an expensive proposition for a majority of
the population."

He believes that it may be difficult for iPhone to recover considering that
the Indian mobile market is price sensitive.

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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________________________________________________________________________
6. BSNL offers free SIM with landline connection
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:22 am ((PDT))

*BSNL offers free SIM with landline connection*
MUMBAI: To arrest the fast depleting user base of its landline services, the
state-run telecom major BSNL today announced a free mobile SIM with its
wired connection.

Announcing the scheme named *'Pyari Jodi'* here, Union Minister of State for
Communications & IT Sachin Pilot said to begin with, the scheme will be
rolled out in Mumbai and then to rest of Maharashtra and Goa.

The scheme is aimed at using the telco's large landline customer database to
boost its mobile business, which has of late lost steam.

This innovative scheme will enable all BSNL landline subscribers in
Maharashtra and Goa to get a free mobile SIM card. It is not the connection
that will be free, but even the calls to BSNL wired line service will be
free.

"All calls from this free SIM to the landline on which it is offered will be
free," Pilot said.

This move will benefit BSNL's 26 lakh-odd landline subscribers in the state.
Pilot said extension of this scheme to other circles will depend on its
performance in Maharashtra.


--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
7. VMC and Teracom Modem Wireless Network Settings: STEP by STEP proced
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

hi sunnam reddy,

open modem interface,

click configuration then click wireless network.

First of all go to basic settings and Enable Wireless network..

select Channel selection as manual, select channel as 10 or 11.

Select Security Option: as WiFi Protected Access,
Select Encryption Protocol: TKIP protocol AES-CCMP protocol
Select Authentication Method PSK (Pre Shared Key) EAP

WPA Pass Phrase: bsnlnet123 (or whatever u wish but more
than 8 characters without space)

then click below on confirm

Then Go to MAC ADDRESS FILTER link lying at the top row and select DISABLE
instead of WHITE LIST and press APPLY.
reboot ur modem and then try to use wifi with security as *bsnlnet123

regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh

*
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:52 AM, sunnam k <seenu2bsnl@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> my modem model is vmc AN102021 which was supplied by iti people and it has
> 4lan ports usbport and wifi port
>
> and my laptop model is inspiron 6400
>
> anything else
> thanks in advance bandhan ji
>
>
> -- kumar.s.reddy
>
>


--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
8. Special fruit- Dates: Health Tip of the Day!
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:25 am ((PDT))

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
9. home unlimited plan launched in A.P.circle.Here are the tariff and f
Posted by: "laxman kumar" blaxman_76@yahoo.com blaxman_76
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:40 am ((PDT))


