ttabsnl94: TTABSNL Digest Number 1823[3 Attachments]

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
From: Gaurav Singh
1b. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
From: Yogesh Vandra
1c. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
1d. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
From: sathappan natraj
1e. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
From: arun kumar

2a. Re: Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
From: Yasin Sindhi
2b. Re: Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
From: Sandip Solanki
2c. Re: Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
From: surinder mittal
2d. Re: Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
From: Yasin Sindhi

3a. Re: JUSTICE, EQUALITY, LIBERTY and FRATERNITY
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
3b. Re: JUSTICE, EQUALITY, LIBERTY and FRATERNITY
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

4. Fw: go with JE
From: s h

5.1. Re: Designation Matter....Thanks Mr Abhilash & others....Must Read (
From: surinder mittal

6a. Re: EPF CALCULATOR
From: Ashish Agrawal

7a. Re: no need to fear RTI
From: surinder mittal
7b. Re: no need to fear RTI
From: shahulhameed noorulameen

8. DESIGNATION CHANGE
From: JASVIR JASSAL

9.1. Re: KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Must Read (@09417583939)
From: muralidharan muralidharan
9.2. Re: KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Must Read (@09417583939)
From: shahulhameed noorulameen

10. Participate in various Polls of your interest here.
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

11. Patna SSA meeting
From: s h

12. Gratuity and leave encashment on resignation
From: shatru singh

13a. Re: usb driver for CDMA fwt linktop model no. wf836f
From: Yasin Sindhi

14. Mouth Ulcers: Health Tip of the Day!
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

15a. Re: Finally I have paid "Building Fund".
From: Sandip Solanki

Messages
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1a. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
Posted by: "Gaurav Singh" gks_bsnl@yahoo.co.in gks_bsnl
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:07 am ((PDT))

Dear Parmar,
                     this type pboblem appeared in all dir.no. in a DSLAM or in a particular no.pls correct it , also tell DSLAM make.
                                                                                            gaurav singh
                                                                                            azamgarh
                                                                                            9415370676

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, Jasvant Parmar <jasvantparmar@ymail.com> wrote:

From: Jasvant Parmar <jasvantparmar@ymail.com>
Subject: TTABSNL Critical Broadband Problem-Help
To: "tta bsnl" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 12:54 PM

Hi Friends,
I have Critical problem in Broadband ADSL link-C-dot indicator. ADSL gone after 2 minutes.SNR stays between 8-10 in any condition. I have been done following tests for this problem.
(1) Modem checked-it found ok.
(2) Primary changed 4 times.
(3) Distribution pairs changed.
(4) Dislam port changed 3 times.
(5) Modem checked at Pillar.
(6) Given Primary of working stable broadband connection.
(7) C-Dot LCC card changed.
(8) C-Dot TEN changed.
(9) Changed indicator from C-Dot to OCB.
(10) What's Next?

Jasvant Parmar
TTA(Broadband)
Palanpur-Gujarat
9426655777

Messages in this topic (6)
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1b. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
Posted by: "Yogesh Vandra" vandra_9999@yahoo.com vandra_9999
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:10 am ((PDT))

forward complin to JTO

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, Jasvant Parmar <jasvantparmar@ymail.com> wrote:

From: Jasvant Parmar <jasvantparmar@ymail.com>
Subject: TTABSNL Critical Broadband Problem-Help
To: "tta bsnl" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 7:24 AM

Jasvant Parmar
TTA(Broadband)
Palanpur-Gujarat
9426655777

Messages in this topic (6)
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1c. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:11 am ((PDT))

hi dear,

pls read the article at http://punjab.bsnl.co.in/bandhan_bb1.html

regards
bandhan

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Jasvant Parmar <jasvantparmar@ymail.com>wrote:

>
>
>
> *Hi Friends,*
> * I have Critical problem in Broadband ADSL link-C-dot
> indicator. ADSL gone after 2 minutes.SNR stays between 8-10 in any
> condition. I have been done following tests for this problem.*
> *(1) Modem checked-it found ok.*
> *(2) Primary changed 4 times.*
> *(3) Distribution pairs changed.*
> *(4) Dislam port changed 3 times. *
> *(5) Modem checked at Pillar.*
> *(6) Given Primary of working stable broadband connection.*
> *(7) C-Dot LCC card changed.*
> *(8) C-Dot TEN changed.*
> *(9) Changed indicator from C-Dot to OCB.*
> *(10) What's Next? *
>
> * Jasvant Parmar*
> *TTA(Broadband)*
> *Palanpur-Gujarat*
> *9426655777*
> **
>
>
>

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

Messages in this topic (6)
________________________________________________________________________
1d. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
Posted by: "sathappan natraj" your_satu@yahoo.co.in your_satu
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:18 am ((PDT))

Subscriber might have parallel connection

Sathappan Natraj

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, Jasvant Parmar <jasvantparmar@ymail.com> wrote:

From: Jasvant Parmar <jasvantparmar@ymail.com>
Subject: TTABSNL Critical Broadband Problem-Help
To: "tta bsnl" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 12:54 PM

Jasvant Parmar
TTA(Broadband)
Palanpur-Gujarat
9426655777

Messages in this topic (6)
________________________________________________________________________
1e. Re: Critical Broadband Problem-Help
Posted by: "arun kumar" la_arun_kumar@yahoo.com la_arun_kumar
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:30 am ((PDT))

hi,
Pl chk the SNR value in MDF, Next in pillar (use WLL chrger to power ur
modem, laptop),
This two will give u clear idea were the fault is...

1. Use LED in the cable pair without connection from MDF, if the cable pair has
foriegn voltage, LED will glow.
2. Chk for loop resistance from MDF to pillar, if it varies abnormally, go for
other pair,

For me it took around 80 pairs to make through an MLLN connection.
Try ur best.
Never give up...

Regards,
L.A. Arunkumar,
TTA External,
Chennai Telephones,
Chengalpattu.

________________________________
From: Jasvant Parmar <jasvantparmar@ymail.com>
To: tta bsnl <TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 12:54:50 PM
Subject: TTABSNL Critical Broadband Problem-Help

Hi Friends,
I have Critical problem in Broadband ADSL link-C-dot indicator.
ADSL gone after 2 minutes.SNR stays between 8-10 in any condition. I have been
done following tests for this problem.
(1) Modem checked-it found ok.
(2) Primary changed 4 times.
(3) Distribution pairs changed.
(4) Dislam port changed 3 times.
(5) Modem checked at Pillar.
(6) Given Primary of working stable broadband connection.
(7) C-Dot LCC card changed.
(8) C-Dot TEN changed.
(9) Changed indicator from C-Dot to OCB.
(10) What's Next?

