ttabsnl94: TTABSNL Digest Number 1825[2 Attachments]

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Finally I have paid "Building Fund".
From: sushil choudhary

2a. Re: Through Proper channel.
From: APARNA BATRA
2b. Through Proper channel.
From: Rishi Sirothia

3. Circle conference-Kerala
From: abhilash v

4. Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
From: kalyan kar

5. BSNL union alleges nexus between senior officials, pvt operators
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

6a. Re: Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
From: Jayant Singh

7a. All my RTI Applications are REJECTED
From: ANBU G
7b. Re: All my RTI Applications are REJECTED
From: shahulhameed noorulameen
7c. Re: All my RTI Applications are REJECTED
From: shahulhameed noorulameen

8. Fw: Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
From: sudesh kumar bhardwaj

9a. designation change
From: Sunil shinde

10. Conjunctivitis: Health Tip of the Day!
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

11a. Re: usb driver for CDMA fwt linktop model no. wf836f [2 Attachments]
From: rajani kartik
11b. Re: usb driver for CDMA fwt linktop model no. wf836f
From: Yasin Sindhi

12a. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
From: appu appu

13. Union fears nexus between BSNL officers, telcos; seeks probe
From: vineeth adolph

14a. Re: Strengthening the SNATTA. Organisation
From: Er.PRITPAL SINGH
14b. Re: Strengthening the SNATTA. Organisation
From: muralidharan muralidharan

15a. Regarding ITR excel file for income tax return
From: NARESH CHANDER
15b. Re: Regarding ITR excel file for income tax return
From: Yasin Sindhi

16a. Designation Change Poll Trend till date.
From: Jayant Singh

17a. Re: usb driver for CDMA fwt linktop model no. wf836f
From: Dheerendra Pal

18. SURINDER,BANDHAN,VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA & OTHER WHO SERIOUS ABT NEW DESIG
From: JASVIR JASSAL

19. BSNL introduces "Universal ITC" Card with per second pulse.
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

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1a. Re: Finally I have paid "Building Fund".
Posted by: "sushil choudhary" lakshya2001@gmail.com lucky_nagaur
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:49 am ((PDT))

Dear Sandip,
Don't your Circle has any TTA who is a member of BSNLEU also.If you have a
single SNATTA member, who is a member of BSNLEU also, then CHQ needs to
clarify his stand over Building fund issue. Does CHQ has any problem issuing
instructions that 'pay Building fund' or ' don't pay'. In Rajasthan circle &
our SSA we have nearly all TTAs who are the member of BSNLEU also. This
might not be the case in your circle. But that doesn't means you can oppose
the demand to clarify the stand of CHQ.If a large no' of SNATTA are not the
members of BSNLEU. then why CHQ issued the instructions to be ready to
withdraw the membership from BSNLEU. Now as the deadline to withdraw the
membership has passed, we don't even quit BSNLEU.I think you will now
understand the thing.