BHARAT SANCHAR NIGAM LIMITED
(A Govt. of India Enterprise)
Office of CGMT, AP Circle, Door Sanchar Bhavan, Hyderabad.
Lr.NO:TA/SM-CM/2-1/10-11/23 dated 26-10-2010.
To
The PGM HTD,
All SSA Heads in AP Circle.
Sub: Launching of "Home Unlimited Plan" under "General 1ps/sec" with unlimited
free call facility to one BSNL Home land line number – reg.
Ref: CO ND Circular T&C-CM No. 71/10-11 dated. 01-10-2010.
@@@@
With reference to the corporate office letter cited above, the approval of competent
authority is here by conveyed for launching of Home unlimited plan (General 1ps/sec
plan with Unlimited call to Home landline feature) in AP Circle with effect from 27.10.2010,
the details of the Plan is mentioned below:
Home Unlimited General (1ps/sec) Plan under 2G Prepaid Mobile Services:-
SN Particulars Details
1 MRP of SIM and Activation in Rs, (Incl. of ST) Free
2 Free Talk value with SIM in Rs. NIL
3 MRP of First Recharge Coupons in Rs. (Incl. of ST) 34
4 Talk Value with FRC in Rs. 15
5 Validity in days 180
6 Call Charges in Paise / Sec from home LSA
A. Local (Intra Circle)
On-Net 1p/sec
Off-Net 1.2p/sec
Local Call charges to One BSNL Fixed number in
his/her Own name
Free
Reduced call charges on two BSNL number N/A
B. STD Calls (Intra Circle)
On-Net 1p/sec
Off-Net 1.2p/sec
Reduced call charges to One BSNL number N/A
7 Call Charges while Roaming As per General"1p/sec" plan
8 Extension of validity of this plan beyond 180days Thru' normal RC vouchers
9 All other terms and conditions As per General"1p/sec" plan
1) The Home Unlimited plan is applicable only to New Mobile connections.
2) The above Plan is to be offered through BSNL CSCs / BSNL Road shows
only to existing Landline customers.
3) This plan should not be offered through franchisees/other channels.
4) The customer may be asked to produce recent paid bill of Landline
number and also to verify the genuineness of the customer.
5) The FRC-34 is to be loaded immediately after data entry in the
Sancharsoft. After loading FRC-34, the Free LL number should be
configured in CCM portal.
6) Free LL/WLL number should be configured through CCM portal only
(under submenu "prepaid services" "Free LL for Home unlimited" then
enter new mobile number, STD code & LL/WLL number).
7) 2G Basic SIM should be given free of cost. If customer insists for 3G SIM,
it may be sold at normal rate of Rs.59/-.
8) Home Unlimited Plan can be issued for Service Landline connections also.
The details of the "Home Unlimited Plan" may be sent to all Landline
Customers along with the Telephone Bills. Other marketing campaigns through
Print/OD media may be taken up for popularization of the plan.
DGM (S & M) CM,
O/o CGM Telecom, AP Circle,
HYDERABAD-500 001.
Copy to: All GMs in Circle Office & Consumer Mobility for info pls.
DGM (IN-EGD)/(NWO-3)CM/DGM(V&M)CM AP circle.
Circle Office : BSNL, % CGMT, A.P. Telecom. Circle, Nampally Station Road, Abids, Hyd.
Corporate Office : Bharat Sanchar Bhawan, Harish Chandra Mathur Lane, Janpath, New Delhi-110001
 
regards
B.Laxman Kumar
TTA NIB
Guntur A.P.
9441205600

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________________________________________________________________________
10. regarding ltc ruling
Posted by: "om prakash" op_cse@yahoo.com op_cse
Date: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:12 am ((PDT))

please give me detail ruling of availing ltc by air weather i entitled or not by
air in that case where train journey is not  availabe for example if i want to
go port blair from kolkata i am eligible by air or ship by bsnl ltc nonexecutive
ruling please tell me if any person knows about it

 
regards 

OM PRAKASH

EWSD,INDIRANAGAR

LUCKNOW U.P.

Mob: 09450584008

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010

TTABSNL Digest Number 1936

There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Mutual transfer from Gujarat (Himatnagar) To Southern Rajasthan.
From: Manish Tripathi

2a. evdo support on MAC OS
From: pankaj
2b. Re: evdo support on MAC OS
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

3a. Re: regarding Home Unlimited Plan
From: sanjeev kathuria

4. BSNL network can collapse at anytime
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

5a. Re: reasons of our miseries
From: nilesh_bsnl

6a. ABOUT LICE
From: neeta
6b. Re: ABOUT LICE
From: Sumit Sharma

7a. Re: BB
From: ajit singh

8. Think before you go for protests next time
From: vineeth adolph


Messages
________________________________________________________________________
1a. Mutual transfer from Gujarat (Himatnagar) To Southern Rajasthan.
Posted by: "Manish Tripathi" ttamscbasni@gmail.com manish212355
Date: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:15 am ((PDT))

Hi,
Myself Manish Tripathi(TTAi).If anybody interested to transfer from UP East
to Rajasthan, mail me on ttamscbasni@gmail.com.