Jasvant Parmar
TTA(Broadband)
Palanpur-Gujarat
9426655777

Messages in this topic (6)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
2a. Re: Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
Posted by: "Yasin Sindhi" ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in ygsindhi_mln
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:08 am ((PDT))

Yes friends,

Sanjiv has suggested the most suitable Designation " EXECUTIVE ENGINEER"

may be "Exexutive Engineer Telecom"

Regards,
Er.Yasin Sindhi
BSC-WLL, PALANPUR (N.G.)
M: +919429361555

________________________________
From: sanjeev kathuria <sanjeev_kathuria05@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 6:34:45 PM
Subject: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!

Hi Freinds

Why to use word Assistant in our designation???at present our designtaion
includes the word Assistant...but in Broadband section...we are hardly assisting
any seniors(JTO,SDO etc)...infact we are doing A to Z work....infact sometimes
our Seniors assists us for our work....so try to avoid this ASSISTANT word in
our new designation....better options are either Junior Engg or EXECUTIVE
Engineer....think for the second option....

Executive engg: An engineer which actually execute the work.

This is my personal wish only.....no offence to anyones' feeling.

SANJEEV KATHURIA

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, sudesh kumar bhardwaj <lucky_bsnl@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

>From: sudesh kumar bhardwaj <lucky_bsnl@yahoo.co.in>
>Subject: Fw: TTABSNL Now or Never >>> Please Vote for the Best Designation
>Change for TTAs ..!!
>To: "TTA" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com>
>Cc: email13@gmail.com
>Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 3:15 PM
>
>
>
>Dear Bandhan,
>Nice to see urs efforts, you are grabing our choices, JET is best suitable as
>per my thinking but my second option is AEE (Assistant Executive Engineer)
>Thanks,
>Sudesh
>TTA(Mktg)
>Amritsar.
>9417627676
>
>--- On Mon, 19/7/10, Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com>
>>Subject: TTABSNL Now or Never >>> Please Vote for the Best Designation Change
>>for TTAs ..!!
>>To: "TTA BSNL" <ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>
>>Date: Monday, 19 July, 2010, 10:18 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi SNATTAians,
>>
>>One Poll created for Designation Change. Pls Vote the BEST..!!
>>
>>                      Poll is just created to get the Trend from the
>SNATTAians.
>>
>>Which is the Best Alternative Designation for TTAs ?? ...
>>which could reflect our nature of Job Profile as well as shows good reputation
>>among masses.
>>A designation which enhances our position and status in BSNL and among public.
>>It could be our official classification and easy recognition.
>>
>>Pls Choose/Vote the best out of below mentioned Designation which may be our
>>next DESTINATION...!!
>>
>>
>>"Junior Engineer JE" - Telecom/Broadband/ Switch/Services/ Support/Mobile/
>>Transmission
>>
>>          >>> for example >> Junior Engineer Telecom or Junior Engineer
>>Broadband
>>
>>Telecom/Broadband/ Switch/Services/ Support/Mobile/ Transmission -
>>"ENGINEER Er."
>>
>>       >>> for example >> Telecom Engineer or Broadband Engineer
>>
>>"Telecom Support Engineer TSE" Mobile/Transmission /Rural/Urban/ Broadband/
>>Switch/Services/ MDF/RSU)
>>
>>            >>>for example >> Telecom Support Engineer (Mobile) or Telecom
>>Support Engineer (Switch)
>>
>>"Telecom Service Engineer TSE" Mobile/Transmission /Urban/Broadband
>>/Switch/Support/ MDF/RSU)
>>               >>>for example >> Telecom Service Engineer (Mobile) or Telecom
>>Service Engineer (MDF)
>>
>>"Service Engineer SE" (Telecom/Broadband/ Mobile/Transmiss ion/Switch/
>>CCN/Rural/ Urban/MDF/ RSU)
>>               >>>for example >> Service Engineer (Telecom) or Service Engineer
>>(Broadband)
>>
>>"Support Engineer SE" (Telecom/Broadband/ Mobile/Transmiss ion/Switch/
>>CCN/Rural/ Urban/MDF/ RSU)
>>               >>>for example >> Support Engineer (Transmission) or Support
>>Engineer (Switch)
>>
>>the above poll link is http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ TTABSNL/surveys?
>>id=2308883   open it and Choose/Vote.
>>
>>
>>
>>It is needless to point out that in almost all the PSUs, Diploma Engineers are
>>designated as Junior Engineers.
>>The minimum qualification which the TTAs possess, itself suggests that they are
>>engineer and deserve to be designated as engineer so that the sanity prevails in
>>them.
>>
>>The above lines in green are not mine instead taken from http://tech.
>>groups.yahoo. com/group/ TTABSNL/message/ 3019   these are said by our Ex-GS
>>Dhiraj Chaudhary.
>>
>>
>>
>>OneLAST Suggestion for Committee member (Mr.Hakam Singh), only if BSNLEU is
>>adamant on Telecom Executive for Telecom Operators then Demand not less than
>>EXECUTIVE ENGINEER for TTAs. In a one go we will be Engineer and Executive both.
>>;-) it has both the elements of Govt. and Corporate culture. As there is no
>>Designation of Executive left in Group-B and Group-A if management decided to
>>change its Group-B ranks to Managers then we may get a chance to get our desired
>>rank.
>>otherwise as per my previous mail oppose the executive word from Operators
>>designation. as fundamentally Group-C could not get executive word in its rank.
>>and Just Stick to our previous unanimous decision ofJE (T) Rank.
>>
>>I hope you finally got all suggestions, now its time for some action and firm
>>decision.
>>
>>Wish you tons of Good Luck.
>>
>>
>>Suggestions, Comments and Feedback is always welcomed.
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Bandhan Preet Singh,
>>Broadband Engineer (TTA,
>>Mohali, Chandigarh.
>>
>>
>>Think Different... Think Good..!!
>>
>>"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD,   DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
>

Messages in this topic (7)
________________________________________________________________________
2b. Re: Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
Posted by: "Sandip Solanki" sandip4net@yahoo.co.in sandip4net
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:32 am ((PDT))

Boys !!
In which department you find Executive Engineer for a DIPLOMA Holder ????
Give some justifications with your suggestions....

Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440

________________________________
From: Yasin Sindhi <ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 10:37:45 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!

Yes friends,

Sanjiv has suggested the most suitable Designation " EXECUTIVE ENGINEER"

may be "Exexutive Engineer Telecom"

Regards,
Er.Yasin Sindhi
BSC-WLL, PALANPUR (N.G.)
M: +919429361555

________________________________
From: sanjeev kathuria <sanjeev_kathuria05@ yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 6:34:45 PM
Subject: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!

