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Date: Sunday, 13 September, 2009, 2:53 PM
This issue needs some clarifications. First and foremost SNATTA is trying to get the higher pay scale for TTA i.e. above 7100-200-10100. As far as fitment formula goes it is and will be applicable to the TTAs recruited before 01.01.2007 only. The Pay Revision is basically to compensate the employees for the loss in salary incurred in the previous service and not for the future service. Even in the case of JTOs only the JTOs who were selected prior to 2007 are being asked to give the fitment. Shri Vikas K. Gupta has also pointed out that the JTOs recruited after 01.01.2007 is not even talked about for fitment.
DRJTO batch of 2005 is justified in asking for fitment as they were recruited before 2007 but some of them were sent on training after or in the year 2007 for no fault of theirs. This situation is not to be the case in DRTTA. We are literate enough to understand this simple logic. The TTAs who have served for more than 7 years would obviously draw more salary than the TTA recruited recently. The difference of Rs.6000 or 7000 as shown by Shri Rajesh Kumar is not big enough if you see the full rationality behind the justification. The Annual increment+ 7% average increase in D.A will amount to nearly this much only. Now some one has said that by this formula DOT TTAs should get 3 or 4 times the salary than the DRTTA of 2002 batch. Again this shows the immaturity and lack of proper analysis of the situation. The DOT TTAs are not there for 26 years. The DOT TTAs were earlier Casual Technicians/ Technicians and were promoted to the TTA cadre in 1994-96. After 5th Pay Commission they were given scale of Rs. 5000/- (i.e.7100-200- 10100) on 01.10.2000 and we were recruited in the year 2002. Till today there is a difference of over 5000 b/w a DRTTA 2002 and DOTTTA and still it will increase after implementation of promotion policy and pay revision and as per you and also me it is justified as they have given more service (approx. 6-8 years) as TTA than you and me. The same is the case with DRTTA 2002 and (2007&8).
The fact is that you will get more salary from the one at present and there is no second thought on it. But the fitment of 30% is not possible as even the date of exam is after 01.01.2007. Yes as per Shri Vikas K Gupta Ex- Member Wage Committee, SNATTA it has been clarified that SNATTA has asked for higher pay scale for TTA and if accepted this would benefit all the TTA of 2007&8 batch only and DRTTA of 2002 batch will not get any benefit out of this as higher pay scale would be applicable from 01.01.2007 only.
Dear Rishi, Girish and Rajesh and others please make it a point that when ever you have some questions and doubts or objections, simply don't raise a finger towards SNATTA. You guys have just asked from SNATTA about its views on pay scales. Has any one of you have taken pain in reading the Recommendations on Wage by SNATTA placed on website. If yes then you should have elaborated the contents which made you think otherwise. DRTTAs like you who are very well educated and literate and an engineer too should have written with clear suggestions from your side as to how to approach the problem if it arises as is expected from a DR TTA.
I again request all the Engineers to please elaborate the contents and meaning behind your mail. Just don't vent out any frustration or misconception in few words.
Dharmendra Verma
G.S.
--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@. ..> wrote:
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> The pay anamoly that Rishi and Girish have anticipated is not altogether baseless.I think they have a very valid point and we should see that there is no discrimination with new and old TTAs.And goverment has a very little role to play in pay determination of non executives in CPSUs,it just issues a broad guidelines,a frame of rules and policies within which everything has to be finalised with mutual agreement and consent of Union and Management.Beacause ,as unionised workers we have a right to negotiate on wages and other industrial disputes ,but the executives are at the mercy of government and DPE as they are just given a chance to be heard but it is finally the report of Committee which after approval of the Govt and DPE is followed in all PSUs.But we are called for agreement
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> Reagrding the pay anamoly I would like to explain it with some examples:---
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> In Railways,entry level of JE---------- --------- -rs 5000
> after fitment of 1.86 now its ------------ --------rs 9300(5000*1. 86)+ 4200(40 % of 10500,upper limit of the scales which are merged)
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> 5000,5500,(6500- 10500) are merged after VI pay comm .
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> So,now a JE who joined before 1.1.2006(date of revision in govt dept,railways) is getting 9300+4200+da+ hra+misc and a JE who joined after 1.1.2006 is also getting same amount ie 9300+4200+da+ hra+misc .starting basic is 13500 for both.
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> Suppose a JE has reached a basic of 5800 in the scale of 5000 with annual increment of rs 200.
> then his new basic is 5800*1.86+4200= 14988.
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> We can conclude that the fitment is universal,ie equal at all levels,entry level or even after 4 or 8 years of service the fitment benefit is 1.86.
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> But in BSNL what happened to JTO pay scale?
> It was 9850 pre revised and now its proposed at 18850.(68.2 da neut and just 13 % fitment)
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> 9850*1.682*1. 3-------- -----rs 21538
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> this has resulted in a serious pay anamoly.JTO who joined bsefore 1.1.2007 is now placed at rs 21538 but a jto who joined after this date will get just 18850.the difference is almost 3000 in basic alone which is just too much.So with just single day you face a loss of 3000 in basic alone.
> So we conclude that the fitment is not equal.If the fitment is 30 % then it should be at all levels,also at entry level.