Sushil Choudhary
DS, SNATTA
Nagaur-Rajasthan
09413394233

On 7/20/10, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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> Hi Devendra,
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> You are right at your point.
> We should understand the ethics of unionism. When it is about joining
> STRIKES, paying subscriptions etc.. there is a need to explain things by any
> means ( that may be the website ).
> When we are not asked for fund why should we claify that at CHQ level ?
> I think you will now understand the thing.
> BSNLEU members are asked for FUND not alliance partners !!!!!!!!!
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>
> Er. Sandip Solanki
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> C.C., SNATTA,
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> Rajkot - GUJARAT
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> 09429244440
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> *From:* devendra singh <dksgurdaspur@yahoo.co.uk>
> *To:* TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sat, 17 July, 2010 5:43:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: TTABSNL Re: Finally I have paid "Building Fund".
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> Dear Sandeep,
> Your lines are axecctly true that " They are
> asking fund from BSNLEU members. We may deny at Local Level" but we must
> have any clear instruction on ground of which we can deny to pay them.
>
> If we are giving fund to EU then that is on our own but it is loss of
> SNATTA and its members.
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> Personally I'm not able to understand the problem of chq to issue such a
> short instruction on snatta.org webpage, while they are insisting even
> 2002/09 batch recrutees TTAs also.
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> So chq its time to act now.
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> regards,
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> Devendra Singh
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> Gurdaspur
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> --- On *Fri, 16/7/10, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>* wrote:
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> From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
> Subject: Re: TTABSNL Re: Finally I have paid "Building Fund".
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Friday, 16 July, 2010, 12:00
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> To give fund to BSNLEU is our own descision. They are asking fund from
> BSNLEU members. We may deny at Local Level.
> With pressure of District level BSNLEU, if we are giving fund then that
> is on our own. We can't blame CHQ for every thing.
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>
> Er. Sandip Solanki
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> C.C., SNATTA,
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> Rajkot - GUJARAT
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> 09429244440
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> *From:* lucky_nagaur <lakshya2001@ gmail.com>
> *To:* TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> *Sent:* Thu, 15 July, 2010 11:09:26 PM
> *Subject:* TTABSNL Re: Finally I have paid "Building Fund".
>
>
> Dear Devendra,
> this is very sad on SNATTA point of view that our members are being
> pressurized by BSNLEU local leaders to pay the Building fund. it's very
> disgusting that still CHQ has no comments over the issue. At Nagaur
> Rajasthan also we are being pressurized from today onwards, as they know
> that the time frame ( 15th july) to withdraw the membership has paseed and
> we have no option other than paying to them. I was told by BSNLEU DS that
> our CHQ is also getting the amount from our monthly union subscription. I
> want to ask everyone whether this is true or not?If our CHQ is getting funds
> from our monthly union subscription then what is the necessity to collect
> funds and transfer to CHQ. Please, make a clear stand on this issue,
> otherwise we are not able to pay seperately for two unions.WE CAN PAY EITHER
> OF THE TWO, SNATTA OR BSNLEU.Now it is upto CHQ to decide, and decide at the
> earliest, to whom to pay any amouny. We here in Nagaur has taken time up to
> 31st July, if no stand of SNATTA CHQ comes on this issue till then, we will
> have to pay the Building Fund.
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> Hoping the same condition in almost all SSAs.Please keep in touch.
>
> Sushil Choudhary
> DS, SNATTA
> Nagaur-rajasthan
> 09413394233
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> --- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com<http://uk.mc242.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=TTABSNL%40yahoogroups.com>,
> devendra singh <dksgurdaspur@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Due to unclear instructions, unclear vision and unclear decision of
> SNATTA chq. and pressure built by local unit of BSNLEU, I have finally paid
> "Building Fund" to BSNLEU.
> >
> > regards
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> > DEVENDRA SINGH
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With warm regards,
From,

Sushil Choudhary
District Secretary, SNATTA
Nagaur. Rajsthan.
09413394233

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2a. Re: Through Proper channel.
Posted by: "APARNA BATRA" aparna_batra20@yahoo.co.in aparna_batra20
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:50 am ((PDT))

u need to submit photocopy of advertisement,application and a letter telling dat u r apply for this position so dat they provide noc wenever needed for mentiond company

--- On Wed, 21/7/10, setia_arun05 <setia_arun05@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: setia_arun05 <setia_arun05@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: TTABSNL Through Proper channel.
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 21 July, 2010, 9:16 AM

Can we apply for outside employment through proper channel in probation

period??

or Will BSNL issue us NOC for attending interview after written exam??

please elaborate whats the procedure for filling outside employment applications with premission of management(BSNL)???

Thanks and Regards,

ARUN

TTA(G)

9467566047

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2b. Through Proper channel.
Posted by: "Rishi Sirothia" rishi_sirothia@yahoo.co.in rishi_sirothia
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:54 am ((PDT))

hiiiiiii....
           yes we can get NOC in probation if our higher authority supports. u should submit one appology letter along with promise letter that if u will leave bsnl within probation u will fulfill all ur liablities towards bsnl. apology letter for ur late informing to department.

           i've also faced the same situation and i've got NOC. and finally i 've selected for that post. now, i m Deputy supritendent of police in wireless section in M.P.