Hi Freinds

Why to use word Assistant in our designation? ??at present our designtaion
includes the word Assistant... but in Broadband section...we are hardly
assisting any seniors(JTO, SDO etc)...infact we are doing A to Z work....infact
sometimes our Seniors assists us for our work....so try to avoid this ASSISTANT
word in our new designation. ...better options are either Junior Engg or
EXECUTIVE Engineer.... think for the second option....

Executive engg: An engineer which actually execute the work.

This is my personal wish only.....no offence to anyones' feeling.

SANJEEV KATHURIA

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, sudesh kumar bhardwaj <lucky_bsnl@yahoo. co.in> wrote:

>From: sudesh kumar bhardwaj <lucky_bsnl@yahoo. co.in>
>Subject: Fw: TTABSNL Now or Never >>> Please Vote for the Best Designation
>Change for TTAs ..!!
>To: "TTA" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com>
>Cc: email13@gmail. com
>Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 3:15 PM
>
>
>
>Dear Bandhan,
>Nice to see urs efforts, you are grabing our choices, JET is best suitable as
>per my thinking but my second option is AEE (Assistant Executive Engineer)
>Thanks,
>Sudesh
>TTA(Mktg)
>Amritsar.
>9417627676
>
>--- On Mon, 19/7/10, Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com>
>>Subject: TTABSNL Now or Never >>> Please Vote for the Best Designation Change
>>for TTAs ..!!
>>To: "TTA BSNL" <ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>
>>Date: Monday, 19 July, 2010, 10:18 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi SNATTAians,
>>
>>One Poll created for Designation Change. Pls Vote the BEST..!!
>>
>>                      Poll is just created to get the Trend from the
>SNATTAians.
>>
>>Which is the Best Alternative Designation for TTAs ?? ...
>>which could reflect our nature of Job Profile as well as shows good reputation
>>among masses.
>>A designation which enhances our position and status in BSNL and among public.
>>It could be our official classification and easy recognition.
>>
>>Pls Choose/Vote the best out of below mentioned Designation which may be our
>>next DESTINATION...!!
>>
>>
>>"Junior Engineer JE" - Telecom/Broadband/ Switch/Services/ Support/Mobile/
>>Transmission
>>
>>          >>> for example >> Junior Engineer Telecom or Junior Engineer
>>Broadband
>>
>>Telecom/Broadband/ Switch/Services/ Support/Mobile/ Transmission -
>>"ENGINEER Er."
>>
>>       >>> for example >> Telecom Engineer or Broadband Engineer
>>
>>"Telecom Support Engineer TSE" Mobile/Transmission /Rural/Urban/ Broadband/
>>Switch/Services/ MDF/RSU)
>>
>>            >>>for example >> Telecom Support Engineer (Mobile) or Telecom
>>Support Engineer (Switch)
>>
>>"Telecom Service Engineer TSE" Mobile/Transmission /Urban/Broadband
>>/Switch/Support/ MDF/RSU)
>>               >>>for example >> Telecom Service Engineer (Mobile) or Telecom
>>Service Engineer (MDF)
>>
>>"Service Engineer SE" (Telecom/Broadband/ Mobile/Transmiss ion/Switch/
>>CCN/Rural/ Urban/MDF/ RSU)
>>               >>>for example >> Service Engineer (Telecom) or Service Engineer
>>(Broadband)
>>
>>"Support Engineer SE" (Telecom/Broadband/ Mobile/Transmiss ion/Switch/
>>CCN/Rural/ Urban/MDF/ RSU)
>>               >>>for example >> Support Engineer (Transmission) or Support
>>Engineer (Switch)
>>
>>the above poll link is http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ TTABSNL/surveys?
>>id=2308883   open it and Choose/Vote.
>>
>>
>>
>>It is needless to point out that in almost all the PSUs, Diploma Engineers are
>>designated as Junior Engineers.
>>The minimum qualification which the TTAs possess, itself suggests that they are
>>engineer and deserve to be designated as engineer so that the sanity prevails in
>>them.
>>
>>The above lines in green are not mine instead taken from http://tech.
>>groups.yahoo. com/group/ TTABSNL/message/ 3019   these are said by our Ex-GS
>>Dhiraj Chaudhary.
>>
>>
>>
>>OneLAST Suggestion for Committee member (Mr.Hakam Singh), only if BSNLEU is
>>adamant on Telecom Executive for Telecom Operators then Demand not less than
>>EXECUTIVE ENGINEER for TTAs. In a one go we will be Engineer and Executive both.
>>;-) it has both the elements of Govt. and Corporate culture. As there is no
>>Designation of Executive left in Group-B and Group-A if management decided to
>>change its Group-B ranks to Managers then we may get a chance to get our desired
>>rank.
>>otherwise as per my previous mail oppose the executive word from Operators
>>designation. as fundamentally Group-C could not get executive word in its rank.
>>and Just Stick to our previous unanimous decision ofJE (T) Rank.
>>
>>I hope you finally got all suggestions, now its time for some action and firm
>>decision.
>>
>>Wish you tons of Good Luck.
>>
>>
>>Suggestions, Comments and Feedback is always welcomed.
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Bandhan Preet Singh,
>>Broadband Engineer (TTA,
>>Mohali, Chandigarh.
>>
>>
>>Think Different... Think Good..!!
>>
>>"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD,   DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
>

Messages in this topic (7)
________________________________________________________________________
2c. Re: Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
Posted by: "surinder mittal" mittals3_surinder@yahoo.com mittals3_surinder
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:58 pm ((PDT))

gr8 reply Mr Solanki.

On Tue Jul 20th, 2010 9:16 AM PDT Sandip Solanki wrote:

>Boys !!
>In which department you find Executive Engineer for a DIPLOMA Holder ????
>Give some justifications with your suggestions....
>
>Er. Sandip Solanki
>C.C., SNATTA,
>Rajkot - GUJARAT
>09429244440
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Yasin Sindhi <ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in>
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 10:37:45 PM
>Subject: Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
>
>
>Yes friends,
>
>Sanjiv has suggested the most suitable Designation " EXECUTIVE ENGINEER"
>
>may be "Exexutive Engineer Telecom"
>
>Regards,
>Er.Yasin Sindhi
>BSC-WLL, PALANPUR (N.G.)
>M: +919429361555
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: sanjeev kathuria <sanjeev_kathuria05@ yahoo.com>
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 6:34:45 PM
>Subject: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
>
>
>
>
>Hi Freinds
>
>Why to use word Assistant in our designation? ??at present our designtaion
>includes the word Assistant... but in Broadband section...we are hardly
>assisting any seniors(JTO, SDO etc)...infact we are doing A to Z work....infact
>sometimes our Seniors assists us for our work....so try to avoid this ASSISTANT
>word in our new designation. ...better options are either Junior Engg or
>EXECUTIVE Engineer.... think for the second option....
>
>Executive engg: An engineer which actually execute the work.
>
>This is my personal wish only.....no offence to anyones' feeling.
>
>
>
> SANJEEV KATHURIA
>
>
>
>--- On Mon, 7/19/10, sudesh kumar bhardwaj <lucky_bsnl@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
>
>
>>From: sudesh kumar bhardwaj <lucky_bsnl@yahoo. co.in>
>>Subject: Fw: TTABSNL Now or Never >>> Please Vote for the Best Designation
>>Change for TTAs ..!!
>>To: "TTA" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com>
>>Cc: email13@gmail. com
>>Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 3:15 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Bandhan,
>>Nice to see urs efforts, you are grabing our choices, JET is best suitable as
>>per my thinking but my second option is AEE (Assistant Executive Engineer)
>>Thanks,
>>Sudesh
>>TTA(Mktg)
>>Amritsar.
>>9417627676
>>
>>--- On Mon, 19/7/10, Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com>
>>>Subject: TTABSNL Now or Never >>> Please Vote for the Best Designation Change
>>>for TTAs ..!!
>>>To: "TTA BSNL" <ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>
>>>Date: Monday, 19 July, 2010, 10:18 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi SNATTAians,
>>>
>>>One Poll created for Designation Change. Pls Vote the BEST..!!
>>>
>>>                      Poll is just created to get the Trend from the
>>SNATTAians.
>>>
>>>Which is the Best Alternative Designation for TTAs ?? ...
>>>which could reflect our nature of Job Profile as well as shows good reputation
>>>among masses.
>>>A designation which enhances our position and status in BSNL and among public.
>>>It could be our official classification and easy recognition.
>>>
>>>Pls Choose/Vote the best out of below mentioned Designation which may be our
>>>next DESTINATION...!!
>>>
>>>
>>>"Junior Engineer JE" - Telecom/Broadband/ Switch/Services/ Support/Mobile/
>>>Transmission
>>>
>>>          >>> for example >> Junior Engineer Telecom or Junior Engineer
>>>Broadband
>>>
>>>Telecom/Broadband/ Switch/Services/ Support/Mobile/ Transmission -
>>>"ENGINEER Er."
>>>
>>>       >>> for example >> Telecom Engineer or Broadband Engineer
>>>
>>>"Telecom Support Engineer TSE" Mobile/Transmission /Rural/Urban/ Broadband/
>>>Switch/Services/ MDF/RSU)
>>>
>>>            >>>for example >> Telecom Support Engineer (Mobile) or Telecom
>>>Support Engineer (Switch)
>>>
>>>"Telecom Service Engineer TSE" Mobile/Transmission /Urban/Broadband
>>>/Switch/Support/ MDF/RSU)
>>>               >>>for example >> Telecom Service Engineer (Mobile) or Telecom
>>>Service Engineer (MDF)
>>>
>>>"Service Engineer SE" (Telecom/Broadband/ Mobile/Transmiss ion/Switch/
>>>CCN/Rural/ Urban/MDF/ RSU)
>>>               >>>for example >> Service Engineer (Telecom) or Service Engineer
>>>(Broadband)
>>>
>>>"Support Engineer SE" (Telecom/Broadband/ Mobile/Transmiss ion/Switch/
>>>CCN/Rural/ Urban/MDF/ RSU)
>>>               >>>for example >> Support Engineer (Transmission) or Support
>>>Engineer (Switch)
>>>
>>>the above poll link is http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ TTABSNL/surveys?
>>>id=2308883   open it and Choose/Vote.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It is needless to point out that in almost all the PSUs, Diploma Engineers are
>>>designated as Junior Engineers.
>>>The minimum qualification which the TTAs possess, itself suggests that they are
>>>engineer and deserve to be designated as engineer so that the sanity prevails in
>>>them.
>>>
>>>The above lines in green are not mine instead taken from http://tech.
>>>groups.yahoo. com/group/ TTABSNL/message/ 3019   these are said by our Ex-GS
>>>Dhiraj Chaudhary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>OneLAST Suggestion for Committee member (Mr.Hakam Singh), only if BSNLEU is
>>>adamant on Telecom Executive for Telecom Operators then Demand not less than
>>>EXECUTIVE ENGINEER for TTAs. In a one go we will be Engineer and Executive both.
>>>;-) it has both the elements of Govt. and Corporate culture. As there is no
>>>Designation of Executive left in Group-B and Group-A if management decided to
>>>change its Group-B ranks to Managers then we may get a chance to get our desired
>>>rank.
>>>otherwise as per my previous mail oppose the executive word from Operators
>>>designation. as fundamentally Group-C could not get executive word in its rank.
>>>and Just Stick to our previous unanimous decision ofJE (T) Rank.
>>>
>>>I hope you finally got all suggestions, now its time for some action and firm
>>>decision.
>>>
>>>Wish you tons of Good Luck.
>>>
>>>
>>>Suggestions, Comments and Feedback is always welcomed.
>>>
>>>regards,
>>>
>>>Bandhan Preet Singh,
>>>Broadband Engineer (TTA,
>>>Mohali, Chandigarh.
>>>
>>>
>>>Think Different... Think Good..!!
>>>
>>>"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD,   DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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2d. Re: Designation Change for TTAs ..!!
Posted by: "Yasin Sindhi" ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in ygsindhi_mln
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:58 pm ((PDT))

One thing I don't understand and that is why always everybody insist on
"DIPLOMA HOLDER". BSNL has also allowed people having Bachelor Degree to Join as
TTA.
So there is nothing wrong to have Designation like "EXECUTIVE ENGINEER".

And this is only Suggestion...Its on CHQ to accept it or not ?

So my friend don't get panic about it....and Hope for.... "ALL IS WELL"
Regards,
Er.Yasin Sindhi
BSC-WLL, PALANPUR (N.G.)
M: +919429361555

________________________________
From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 9:46:49 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!

Boys !!
In which department you find Executive Engineer for a DIPLOMA Holder ????
Give some justifications with your suggestions....

Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440

________________________________
From: Yasin Sindhi <ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 10:37:45 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!

Yes friends,

Sanjiv has suggested the most suitable Designation " EXECUTIVE ENGINEER"

may be "Exexutive Engineer Telecom"

Regards,
Er.Yasin Sindhi
BSC-WLL, PALANPUR (N.G.)
M: +919429361555

________________________________
From: sanjeev kathuria <sanjeev_kathuria05@ yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 6:34:45 PM
Subject: TTABSNL Designation Change for TTAs ..!!