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> No one made hue and cry over this initially,even AIGETOA woke up from its sleep very becuase it feared it may lose prospective members .Recently it has riased its voice but that too for 2005 JTOs ,but what about those who have been recruited after 2007,why should they get less fitment.Any way this matter cant be solved by BSNL alone because the pay scale has been approved by DPE and applicable to all CPSUs.
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> But we are at benefit becuase our scale is yet to be finalised,the wage comm has to ensure that the fitment is universal.If its 68.2 % da neutralisation and 30 % fitment formula then the new scale of TTA should be 7100*1.682*1. 3=rs 15524 at the minimum.And its obvious that the TTA s who have served longer years would get benefit by virtue of the length of service,but the fitment would still be the same.
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> tta joined before 1.1.2007,starting basic --7100 will be revised to 15524
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> tta joined after 1.1.2007,starting basic --7100 will be revised to 15524
> if my basic is 8500 after 7 years of service then new basic--8500* 1.682*1.3= rs 18586
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> But SNATTA is trying its best to get the pay scale upgraded from 7100 to higher scales and we have given justificationsfor that,So,f it happens then the new TTA would be benefitted more then the older ones.
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> So at the minimum it should be rs 15524 to avoid any kind of anamoly.In other words the fitment formula should be applicable at all stages uniformally. .
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> Vikas Kumar Gupta
> TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,Jharkhand
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> --- On Sat, 12/9/09, CHANDAN KUMAR SAMAL chandan_bsnl@ ... wrote:
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> From: CHANDAN KUMAR SAMAL chandan_bsnl@ ...
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Saturday, 12 September, 2009, 1:41 AM
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> Pay commission sits in every 10 years. Don't you think that those who joined 20/30 years back must have seen few wage revisions also. there pay was last time revised in 1997. At that time also these things must have happened. Those who joined after 1.1. 1997 must be at a disadvantage/ Advantage than the others who were rectted earlier than 1.1.1997. That's what sandip was trying to make u understand.
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> So dear, it is the Govt that takes decisions as to who should get how much. and Govt takes decisions to be followed, not to be discussed.
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> and u know, the funniest thing is that u people have anticipated a problem and want SNATTA to speak for u. PLEASE have a little patience. who knows 2007 rectted TTAs may be at a advantagous position than 2001 rectted just like it happened in last PRC. Also have a close watch on what happens in the case of 2005 batch JTOs. If there anomoly is solved then yours will also be solved automatically. If there problem remains as it is, then forget SNATTA, even GOD can't speak for u.
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> From: rishi singh rishi12353@yahoo. com>
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 6:37:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
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> Dear sandip
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> if service period is under consideration then people who join bsnl(dot) 20 or 30 yrs back n now working in same cadre of TTA ,they sud get double or triple salary compaired to batch 2002.
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> as per govt. rule n tradition revised salary sud be uniform 4 all(cadre wise)....n thats wat arrears matters,who joined early he will got arrears..by the way why ur logic is not applicable to MT recruitment with their pay scale????
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> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Sandip Solanki sandip4net@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
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> From: Sandip Solanki sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 5:37 AM
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> Dear Girish Kumar,
> Don't be so exited. We have serve the department for last 7 years and for that we are getting the 30% fitment. You have just entered in to. The revision of scales will decide your benefit. But it will definately not at par with the recruitees before 1.1.2007 and it is ligible. The fitment is the part of service before the wage revision, that is not applicable in 2008 and 2009 batch.
> There is nothing to think of. We are trying our best for better Revised Scales. Even we have demanded that they should be revised as per the DPE guidlines. Then it will be about 16400/-. Let's see what happens.
> Don't ever try to mislead someone that there will be injustice to 2008 & 2009 batch. This is the rule.
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> Er. Sandip Solanki
> C.C., SNATTA,
> Rajkot - GUJARAT
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> --- On Thu, 10/9/09, Gireesh Kumar <gireesh.klm@ gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Gireesh Kumar <gireesh.klm@ gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Thursday, 10 September, 2009, 8:30 PM
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> In this Wage Revision there will not be any benefit for Newly Recruited TTAs, Isn't It ??
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> Who will speak for Us ????????
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> Wt R the actions taken by SNATTA in this regard ???????
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> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:11 PM, VENKATESAN RAD venk212@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> EXPECTED PAY IF IT IS 30% FITMANT
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> TTA 2002 TTA 2008
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> OLD PAY SCALE NEW SCALE OF PAY
> BASIC 7100-200-10100 14500-30400( 3% annual inc)
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> TTA 2002 BATCH WILL GET 30% FIT ALONG WITH NEW BASIC AS ON 1-1-2007. IT MAY BE AROUND Rs. 18850+24%DA+ HRA+DIET+ TA. TOTAL EMULANTS AROUND
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> BASIC 18850
> DA 4524
> HRA 1885
> DIET 500
> TA 300
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> NEW TTA MAY GET NO FIT APPLICABLE FOR NEW JOIN AFTER 1-1-2007
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> basic 14900
> da 3480
> HRA 1490
> DIET 500
> TA 300
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> GROSS 20766
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> THIS IS ONLY APPROXIMATE BUT NEW TTA GET VERY LESS COMPARE TO OLD TTA.
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> ER. M. RAJESH KUMAR TTA
> CMTS, PALACODE 9443200084
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