                              RISHI SIROTHIA
                              TTA, CDOT
                              BHOPAL

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3. Circle conference-Kerala
Posted by: "abhilash v" abhilash_ok@yahoo.co.in abhilash_ok
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:50 am ((PDT))

Dear friends,
We have successfully conducted our second Circle conference. We express our sincere thanks to the CC of Tamilnadu Mr.Pradeep for participating the meeting. He is a man of deep thought about BSNL and TTA cadre. A big majority of the representatives were from the 2008 batch. Naturally they were unhappy towards the current wage revision. The 2003 batch TTAs were of the opinion that our era is over. We couldn't become JTO yet and now there is no monitary benefit even if we become a JTO now. In wage revision too nothing got compared to the central govt. The present increase would be there even if there is no association or union since it was offered by the management at the beginning of discussion itself. We got some benefit that is very close to TMs but far away from executives.
Now the scenareo has been changed. The service condition reduction is very much beneficial for the new TTAs. So they have to come forward for this objective. Now our most immediate demand is fitment/pay up gradation/ pay scale merger for the new TTAs. Considering these facts the present leadership was ready to hand over the leadership to the new TTAs. But the new TTAs wanted the present leadership to continue and they were posted in the deputy posts.
During discussion around half of the SSA leadrers wanted SNATTA to continue as an association and maintain the dual membership.
After a detailed discussion the new office bearers were elected unanimously and the Central Coordinator Abhilash approved the newly elected body. All the active leaders of 2008 batch TTAs were elected to the Circle body.
President - Nazar.S(Trivandrum SSA-2003 batch)

Vice President - Sujith(Ernakulam SSA-2008 batch)
                      - Ulahannan(Calicut SSA-2003 batch)
                      - Jeevan Babu(Kollam SSA-2008 batch)
                      - Sooraj(Trivandrum SSA-2008 batch)
Secretary        - Manoj Kumar K.V(Kannur SSA-2003 batch)
Joint Secretary - Hakkim(Malappuram SSA-2008 batch)
                       - Renny John(Pathanamthitta SSA-2003 batch)
                       - Vinod(Palakkattu SSA-2003 batch)
                       -  Arun(Kannur SSA-2008 batch)
Organising Secretary : Rajesh Sekhar(Kottayam SSA-2003 batch)
                                : Shafi M.S(Trivandrum SSA-2002 batch)
Treasurer - Vinod(Malappuram SSA-2003 batch)
Asst.Treasurer - Sree Kumar(Trivandrum SSA-2002 batch)
Executive Committee members:Gireesh(Trivandrum-2008), Maneesh(Ernakulam-2008),Priyesh Varghese(Alappuzha-2008),Jayasree Suresh(Trivandrum-2003), Vidya(Kannur-2008),Prasanth,Jithesh(Ernakulam SSA-2008),Nandanan(Malappuram)-2008

Abhilash V
CC,Kerala.
09447700766

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4. Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
Posted by: "kalyan kar" kalyan_7fru@yahoo.co.in kalyan_7fru
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:50 am ((PDT))

hi all

do not criticize any one
every one has their own point n views reg designation change
i guess most preferable n suitable will be
junior engineer
or
junior manager

S kalyankartta,ndl+91-9000234484+91-9490484484

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5. BSNL union alleges nexus between senior officials, pvt operators
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:52 am ((PDT))

BSNL union alleges nexus between sr officials, pvt operators
NEW DELHI: Concerned over BSNL's falling revenue and market share, an
employee association of the state-owned telecom company has sought a
thorough probe into an alleged nexus between senior officials of the PSU and
private operators.

There seems to be a nexus between senior officials of BSNL and private
operators, which is stalling its growth, Sanchar Nigam Executive Association
(SNEA) said.

It has also written a letter to the cabinet secretary, seeking a high-level
probe into the matter.

SNEA claimed that one of the reasons for the current crisis in BSNL is the
fact that a number of officers belonging to the top-level management,
involved in taking strategic and critical policy decisions, are on the
payroll of service providers and vendors.

BSNL, which operates in all telecom circles except Delhi and Mumbai, has
been rapidly losing subscribers to private players.

While private operators have been adding up to three million subscribers
every month, BSNL has -- at times -- managed to garner only a million or
less.

The PSU's revenue has also been severely hit in recent years. The PSU is all
set to report a net loss for the last financial year on a low revenue of
about Rs 35,000 crore.

The demand for the probe comes at a time when the government has acted
against against two former BSNL officers for taking up jobs with a private
telecom company without prior permission.

The government has reduced the pension of the retired senior officers of
BSNL, at the level of additional secretary, by 25 per cent for a period of
one year. They had taken up commercial employment with Reliance Infocomm --
one after his retirement as director on the BSNL board and the other as CGM
UP(E).