Hi Freinds

Why to use word Assistant in our designation? ??at present our designtaion
includes the word Assistant... but in Broadband section...we are hardly
assisting any seniors(JTO, SDO etc)...infact we are doing A to Z work....infact
sometimes our Seniors assists us for our work....so try to avoid this ASSISTANT
word in our new designation. ...better options are either Junior Engg or
EXECUTIVE Engineer.... think for the second option....

Executive engg: An engineer which actually execute the work.

This is my personal wish only.....no offence to anyones' feeling.

SANJEEV KATHURIA

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, sudesh kumar bhardwaj <lucky_bsnl@yahoo. co.in> wrote:

>From: sudesh kumar bhardwaj <lucky_bsnl@yahoo. co.in>
>Subject: Fw: TTABSNL Now or Never >>> Please Vote for the Best Designation
>Change for TTAs ..!!
>To: "TTA" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com>
>Cc: email13@gmail. com
>Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 3:15 PM
>
>
>
>Dear Bandhan,
>Nice to see urs efforts, you are grabing our choices, JET is best suitable as
>per my thinking but my second option is AEE (Assistant Executive Engineer)
>Thanks,
>Sudesh
>TTA(Mktg)
>Amritsar.
>9417627676
>
>--- On Mon, 19/7/10, Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com>
>>Subject: TTABSNL Now or Never >>> Please Vote for the Best Designation Change
>>for TTAs ..!!
>>To: "TTA BSNL" <ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>
>>Date: Monday, 19 July, 2010, 10:18 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi SNATTAians,
>>
>>One Poll created for Designation Change. Pls Vote the BEST..!!
>>
>>                      Poll is just created to get the Trend from the
>SNATTAians.
>>
>>Which is the Best Alternative Designation for TTAs ?? ...
>>which could reflect our nature of Job Profile as well as shows good reputation
>>among masses.
>>A designation which enhances our position and status in BSNL and among public.
>>It could be our official classification and easy recognition.
>>
>>Pls Choose/Vote the best out of below mentioned Designation which may be our
>>next DESTINATION...!!
>>
>>
>>"Junior Engineer JE" - Telecom/Broadband/ Switch/Services/ Support/Mobile/
>>Transmission
>>
>>          >>> for example >> Junior Engineer Telecom or Junior Engineer
>>Broadband
>>
>>Telecom/Broadband/ Switch/Services/ Support/Mobile/ Transmission -
>>"ENGINEER Er."
>>
>>       >>> for example >> Telecom Engineer or Broadband Engineer
>>
>>"Telecom Support Engineer TSE" Mobile/Transmission /Rural/Urban/ Broadband/
>>Switch/Services/ MDF/RSU)
>>
>>            >>>for example >> Telecom Support Engineer (Mobile) or Telecom
>>Support Engineer (Switch)
>>
>>"Telecom Service Engineer TSE" Mobile/Transmission /Urban/Broadband
>>/Switch/Support/ MDF/RSU)
>>               >>>for example >> Telecom Service Engineer (Mobile) or Telecom
>>Service Engineer (MDF)
>>
>>"Service Engineer SE" (Telecom/Broadband/ Mobile/Transmiss ion/Switch/
>>CCN/Rural/ Urban/MDF/ RSU)
>>               >>>for example >> Service Engineer (Telecom) or Service Engineer
>>(Broadband)
>>
>>"Support Engineer SE" (Telecom/Broadband/ Mobile/Transmiss ion/Switch/
>>CCN/Rural/ Urban/MDF/ RSU)
>>               >>>for example >> Support Engineer (Transmission) or Support
>>Engineer (Switch)
>>
>>the above poll link is http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ TTABSNL/surveys?
>>id=2308883   open it and Choose/Vote.
>>
>>
>>
>>It is needless to point out that in almost all the PSUs, Diploma Engineers are
>>designated as Junior Engineers.
>>The minimum qualification which the TTAs possess, itself suggests that they are
>>engineer and deserve to be designated as engineer so that the sanity prevails in
>>them.
>>
>>The above lines in green are not mine instead taken from http://tech.
>>groups.yahoo. com/group/ TTABSNL/message/ 3019   these are said by our Ex-GS
>>Dhiraj Chaudhary.
>>
>>
>>
>>OneLAST Suggestion for Committee member (Mr.Hakam Singh), only if BSNLEU is
>>adamant on Telecom Executive for Telecom Operators then Demand not less than
>>EXECUTIVE ENGINEER for TTAs. In a one go we will be Engineer and Executive both.
>>;-) it has both the elements of Govt. and Corporate culture. As there is no
>>Designation of Executive left in Group-B and Group-A if management decided to
>>change its Group-B ranks to Managers then we may get a chance to get our desired
>>rank.
>>otherwise as per my previous mail oppose the executive word from Operators
>>designation. as fundamentally Group-C could not get executive word in its rank.
>>and Just Stick to our previous unanimous decision ofJE (T) Rank.
>>
>>I hope you finally got all suggestions, now its time for some action and firm
>>decision.
>>
>>Wish you tons of Good Luck.
>>
>>
>>Suggestions, Comments and Feedback is always welcomed.
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Bandhan Preet Singh,
>>Broadband Engineer (TTA,
>>Mohali, Chandigarh.
>>
>>
>>Think Different... Think Good..!!
>>
>>"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD,   DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
>

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3a. Re: JUSTICE, EQUALITY, LIBERTY and FRATERNITY
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:11 am ((PDT))

hi..

after reading some of the great thoughts like below i have concluded that
whatever the operators demands for themselves we should stick to our demand
of getting the good designation for ourselves... but my earlier concern was
that why operators gets better designation than us even if they are lower in
everything in comparison to us.
BSNL mgmt will surly automatically reject their plea.

anyway... *Junior Engineer or **Telecom Engineer* are equally good as per
poll and views of different TTAs. but no doubt *Junior Engineer* leads the
way ahead. As our earlier mentors Dhiraj Chaudhary and Chandan Samal very
well explained how Junior Engineer suits us the most.

*i want to share one real story with all of you here.*

One of my good frnd got new rented accommodation in mohali and there is some
problem in Electricity Meter. so he lodged the complaint with the
Electricity Board. And as expected no one turned up even after 5 days. In
between he once again booked the complaint over the phone. but when nothing
happened, he got irritated over the behavior of the Electricity deptt. and
so decided to visit the office personally. and when he finally reached the
office and asked for his pending complaint.. he was told to visit the JE
sahib cabin. and when he met the JE sahib and inquired about his pending
complaint the JE sahib told him to wait for few more days. Then my friend
Introduced himself as JE BSNL and asked for speedy rectification and
immediately after hearing that the complainant is JE BSNL. JE Sahib quickly
moved into action and asked for my frnd's file from the clerk and assured
him prompt action from his side and also offered him Tea. And finally the
fault is rectified on the very same day.
i just want to show the JE effect on the Govt deptt. or PSU deptt. i
personally have many examples which i cant share here. but i know most of
you know the reputation and recognition of a JE of any deptt. and must have
similar experiences in their life as well.