Messages in this topic (2)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
2a. evdo support on MAC OS
Posted by: "pankaj" kumarpankaj_2k3@yahoo.co.in kumarpankaj_2k3
Date: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:52 am ((PDT))

Hi everybody,

Can any one tell me our EVDO supports Apple MAC OS ?
Which BSNL product supports MAC OS ?


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2b. Re: evdo support on MAC OS
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:13 am ((PDT))

dear pankaj,

yes our EVDO supports MAC OS, its already uploaded to the group.
pls see the below message for details
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TTABSNL/message/13225

regards,
bandhan preet singh

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 7:50 PM, pankaj <kumarpankaj_2k3@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Can any one tell me our EVDO supports Apple MAC OS ?
> Which BSNL product supports MAC OS ?
>
>
>

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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3a. Re: regarding Home Unlimited Plan
Posted by: "sanjeev kathuria" sanjeev_kathuria05@yahoo.com sanjeev_kathuria05
Date: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:25 am ((PDT))

Dear chandandeep

The new sim under the home unlimited scheme will be available to only those customers who are already having BSNL landline telephone...i.e. subs have to submit their latest bill copy as an identity proof along with other identification documents...new sim will be activated with the scheme of unlimited free call to the landline number against whom the sim is alotted...i think this might have clear your doubt

Regards 

  SANJEEV KATHURIA     

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, chandandeep singh <chand_tiet@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: chandandeep singh <chand_tiet@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: TTABSNL regarding Home Unlimited Plan
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 5:34 PM

 





Hello friends
 Recently in punjab circle BSNL has launched a Special Mobile scheme "Home Unlimited Plan" with unlimited free call facility to one BSNL home landline number .Anybody from a  punjab circle ,do reply  mea  procedure how to make landline number free from a mobile number.






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4. BSNL network can collapse at anytime
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:13 am ((PDT))

*BSNL network can collapse at anytime*

Overloaded MPLS network, on which, *data traffic of many mission-critical
applications of the country runs, can collapse at anytime*. This collapse of
network will hit badly the broadband services of BSNL, mobile broadband
being delivered through 3G network of BSNL and MPLS-VPN network or leased
circuit line.

*This breakdown of BSNL Network will put off various government services and
major part of defense communication network*. There are more than 20,000
enterprise customers that rely on MPLS-VPN service offered by BSNL to run
their mission-critical applications. This includes mostly banking and
financial institutions and organization such as top nationalized banks, oil
and gas companies as also companies of other sectors.

As a result, banking operations such as transactions through ATM and core
banking processes, transactions on petrol pumps and many other services
crucial for day-to-day life of people and businesses across the country can
come to a halt.

*CIOL has learnt from some reliable sources that BSNL�s MPLS network has
noticed traffic load of up to 80 per cent on the network in its peak hour on
its core network whereas IP technology does not permit such high overload,
due to IP packet collisions at such higher loading. Typical loading should
not exceed more than 50 per cent of its rated capacity.
*
�Data travels on IP network in form packets. In layman terms, the situation
of core network is like over-load traffic on road. If there is heavy
traffic, the speed of vehicles slows down. In case there are accidents in
this traffic, all the vehicles stop. Similarly, there are too many data
packet collisions in BSNL�s core MPLS network at such higher loading.
*Therefore
data speed on BSNL network on many occasions becomes very slow adversely
affecting broadband Internet,� said a BSNL official who did not want to be
named.*

*The BSNL�s rated network capacity to handle traffic load of more than 300
Gigabit is very much underutilized due to wrong planning and inconsistent
procurement policies, claimed the official. *BSNL�s MPLS core network has
about 200 node equipment throughout the country, which comprises core, edge
and access networks connecting users in various telecom circles and
associated district head quarters of the country.

These 200 MPLS node equipment, using about 400 long distance media links,
are getting connected to each other. With this arrangement of what is called
as mesh connection, technology should provide transfer of traffic load from
one to other incessant flow of data packets.

But, with such high overloading of BSNL�s MPLS network on some paths,
coupled with frequent breakdowns due to OFC cut and failure of some node
equipment in its long distance network, the situation is becoming worse.