SNEA also said that the government should adopt more stringent steps against
such officials, and even initiate criminal action.

The association also forwarded the letter to Telecom Minister A Raja and
senior Department of Telecom (DoT) officials.

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

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6a. Re: Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
Posted by: "Jayant Singh" jayantsingh_bsnl@yahoo.co.in jayantsingh_bsnl
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:54 am ((PDT))

so good suggestion.thanks

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, Yasin Sindhi <ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: Yasin Sindhi <ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 4:47 PM

One thing I don't understand and that is why always everybody insist on "DIPLOMA HOLDER". BSNL has also allowed people having Bachelor Degree to Join as TTA.
So there is nothing wrong to have Designation like "EXECUTIVE ENGINEER".

And this is only Suggestion.. .Its on CHQ to accept it or not ?

So my friend don't get panic about it....and Hope for.... "ALL IS WELL"
Regards,
Er.Yasin Sindhi
BSC-WLL, PALANPUR (N.G.)
M: +919429361555

From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 9:46:49 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!

Boys !!
In which department you find Executive Engineer for a DIPLOMA Holder ????
Give some justifications with your suggestions. ...

Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440

From: Yasin Sindhi <ygsindhi_mln@ yahoo.co. in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 10:37:45 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!

Yes friends,

Sanjiv has suggested the most suitable Designation " EXECUTIVE ENGINEER"

may be "Exexutive Engineer Telecom"

Regards,
Er.Yasin Sindhi
BSC-WLL, PALANPUR (N.G.)
M: +919429361555

From: sanjeev kathuria <sanjeev_kathuria05@ yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 6:34:45 PM
Subject: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!

Hi Freinds

Why to use word Assistant in our designation? ??at present our designtaion includes the word Assistant... but in Broadband section...we are hardly assisting any seniors(JTO, SDO etc)...infact we are doing A to Z work....infact sometimes our Seniors assists us for our work....so try to avoid this ASSISTANT word in our new designation. ...better options are either Junior Engg or EXECUTIVE Engineer.... think for the second option....

Executive engg: An engineer which actually execute the work.

This is my personal wish only.....no offence to anyones' feeling.

SANJEEV KATHURIA

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, sudesh kumar bhardwaj <lucky_bsnl@yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: sudesh kumar bhardwaj <lucky_bsnl@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Fw: TTABSNL Now or Never >>> Please Vote for the Best Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
To: "TTA" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com>
Cc: email13@gmail. com
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 3:15 PM

Dear Bandhan,
Nice to see urs efforts, you are grabing our choices, JET is best suitable as per my thinking but my second option is AEE (Assistant Executive Engineer)
Thanks,
Sudesh
TTA(Mktg)
Amritsar.
9417627676

--- On Mon, 19/7/10, Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com>
Subject: TTABSNL Now or Never >>> Please Vote for the Best Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
To: "TTA BSNL" <ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>
Date: Monday, 19 July, 2010, 10:18 AM

Hi SNATTAians,

One Poll created for Designation Change. Pls Vote the BEST..!!

Poll is just created to get the Trend from the SNATTAians.

Which is the Best Alternative Designation for TTAs ?? ...
which could reflect our nature of Job Profile as well as shows good reputation among masses.
A designation which enhances our position and status in BSNL and among public.
It could be our official classification and easy recognition.

Pls Choose/Vote the best out of below mentioned Designation which may be our next DESTINATION...!!

"Junior Engineer JE" - Telecom/Broadband/ Switch/Services/ Support/Mobile/ Transmission
>>> for example >> Junior Engineer Telecom or Junior Engineer Broadband

Telecom/Broadband/ Switch/Services/ Support/Mobile/ Transmission - "ENGINEER Er."
>>> for example >> Telecom Engineer or Broadband Engineer

"Telecom Support Engineer TSE" Mobile/Transmission /Rural/Urban/ Broadband/ Switch/Services/ MDF/RSU)
>>> for example >> Telecom Support Engineer (Mobile) or Telecom Support Engineer (Switch)

"Telecom Service Engineer TSE" Mobile/Transmission /Urban/Broadband /Switch/Support/ MDF/RSU)
>>> for example >> Telecom Service Engineer (Mobile) or Telecom Service Engineer (MDF)