One more request to everybody.... pls pls pls try to conduct the AIC meeting
on 10th, 11th and 12th of September as per my previous mail
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TTABSNL/message/12739
i have three reasons for it:-
1st, all three days fall on Holidays.
2nd, i don't wanna miss BSNL day celebrations and award ceremony on 1st
october.
3rd, Sooner the meeting longer the time to decide the the future course of
action as Election for verification coming.

i hope GOA and Maharashtra people specially listening me..!!

*SNATTAians and SMARTians pls Help and support my views.*

regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:13 PM, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> Dear Sr Hakam and other friends,
> I agree with Bandhan and all others who have voted for the designation
> change to Junior Engineer(Telecom) and in fact Bandhan has very well
> elaborated in mail for the reasons behind it.
>
> **
>
> ** Junior Engineer is the most recognizable designation that we can have
> and we should not go for fancy and unrealistic demands.The BSNL management
> can give only what has been given in others PSUs and I do not think it will
> experiment much and try to create a sort of history by giving a fresh
> diploma an EXECUTIVE ENGG post,there is no precedence of such thing in other
> departments or PSUs.If we demand for so and so designation then we have to
> give them(management) proof of existence of such designations in other PSUs.
>
>
> Throught India various diploma engineer association have been fighting for
> common scale and designation and common service condition for diploma
> engineers.In Prasar Bharti they are called Engg Assistants,IOC calls the
> Technician(recently they have changed to engg assistant on pressure of
> unions/association,not agreeing to their demand for the JE desig),many state
> departments call them Subordinate Assistant Engg(WBSEB,Orissa),still others
> call then Overseer,some even recruit them at Junior Manager,Research
> institutes(defence,universities,etc) recruit them at technical assistant,and
> BSNL calls them TTA.
>
> With a view to bringing uniformity and harmony in designation it will be
> just and fair to demand that the existing designation for the cadre may
> immediately be dispensed with and be substituted as JUNIOR ENGINEER. For
> maintaining parity in the principle in force that whenever there remains an
> identity of all Degree holder Engineers (as Assistant Engineer, Executive
> Engineer, Superintending Engineer, Chief Engineer etc.) in any organization
> of the state or any where outside even in sub-division level as Assistant
> Engineers, why there shall not be similar uniform pattern of identity for
> the diploma engineers everywhere in the state as JUNIOR ENGINEER ? Govt. of
> India has re-designated the post of Sectional Officer in CPWD as Junior
> Engineer, vide Memo. No. 33/4/70-Adm IV dated 17-10-1970 and advised all
> Chief Secretaries of State to take similar action as regards with the post
> of Sectional Officers/Overseers/Sub-Assistant Engineers or otherwise in the
> state too vide his letter No. 12029(1) dated 16-09-1971.� All most all the
> States except West Bengal,Orissa,Bihar,CPWD,DOT had since accepted the
> advice of the Govt. of India and the designation of the Diploma Engineers
> has been renamed as JUNIOR ENGINEER.
>
> Therefore, in BSNL,Telecom Technical Assistants have been and are being
> deprived of having their status and prestige at par with all Junior
> Engineers in respect of JUSTICE, EQUALITY, LIBERTY and FRATERNITY as per
> proclamation of the Constitution of India and our demand for �JUNIOR
> ENGINEER� designation is being denied by the Govt. of India and now BSNL
> intentionally for more than a decade.
>
> The entire TTA (Diploma Engg)cadre is the victim of INJUSTICE, INEQUALITY,
> SUBJECTION and ENMITY. The Diploma Engg are really the �BEAST OF THE BURDEN
> IN THE DEPARTMENT� remarked by Hon�ble DAULAT HIGH POWER COMMISSION and it
> is an established and proven fact as each DE acts in the role of a surveyor,
> a planner, a designer, a supervisor, a clerk cum cashier, a messenger, a
> custodian, an organizer, an estimator, an accountant and above all a manager
> and what not ?
>
>
> *Vikas Kumar Gupta*
>
> *TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand*
>
> *9431100511*
>
>
> **
>
> *
> *
>
>
>

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

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3b. Re: JUSTICE, EQUALITY, LIBERTY and FRATERNITY
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:17 am ((PDT))

hi..

*i want to share one real story with all of you here.*

i hope GOA and Maharashtra people specially listening me..!!

*SNATTAians and SMARTians pls Help and support my views.*

regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:13 PM, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com>wrote:

--
regards,

*Bandhan Preet Singh,*
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

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4. Fw: go with JE
Posted by: "s h" shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in shah_pat_nib
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:12 am ((PDT))

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, s h <shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: s h <shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: go with JE
To: snattabihar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 6:38 PM

Dear All,
In my opinion, JE is the most appropriate term for the TTA whose min.qualification is Diploma Engineering. It is having a sense of gravity and widely accepted in the Govt. dept. as well as in most of the Govt undertakings. I am agree with the views of some of friends like Bandhan, Vikash and Deepak. Vikash has really very well analysed the whole scenario, I really enjoy going through his well drafted mails... and it is really "SNATTA's one of the birth demand and it is a long time dream for us. It has a unique identity in the society" as written by Avilash.

So, Hakkam jee please take it seriously and go ahead.

With all the best.
Shahnawaz Akhtar
CS, Bihar
9431094583

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5.1. Re: Designation Matter....Thanks Mr Abhilash & others....Must Read (
Posted by: "surinder mittal" mittals3_surinder@yahoo.com mittals3_surinder
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:12 am ((PDT))

Dear Abhilash....

Thanks for the Valuable Criticism...But u have not gone through mine mail completely....

Yours Query wise reply is as follows....

1. As i have mentioned earlier that the Assistant word in the begining is dangerous for us but if it is at Last, then its OK. Please read the blog posting in complete and then act accordingly.

2. Secondly, Every person should feel Proud for something in him/her and i m very much proudy (not Ghamandee) that i am quite capable of giving the Replies as CPIO (agar main hota...), but in this case, My fear about RTI is that, i can not accept being acting as RTI Custodian at the cost of present Pay Scales (of TTA cadre). if you really dont fear about the RTI, then ask for not only the Functional udgradation but also for the Financial upgradation. I feel gratiful if the management make me CPIO at the applicable scales of the CPIO. (JTO and SDE cadres to cheez he kya hain....).