�We have high capacity optical fibre cables everywhere, but we don�t have
the capacity in node equipment to connect efficiently with each other
because of irregular procurement process of critical MPLS equipment,� said
the official.

The links that are frequently getting overloaded and at high risk are
Indore-Mumbai, Ahmedabad-Mumbai, Lucknow-Indore-Mumbai,
Lucknow-Nagpur-Mumbai, New Delhi-Mumbai, Jaipur-Mumbai, New Delhi-Bangalore,
New Delhi-Chennai and Jalandhar National Internet backbone.

*The expansion plan of this MPLS core network was seriously upset by the
internal differences between very senior officials in BSNL Head Quarters,
claimed the official. *

According to some BSNL officials, the nodes in core MPLS network are
connected with each other through mostly Cisco equipment. These equipment
are currently underutilized to the extent of one tenth of their rated
capacity and an easy upgrade can be done by adding interface cards on these
equipment. However, as per officials information, with the interoperability
issues with these equipment, only Cisco can provide such additional
interface cards required for upgradation of this network.

*The BSNL official further alleged that taking benefit of monopoly due to
interoperability issues, Cisco vendors are quoting high prices for such
interface cards comparable to the equipment itself.*

CIOL made attempt to reach Cisco on this non-interoperability issue but no
comments or clarification was received by the time this report went online.

�There is pressure on senior officials in southern telecom project to
finalize this tender in favour of a particular vendor,� further alleged the
official.

Contrary to this claim, another senior official of southern telecom, BSNL
who is closely involved with the tender, denied such allegations.

�The tender was canceled because the shortlisted vendors could not meet some
eligibility and technical criteria. Cisco is original equipment manufacturer
for only one of six vendors that were shortlisted. We have no issues
relating to financial bids and there are no external pressures for favoring
any particular vendor,� further said the official.

*This official also mentioned that the tender will be re-floated within a
week and with some relaxation in eligibility and technical criteria. *

�We urgently need to expand our IP MPLS network. We are going to float this
tender within this week with some relaxation in the tender norms,� said the
STP official.

*When contacted by CIOL for a clarification pertaining to this issue, BSNL
CMD Gopal Das said he did not feel that the BSNL network is overloaded. He
also added that at the moment he is not aware of the tender floated by the
department for the procurement of equipment to expand the network.*

--
regards,

*Bandhan Preet Singh,*
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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5a. Re: reasons of our miseries
Posted by: "nilesh_bsnl" nilesh_bsnl@yahoo.com nilesh_bsnl
Date: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:14 am ((PDT))

dadagiri of bsnleu--http://www.nftechq.co.in/pdf/26102010.pdf

--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, "Er. Munish Bhatheja" <getmoni2001@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> This is the time for the TTAs to form an independent identity. Each and every TTA should only be the part of SNATTA and we have to fight at our own for our rights/issues. We all should be organised at each SSA level and should fight at their own without any support from any other union. If we dare for this and can leave our family issue aside to fight for our TTA brother in trouble then we can talk to leave other unions otherwise the whole system will run as it is. We don't want to come out of home even on sundays for the cause of SNATTA and want dharnas/demonstrations also online i.e. On yahoo group only then how our issues will be sorted out? Who will fight for us ?
>
> Er. Munish Bhatheja
> mob : 09417078787
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deepak Kumar
> Sent: 22/10/2010 13:43:25
> Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
>
>
> dear lalit ji
> i had mentioned the route cause of all these things in my first mail. which is
> no tta is there in core group of any union. so our agendas can not go there by
> itself. and for this dual membership with motive of gathering important and key
> posts of all the unions at all levels is necessary.
>
> regards
> deepak kumar
> 9431610399
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@...>
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 12:39:06 AM
> Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
>
>
> deepak Ji
> As i given my views before Goa aic and was expecting some healthy discussion
> and concrete solution for funding to SNATTA. but unfortunately i was not able to
> come to goa because of ayodhya issue. the result of goa aic was also not as
> expected, there was no discussion about union vs association, funding procedure
> for snatta, role of snatta in forthcoming verfication, further struggle for 7
> year to 5year in jto lice and even though next conference venue is also
> undecided. As for as support is concerned we are supporting bsnleu since last 4
> year physically, morally and financially but we got adverse results (poor wage
> revision, discrimination in NEPP, JTO lice and designation change is still
> awaited though we have written agreement with bsnleu perhaps u remember). So i
> think we don't have a single point to support bsnleu & i feel winability factor
> must not be a criteria to support any union but to support those union which
> work for us and at least do something for betterment for TTAs not adverse as
> bsnleu did. As for as nfte is concerned, we opposed nfte in the last
> verification then how we can expect something from them though they are talking
> for ttas because of voting constraints.
> lalit singh
> cs upe
> --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@...> wrote:
>
>
> >From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@...>
> >Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
> >T
> Email truncated to 2,000 characters
> :::0:b6f7b695e47727971cc1fc4833494f8d:7d0::::
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6a. ABOUT LICE
Posted by: "neeta" nitinm23@yahoo.co.in nitinm23
Date: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:14 am ((PDT))

CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED IN COURT ON 26 OCT 2010 FOR JTO LICE


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6b. Re: ABOUT LICE
Posted by: "Sumit Sharma" sumitshama2004@yahoo.co.in sumitshama2004
Date: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:17 am ((PDT))

It is learnt that Management has demanded some more time as it was not satisfied by the reply prepared by Kerala Management. CAT has given last 2 weeks time to the management to come up with reply

Sumit Sharma
TTA Ludhiana

--- On Wed, 27/10/10, neeta <nitinm23@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: neeta <nitinm23@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: TTABSNL ABOUT LICE
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 11:11 AM

CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED IN  COURT ON  26 OCT 2010 FOR  JTO LICE

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7a. Re: BB
Posted by: "ajit singh" ajit_singhask@yahoo.com ajit_singhask
Date: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:15 am ((PDT))

hi    IF U MEAN BY PORT RESET IS TO UNBIND THE PORT , THEN IT CAN DONE BY BSNL PORTAL BY IT'S USER-IDWWW.DATA.BSNL.CO.INUR NIB/VAS SECTION CAN EASILY UNBIND THE PORT BY KNOWING IT'S USER-ID BY CDR/CLARITY
                                                                        AJIT SINGH KUSHWAH

--- On Mon, 25/10/10, Rahul Sonwane <rahul_sonwane_777@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Rahul Sonwane <rahul_sonwane_777@yahoo.com>
Subject: TTABSNL BB
To: ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 4:37 PM


 





PLZ TELL ME HOW TO RESET PORT IN CDR






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8. Think before you go for protests next time
Posted by: "vineeth adolph" vineethadolph@gmail.com vineethadolph
Date: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:15 am ((PDT))

Some Months Back The Left parties hold up a 1
week protest against the centre for the price rise, infront of our bsnl
customer care. They blocked the working of that CSC for 1 week. Now I
understand why and for whom they did that!!!!!!!!

http://expressbuzz.com/cities/thiruvananthapuram/deshabhimani-dumps-bsnl-prefers-reliance/216340.html

Deshabhimani dumps BSNL, prefers Reliance

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Pushing all big talks regarding the existence of public
sector companies �out of range�, the CPM state leadership has okayed the
entry of Reliance Communications as the communication partner of its
mouthpiece �Desabhimani�. All units of Deshabhimani were linked together
with a high-speed Reliance connection the other day, after replacing the
existing BSNL data network.

The reason: poor service and exorbitant bill charged by the BSNL. Fed up
with the continuous delay in sending advertisements and pages, the
management of Deshabhimani which comprises Central Committee member E.P.
Jayarajan and state secretariat member V. Dakshinamoorthy among others,
decided to dump the BSNL connection. Reliance was picked up as the
substitute as they offered the best bargain.