"Service Engineer SE" (Telecom/Broadband/ Mobile/Transmiss ion/Switch/ CCN/Rural/ Urban/MDF/ RSU)
>>> for example >> Service Engineer (Telecom) or Service Engineer (Broadband)

"Support Engineer SE" (Telecom/Broadband/ Mobile/Transmiss ion/Switch/ CCN/Rural/ Urban/MDF/ RSU)
>>> for example >> Support Engineer (Transmission) or Support Engineer (Switch)

the above poll link is http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ TTABSNL/surveys? id=2308883 open it and Choose/Vote.

It is needless to point out that in almost all the PSUs, Diploma Engineers are designated as Junior Engineers.
The minimum qualification which the TTAs possess, itself suggests that they are engineer and deserve to be designated as engineer so that the sanity prevails in them.

The above lines in green are not mine instead taken from http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ TTABSNL/message/ 3019 these are said by our Ex-GS Dhiraj Chaudhary.

One LAST Suggestion for Committee member (Mr.Hakam Singh), only if BSNLEU is adamant on Telecom Executive for Telecom Operators then Demand not less than EXECUTIVE ENGINEER for TTAs. In a one go we will be Engineer and Executive both. ;-) it has both the elements of Govt. and Corporate culture. As there is no Designation of Executive left in Group-B and Group-A if management decided to change its Group-B ranks to Managers then we may get a chance to get our desired rank.
otherwise as per my previous mail oppose the executive word from Operators designation. as fundamentally Group-C could not get executive word in its rank. and Just Stick to our previous unanimous decision of JE (T) Rank.

I hope you finally got all suggestions, now its time for some action and firm decision.

Wish you tons of Good Luck.

Suggestions, Comments and Feedback is always welcomed.

regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA,
Mohali, Chandigarh.

Think Different... Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

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7a. All my RTI Applications are REJECTED
Posted by: "ANBU G" anbu_4_u@yahoo.com anbu_4_u
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:55 am ((PDT))

Dear Friends,

All my RTI applications requesting information for my terminal benefits after resignation of the post hasbeen REJECTED by the CPIO, GM(operations), Chennai Telephones.

Reason: Service matters need not be answered through RTI

Is it correct?

Yours/Kannan, EX-TTA

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, shahulhameed noorulameen <noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: shahulhameed noorulameen <noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: TTABSNL no need to fear RTI
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 8:19 AM

Dear VK Gupta,
It is true that the information sought on RTI is answered normally by SDE or JTO which is endorsed by CPIO or CIO of the Circle, Likewise, when I asked some information from BSNL Bhavan and also from my Circle, The Circle CPIO has forwarded what we posted in our website regarding the age relaxation for JTO LICE whereas the BSNL Bhawan could reply with a positive information pertaining to my requirement or question. I was grateful to them. So, we need not to worry of taking some burden or responsibility in disseminating what infor is with us, which can be useful to the public.
Also it is true that the question of 'Why' may not be answered. It is a good advice for all to follow the right step to get information thru RTI Act.
Regards
SN Ameen, TTA

Jeddah, KSA

From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo. com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 10:17:25 AM
Subject: TTABSNL no need to fear RTI

Dear Surinder,

As per THE RIGHT TO INFORMATION ACT, 2005 No. 22 of 2005,

"information" means any material in any form, including records, documents, memos, e-mails, opinions, advices, press releases, circulars, orders, logbooks, contracts, reports, papers, samples, models, data material held in any electronic form

"record" includesâ€"

(a) any document, manuscript and file;

(b) any microfilm, microfiche and facsimile copy of a document;

(c) any reproduction of image or images embodied in such microfilm (whether enlarged or not); and

(d) any other material produced by a computer or any other device;

"right to information" means the right to information accessible under this Act which is held by or under the control of any public authority and includes the right toâ€"

(i) inspection of work, documents, records;

(ii) taking notes, extracts or certified copies of documents or records;

(iii) taking certified samples of material;

(iv) obtaining information in the form of diskettes, floppies, tapes, video cassettes or in any other electronic mode or through printouts where such information is stored in a computer or in any other device;

The purpose of this act is to â€œsecure access to information under the control of public authorities, in order to promote transparency and accountability in the working of every public authorityâ€ but it does not in any way intends to create information. Only such information which do exist in any form can be provided to the applicant.