3. Thirdly...i m thinking not only for the JTO or SDE cadre, but mine eyes are on MT Cadre, with more responsibilities and Ofcourse with More bucks in mine wallet. Later or Sooner, we all will become the JTOs but for MT......(God Knows...).

Lastly....i wish ......

"May GOD complete your wish to see me as CPIO giving replies to the RTI applications....Thanks a lot and lot".

Criticism Welcomed as Always.....

Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939

Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
Punjab Telecom Circle
Abohar (152116)
Reachable @ 09417583939

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, abhilash v <abhilash_ok@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: abhilash v <abhilash_ok@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: TTABSNL KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Must Read (@09417583939)
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 2:27 AM

Dear Surinder,
Why are you afraid of taking responsibilities? Then why are you trying to become a JTO or SDE? If you get the promotion then definitely you have to take more and more responsibilities.
You were frequently asking others to use RTI for each and everything. Do you think that replying to your RTIs were a funny job to the concerned officers? If you think replying to RTI is a worst one then why are you trying to make that officers life difficult? You need all the rules will be there to make your life so smooth and others a tough one. I am waiting for a day that you are replying to RTIs...
You said that if the word 'assistant' is there in a designation then that post cannot be made responsible for RTIs. If so then what about AE(Assistant Engineer) and AXE(Assistant Executive Engineer)?. There is the word 'assistant' but they are responsible for RTI. So if the profile of a post doesn't change then nothing to do with the responsibilities.
I fully support the views of Bandhan and Vikas. JE was SNATTA's one of the birth demand and it is a long time dream for us. It has a unique identity in the society. I request Hakam to go on with our already decided objective. Don't dilute it.

Abhilash V
CC,Kerala.
09447700766

--- On Sun, 18/7/10, surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com>
Subject: TTABSNL KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Must Read (@09417583939)
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Cc: ranjinihp@yahoo. co.in, ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, 18 July, 2010, 1:47 PM

Designation as Suggested by Mr Huda (TTA Chennai):

TELECOM SERVICE ENGINEER(BB) ,
TELECOM SERVICE ENGINEER(RSU)
may be better. Please cut off the word ASSISTANT. It is no longer required. Even if we assist the JTO, SDE, De etc we will be responsible for our work.

Designation as Suggested by Me:

TELECOM SUPPORT ENGINEER (BB)
TELECOM SUPPORT ENGINEER (RSU)
TELECOM SUPPORT ENGINEER (CCN)
TELECOM SUPPORT ENGINEER (RURAL)
TELECOM SUPPORT ENGINEER (URBAN) etc.

Support staff can't be held responsible for any type of superios's Lapse as per the RTI Act Provisions but the SERVICE staff may be accountable for the Consumer Court cases as we are charging the service tax in the bills of any product of the BSNL services. Service staff may escape from the knife of RTI act also but for each and every time, they have to prevent theirs skins with written communications to their superiors (as court follows the
written documents as by law) which will be surely lapsed by our fresh recruited friends.

So please have common discussions. .....

Comments from Mr Neeraj Gupta (UP) are urgently needed on this matter through this group please.

Surinder Mittal

Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
Punjab Telecom Circle
Abohar (152116)
Reachable @ 09417583939

--- On Sun, 18/7/10, surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com>
Subject: TTABSNL KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Designati on as suggested by Mr Huda (TTA-Chennai)
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, 18 July, 2010, 12:28 AM

Excellent Mr Huda.....

These are the designations which i m looking for....

Kind Attention : Mr Hakam Singh, these designations as suggested by Mr Huda are the excellent... ..it covers all the safe gaurds as per the worries related to RTI Act.

Surinder Mittal

--- On Sun, 7/18/10, shamsul huda <huda_muthaleef@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: shamsul huda <huda_muthaleef@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: MOST BURNING..... Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939
To: "s. mittal" <mittals3@yahoo. com>, designationchange@ gmail.com, "SNATTA"
<ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>
Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 12:20 AM

Dear Friends,

It occurs to me, that designation change is not going to make us any better. But still we have a right to demand a better designation considering our junior TTAs, who have a long way to go in this company.

Considering the TTA'a qualification, it is good to hold the name ENGINEER. Our jobs include BB service, Customer service, RSU maintenance etc. So ' TELECOM SERVICE ENGINEER(BB) , TELECOM SERVICE ENGINEER(RSU) ETC may be better. Please cut off the word ASSISTANT. It is no longer required. Even if we assist the JTO, SDE, De etc we will be responsible for our work.

Regards,
SHAMSUL HUDA, TTA, CHENNAI

--- On Sat, 17/7/10, s. mittal <mittals3@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: s. mittal <mittals3@yahoo. com>
Subject: Fw: MOST BURNING..... Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939
To: ak_hello@yahoo. co.in, "appu appu" <bsen_77@yahoo. co.in>, "bihari" <bn9676@yahoo. co.in>, bpskkp@yahoo. co.in, bsnlletters@
yahoo.com, dev_c2000@yahoo. com, dev2006@gmail. com, email13@gmail. com, "vishnu goyal" <goyalvishnu_ 2000@yahoo. co.in>, "hem" <hem_bsnl@yahoo. co.in>, "shamsul huda" <huda_muthaleef@ yahoo.com>, jatinder261@ gmail.com, jtocc@rediffmail. com, jyoti786@rediffmail .com, maansaha@yahoo. com, mathavakutti@ yahoo.com, mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com, naresh1654_bgarh@ yahoo.co. in, navdeepamb@yahoo.
co.in, naveen.mehta@ ambujacement. com, neeraj_udsc@ yahoo.com, nk28ahuja@yahoo. com, pankajnpatil@ yahoo.com, rajendrabsnl@ yahoo.co. in, sampad_swain2002@ yahoo.co. in, sandeep_bsnl123@ yahoo.com, sandip4net@yahoo. co.in, sandipkmodi@ rediffmail. com, "RAKESH SEHGAL" <rakesh_sehgal75@ yahoo.com>, shailesh_dhande@ rediffmail. com, shailly1979@ gmail.com, shyampathak55@ gmail.com, sidheshgauns@ yahoo.com, sjd_4u@yahoo. com, sonalmalviya_ 12@yahoo. com, sonalmalviya12@ gmail.com, successlalu@ yahoo.com, "tejas" <tejas_tadsare@ yahoo.co. uk>, tta5year@yahoogroup s.com, ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com, "vinod yadav" <vinoyadav@gmail. com>
Date: Saturday, 17 July, 2010, 7:27 PM

--- On Sat, 7/17/10, surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com>
Subject: MOST BURNING..... Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Cc: mittals3@yahoo. com, ranjinihp@yahoo. co.in, ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com
Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 9:52 AM

Dear all Friends....

it seems very rediculous that only a few friends are making involve in the discussion of the Designation Change scenerio. what the hell is going on to all of
you. this matter also have the similar impact on our corporate life as our court cases will be.