��How can we stick to the BSNL. Their service is very poor. We are fed up
with page delays. In addition, they are charging huge amount as monthly
bill,�� said E.P. Jayarajan, General Manager of Deshabhimani. According to
Jayarajan, the Deshabhimani management may rethink about taking the BSNL
connection when the services offered by the PSU becomes better.

However, top sources in the BSNL denied the allegations of Jayarajan that
their service was poor. They said the decision of Deshabhimani to dump the
BSNL was a sudden one and taken without any provocation.

It may be recalled that the CPM and the CITU had organised a series of
struggles to protect the BSNL. It had repeatedly accused the UPA Government
for purposefully weakening the BSNL and promoting private telecom operators.
But, all those arguments were forgotten by the party when it took the
crucial decision to dump BSNL.

BSNL Employees Union, the pro-CPM union in the BSNL, is upset with the
decision. ��We always tell everyone to subscribe to our service. Let it be a
government office, a private office or a newspaper. Our policy is to promote
BSNL connection,�� said K. Mohanan, secretary, BSNL Employees Union.

��But, Deshabhimani might have its own reasons to switch over. It would be
unfair if we make a comment without knowing fully the circumstances,�� he
said.

Mohanan also said that his Union would try its best to convince the CPM
about BSNL services and win back the Deshabhimani connection.
--
Vineeth Adolph
Telecom Technical Assistant
(WiMax/WLL,Alleppey)
Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
(A Govt. Of India Enterprise)


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Tuesday, October 26, 2010

TTABSNL Digest Number 1935

There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. BB
From: Rahul Sonwane

2a. Re: Payfixation Issue
From: Er. Munish Bhatheja

3. can anybody from Maharashtra tell me about 3G cities.?
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

4a. Re: loyal sim
From: Ajay Singh

5. Cervical Spondylosis: Health Tip of the Day!
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

6. Mutual transfer from Ahmedabad to surat, Bharuch valsad SSA
From: ashish patel

7. Mutual transfer from Gujarat (Himatnagar) To Southern Rajasthan.
From: Pradeep

8. SOUND OFF WHEN 3G DATA CARD INSERTS
From: Jasvant Parmar

9a. Re: BB problem
From: amitgupta.bsnl

10a. Latest News from www.SNATTA.org
From: Bandhan.P.Singh


Messages
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1. BB
Posted by: "Rahul Sonwane" rahul_sonwane_777@yahoo.com rahul_sonwane_777
Date: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:11 am ((PDT))

PLZ TELL ME HOW TO RESET PORT IN CDR


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2a. Re: Payfixation Issue
Posted by: "Er. Munish Bhatheja" getmoni2001@yahoo.com bhatheja_munish
Date: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:12 am ((PDT))

Dear, I think this is not the right time for our issues to be included in strike agenda. Also this strike has been called by joint action forum of all bsnl unions/associations and has been called for the cause of bsnl or the agenda point have been included which are common for all unions/associations but not any sole issue of any union/ association. I think this will not the right time and right platform. This will show only our selfishness and also bsnleu will not include our issues in strike agenda anyway nor joint forum will give its consent for inclusion of our association's demands.

Er. Munish Bhatheja
mob : 09417078787
-----Original Message-----
From: tahirjamadar
Sent: 25/10/2010 13:17:23
Subject: TTABSNL Payfixation Issue


Dear CHQ

I was read on BSNLEU site, that they are called strike for 3 days on 1st Dec to 3rd Dec 2010 on various issues,

Obviously BSNLEU will call us for our valuable support, My humbled request to our chq is that the issues for which they called strike, we will force to BSNLEU GS to include our issues in that list also e.g. 1) JTO exam 2) Pay fixation for on & after batch 2007 & 3) designation change issue

Out of our three major issues we know that first one is not solved in 1 month but rest of two issues will be solved

So our chq will create pressure on BSNL GS,

Regards
Tahir Jamadar
TTA-Kolhapur-NIB
9421761700


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3. can anybody from Maharashtra tell me about 3G cities.?
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:13 am ((PDT))

hi friends,
can anybody from Maharashtra tell me about 3G cities covered uptill now
there.

is the below link providing correct information
http://maharashtra.bsnl.co.in/mhschemes/3glaunch.asp

if no, then pls provide me updated info or update the website soon.