You yourself have used this act to get various information in BSNL and you must have a fairly good idea of drafting RTI applications so that it does not get rejected by PIOs.Therefore you must understand that applications asking for â€œWHYâ€ are more likely to be rejected, like why my BB,landline, mobile,etc has not been installed? why it is 4 for DOT opted and 8 for first pay upgradation? etc etc are likely to be rejected but if you ask â€œWHATâ€ you will get the desired information. What is rule for this or that? What is the current status?
A JE may be made a custodian of an information sought by the RTI applicant but he cannot be held responsible for the lapses of his seniors (JTO, SDEs).Every type of report we generally supply to our officers in daily to daily work is generated by the machine, computer,server, etc that do not need to be signed by us as we do not prepare it manually and accuracy or inaccuracy of it depends on the machine.

There is provision of fine if the information is not supplied within the timeframe prescribed, or the information id forged, incomplete and out of context but that too when the applicant move to appellate authorities. Anyway the CPIO would be held responsible for the delay and fine if any would be recovered from his salary and not from the custodians.

So no need to fear friends, even if a JE is made custodian there is no need to worry as long as you stick to the time limits. Just send the reports, whatever it be(do not manipulate, forge or send inaccurate or incomplete data to please your bosses) to higher officers and be happy.

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511

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7b. Re: All my RTI Applications are REJECTED
Posted by: "shahulhameed noorulameen" noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in noorulameen2006
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:55 pm ((PDT))

Dear Kannan
Pse go through the website of Govt of India/RTI Act www.rti.gov.in for
details, to know what are all the information which can be withheld by CPIO.
Section 8 & 9 of RTI Act 2005 deals with the list of information which are
exempted from disclosure. You have the right to apply to 1st Appellate Authority
who is normally CGM of Circle, if u r not satisfied with the answer, you can
also get information from Central Information Commission which is the 2nd
Appellite Authority (website: http://cic.gov.in ). My incomplete reply (stating
that these are based on available records), was given by Chennai Circle only.
Try to send it to BSNL Bhawan, New Delhi.

Best of Luck.

Note: Dear Moderator: Pse open a separate link in our snatta website to post all
information collected thru RTI Act, this will be useful to all and also avoid
sending duplicate application by others.
SN Ameen

________________________________
From: ANBU G <anbu_4_u@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 21 July, 2010 1:56:01 PM
Subject: TTABSNL All my RTI Applications are REJECTED

Dear Friends,

All my RTI applications requesting information for my terminal benefits after
resignation of the post hasbeen REJECTED by the CPIO, GM(operations) , Chennai
Telephones.

Reason: Service matters need not be answered through RTI

Is it correct?

Yours/Kannan, EX-TTA

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, shahulhameed noorulameen <noorulameen2006@ yahoo.co. in>
wrote:

>From: shahulhameed noorulameen <noorulameen2006@ yahoo.co. in>
>Subject: Re: TTABSNL no need to fear RTI
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 8:19 AM
>
>
>
>Dear VK Gupta,
>It is true that the information sought on RTI is answered normally by SDE or JTO
>which is endorsed by CPIO or CIO of the Circle, Likewise, when I asked some
>information from BSNL Bhavan and also from my Circle, The Circle CPIO has
>forwarded what we posted in our website regarding the age relaxation for JTO
>LICE whereas the BSNL Bhawan could reply with a positive information pertaining
>to my requirement or question. I was grateful to them. So, we need not to worry
>of taking some burden or responsibility in disseminating what infor is with us,
>which can be useful to the public.
>Also it is true that the question of 'Why' may not be answered. It is a good
>advice for all to follow the right step to get information thru RTI Act.
> Regards
> SN Ameen, TTA
>
>Jeddah, KSA
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo. com>
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 10:17:25 AM
>Subject: TTABSNL no need to fear RTI
>
>
>
>Dear Surinder,
>
>As per THE RIGHT TO INFORMATION ACT, 2005 No. 22 of 2005,
>
>"information" means any material in any form, including records, documents,
>memos, e-mails, opinions, advices, press releases, circulars, orders, logbooks,
>contracts, reports, papers, samples, models, data material held in any
>electronic form
>
>
>"record" includesâ€"
>
>(a) any document, manuscript and file;
>
>(b) any microfilm, microfiche and facsimile copy of a document;
>
>(c) any reproduction of image or images embodied in such microfilm (whether
>enlarged or not); and
>
>
>(d) any other material produced by a computer or any other device;
>
>"right to information" means the right to information accessible under this Act
>which is held by or under the control of any public authority and includes the
>right toâ€"
>
>
>(i) inspection of work, documents, records;
>
>(ii) taking notes, extracts or certified copies of documents or records;
>
>(iii) taking certified samples of material;
>
>(iv) obtaining information in the form of diskettes, floppies, tapes, video
>cassettes or in any other electronic mode or through printouts where such
>information is stored in a computer or in any other device;
>
>
>The purpose of this act is to â€œsecure access to information under the control of
>public authorities, in order to promote transparency and accountability in the
>working of every public authorityâ€ but it does not in any way intends to create
>information. Only such information which do exist in any form can be provided to
>the applicant.
>
>
>You yourself have used this act to get various information in BSNL and you must
>have a fairly good idea of drafting RTI applications so that it does not get
>rejected by PIOs.Therefore you must understand that applications asking for
>â€œWHYâ€ are more likely to be rejected, like why my BB,landline, mobile,etc has
>not been installed? why it is 4 for DOT opted and 8 for first pay upgradation?
>etc etc are likely to be rejected but if you ask â€œWHATâ€ you will get the desired
>information. What is rule for this or that? What is the current status?
>
>A JE may be made a custodian of an information sought by the RTI applicant but
>he cannot be held responsible for the lapses of his seniors (JTO, SDEs).Every
>type of report we generally supply to our officers in daily to daily work is
>generated by the machine, computer,server, etc that do not need to be signed by
>us as we do not prepare it manually and accuracy or inaccuracy of it depends on
>the machine.
>
>
>There is provision of fine if the information is not supplied within the
>timeframe prescribed, or the information id forged, incomplete and out of
>context but that too when the applicant move to appellate authorities. Anyway
>the CPIO would be held responsible for the delay and fine if any would be
>recovered from his salary and not from the custodians.
>
>
>So no need to fear friends, even if a JE is made custodian there is no need to
>worry as long as you stick to the time limits. Just send the reports, whatever
>it be(do not manipulate, forge or send inaccurate or incomplete data to please
>your bosses) to higher officers and be happy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Vikas Kumar Gupta
>TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
>9431100511
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Messages in this topic (6)
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7c. Re: All my RTI Applications are REJECTED
Posted by: "shahulhameed noorulameen" noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in noorulameen2006
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:56 pm ((PDT))

Dear Kannan
Pse go through the website of Govt of India/RTI Act www.rti.gov.in to know what
are all the information which can be withheld by CPIO. Section 8 & 9 of RTI Act
2005 deals with the 'Information which are exempted from disclosure' You have
the right to apply to 1st Appellate Authority who is normally CGM Circle, if u r
not satisfied with the answer. Still if u r not satisfied, u can get information
from central Information Commission. My incomplete reply (stating that these are
based on available records), was given by Chennai Circle only. Try to send it to
BSNL Bhawan, New Delhi.

Best of Luck.
SN Ameen

________________________________
From: ANBU G <anbu_4_u@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 21 July, 2010 1:56:01 PM
Subject: TTABSNL All my RTI Applications are REJECTED

Dear Friends,

All my RTI applications requesting information for my terminal benefits after
resignation of the post hasbeen REJECTED by the CPIO, GM(operations) , Chennai
Telephones.

Reason: Service matters need not be answered through RTI

Is it correct?

Yours/Kannan, EX-TTA

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, shahulhameed noorulameen <noorulameen2006@ yahoo.co. in>
wrote:

Messages in this topic (6)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
8. Fw: Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
Posted by: "sudesh kumar bhardwaj" lucky_bsnl@yahoo.co.in lucky_bsnl
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:55 am ((PDT))

Dear Yasin,
Minimum qualification for TTA is Diploma, So, Management will try to provide us the diploma level designation not as per the extra qualification. This is truth.
: Sudesh
TTA (Mktg)
Amritsar

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, Yasin Sindhi <ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: Yasin Sindhi <ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 10:17 PM