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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4a. Re: loyal sim
Posted by: "Ajay Singh" toajaysingh@yahoo.in toajaysingh
Date: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:15 am ((PDT))

hello dear,
                This free phone facility is not configured by subscriber itself in both prepaid and post paid it is software based activation when the creation is done in Home Unlimited plan in which we r required to define the landline number which last paid telephone bill in his/her own name is attached with the mobile application request form.

regards,

Ajay Singh  

--- On Mon, 25/10/10, axeem2003 <axeem2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: axeem2003 <axeem2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: TTABSNL loyal sim
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 9:20 AM

 





Hi,

Can anybody please clarify how to configure the free landline number in prepaid and postpaid loyal sim ?.




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5. Cervical Spondylosis: Health Tip of the Day!
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:16 am ((PDT))

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"


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6. Mutual transfer from Ahmedabad to surat, Bharuch valsad SSA
Posted by: "ashish patel" ashu292000@yahoo.com ashu292000
Date: Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:58 pm ((PDT))

Hi all
I am Ashish Patel working as a TTA in Ahmedabad. Any TTA from Surat, Bharuch or Valsad SSA interested in mutual transfer to Ahmedabad please contact me on this mail id or on my mobile no 9979396545.
RegardsAshish PatelTTA


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7. Mutual transfer from Gujarat (Himatnagar) To Southern Rajasthan.
Posted by: "Pradeep" pradeepdave_08@yahoo.co.in pradeepdave_08
Date: Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:59 am ((PDT))

Hi,
Myself Pradeep dave (TTA-Shamlaji).If anybody interested to transfer from Sourthern Rajasthan (Dungarpur, Banswara,Udaipur) to Himatnagar (gujarat), mail me on dave527@gmail.com.


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8. SOUND OFF WHEN 3G DATA CARD INSERTS
Posted by: "Jasvant Parmar" jasvantparmar@ymail.com jasvantparmar@ymail.com
Date: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:01 am ((PDT))

DEAR ALL
               I HAVE PROBLEM IN 3 G DATA CARD...WHENEVER CUSTOMER INSERTS 3 G DATA CARD THEN AUDIO BECOME OFF...SO HE CAN NOT PLAY SOUND WHEN 3G INSERTED...WHEREAS SOUND PLAYS WHEN OTHERS USB CARD INSERTS(EVDO/NIC)...PLZ HELP ME...


 Jasvant Parmar
TTA(Broadband)
Palanpur-Gujarat
9426655777
 


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9a. Re: BB problem
Posted by: "amitgupta.bsnl" amitgupta.bsnl@yahoo.com amitgupta.bsnl
Date: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:01 am ((PDT))

Find the userid of customer in CRM.
In data.bsnl.in portal
fill the new userid of customer in port binding option
then you will get the binded port of DSLAM
then just delete it as we used to do in old system.

--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, mamidi prabhakar <mamidi_prabhakar@...> wrote:
>
> Plz any one tell : How to reset BB portbinding in cdr system, iam not getting in
> data.bsnl.in
>

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10a. Latest News from www.SNATTA.org
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:01 am ((PDT))

*Dt 26-10-2010Since Shri DP. De, Sr. GM (Estt) is still out of Corporate
Office, BSNL and the new Sr. GM (SR) has not been appointed by BSNL,
the meeting
to resolve the issue of wage reduction due to 2nd PRC of the non executive
employees recruited on and after 1.1.2007 has not taken place. SNATTA CHQ is
in constant touch with Comrade P. Abhimanyu, General Secretary, BSNLEU on
this issue.*

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

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