None of the guys (even 1%) has participated and Once they will got finalized in the ABSENCE of Valuable Suggestions from your side, there will be certain murmur from everyside. Everyone will then say that "designation ye hone chahiye tha, wo hona chahiye tha aur ye karwa diya...., Marwa diya etc etc).

Dear friends....please participate in active and healthy discussion as Mr. Hakam Singh is also a person by identity and we must offer him the highest help to make him feel bit relexed for the forthcoming meeting for the designation change. we all have a limited thinking but collectively we can become a "THINK TANK" and please u all help him out so that he may have the widest thinking support. This matter is highly burning and most important to us.

i m sure that all our friends will shook off their heads for active and healthy
discussion.

so please spare some time for this never before discussion.

Comments Welcomed as Always.....

Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939

Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
Punjab Telecom Circle
Abohar (152116)
Reachable @ 09417583939

--- On
Fri, 1 6/7/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com>
Subject: TTABSNL TO ALL MEMBERS OF SNATTA
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Cc: "snatta headquater" <snattachq@gmail. com>, snattapunjab@ gmail.com, email13@gmail. com
Date: Friday, 16 July, 2010, 11:20 AM

Dear Friends,
First of all i personally thanks to all members who have submitted their views regarding designation change , it is very nice to see a different views with full support submitted by surinder from abhohar & valuable suggestion by our bandhan(BP). I have attended a meeting on 29/6/2010 but bandhan acoording to your worry , i want to make clear that in meeting on 29/6/2010 , NOTHING HAS AGREED BY ME. If you read again my mail to yahoo group on 30/6/2010 regarding detail of meeting & detail submitted by BSNLEU on their website , it is very clear that nothing has been agreed in meeting of 29/6/2010.We have just submitted our proposal & in this process i have also submitted the demand of snatta i.e JUNIOR ENGINEER TELECOM. Dear bandhan you have noticed a point related to designation
change nemenclature on 29/6/2010 but opend your views today after 17 days passed the meeting , so please give views immediately if again you have more views on designationchange@ gmail.com , please dont wait such a long time to give any more valuable suggestions.
any suggestions by our members is very useful so again i request to all members that please give your valuable suggestions OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE NO MEANING OF SUGGESTIONS/ DISCUSSIONS AFTER THE FINAL DECISION.We should must come to final point before FINAL DECISION OF DESIGNATION CHANGE COMMITTEE.
WITH REGARDS,
HAKAM SINGH,
CS-SNATTA-PB,
09417277177.

--- On Fri, 16/7/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com> wrote:

Dear Friends,

First of all i personally thanks to all members who have submitted their views regarding designation change , it is very nice to see a different views with full support submitted by surinder from abhohar & valuable suggestion by our bandhan(BP). I have attended a meeting on 29/6/2010 but bandhan acoording to your worry , i want to make clear that in meeting on 29/6/2010 , NOTHING HAS AGREED BY ME. If you read again my mail to yahoo group on 30/6/2010 regarding detail of meeting & detail submitted by BSNLEU on their website , it is very clear that nothing has been agreed in meeting of 29/6/2010.We have just submitted our proposal & in this process i have also submitted the demand of snatta i.e JUNIOR ENGINEER TELECOM. Dear bandhan you have noticed a point related to designation change nemenclature on 29/6/2010 but opend your views today after 17 days passed the meeting , so please give views
immediately if again you have more views on designationchange@ gmail.com , please dont wait such a long time to give any more valuable suggestions.

any suggestions by our members is very useful so again i request to all members that please give your valuable suggestions OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE NO MEANING OF SUGGESTIONS/ DISCUSSIONS AFTER THE FINAL DECISION.We should must come to final point before FINAL DECISION OF DESIGNATION CHANGE COMMITTEE.

WITH REGARDS,
HAKAM SINGH,
CS-SNATTA-PB,
09417277177.

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6a. Re: EPF CALCULATOR
Posted by: "Ashish Agrawal" ashish_khurai@yahoo.co.in ashish_khurai
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:13 am ((PDT))

A letter related to EPF 3A & 6A form (annual statement of EPF from BSNL Side) attached with this mail for your info.In this letter clearly mentioned that every BSNL employee can demand thier EPF 3A & 6A form their DDO's.
Ashish Agrawal BSNL Shivpuri M.P. 9425488666 07492-201000

--- On Wed, 7/4/10, Nitya Kishore Pandey <nityakishorepandey@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: Nitya Kishore Pandey <nityakishorepandey@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: [TTABSNL] EPF CALCULATOR
To: "TTABSNL SNATTA" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 7:59 PM

Here is the EPF calculator which I made in MS-EXCEL. Just download it and enter the following:-
1. year
2. rate of intrest of that year
3. any O.B.(opening balance) for employee and eployer in coulumn next to O.B.
4. enter all your monthly contribution in the coulumn of each month in employees contribution only
5. and if you get any arrear amount and e.p.f subscription is deducted from that amount then enter the deduted amount in the arrear recovery column of employees only for that month.
You will get the C.B. (Closing balance) of employee and employer for that year.
You can also copy the rows below the row 2 next to the last row and in the same manner you can get the next year calculation.
This calculator gives the exact figure of your intrest and C.B.that you can match with your epf slip which you get from the E.P.F. office.
If any deficiency in this calculator please send the feedback.

NITYA KISHORE PANDEY
LCM MEMBER
TTA UJJAIN (M.P.)
9424560922

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7a. Re: no need to fear RTI
Posted by: "surinder mittal" mittals3_surinder@yahoo.com mittals3_surinder
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:17 am ((PDT))

Very Well Said Mr Gupta....

Mine fear is not that we may be made Custodians. Every TTA ( i m sure) is capable of sharing that responsibility but myworriness is that "Mgmt will send u the letter to give information with a tag that u have to give information within 24 Hrs or 48 Hrs". this has happened actually for the custodians here. Since we are todays Guys who have no access to the old documents and circulers... then how we will reach at that info. My worriness is this only. "Aaj hamara yeh haal hai ke...if we wish to fight for ours liberty (as our court cases for JTOs, then we have to seek the help of entire TTA domain nationwide) but in this case, we have to suppy the answer with in 24 hours or less.

I know, mine PERSONAL EXPLANATION is Personal and it is not going to affect the SNATTA Thinktank at all, but in this Public plateform, i feel satisfied that i have put forth mine Worries and thoughts.....

Thanks all for yours patience Hearings......

Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939

Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
Punjab Telecom Circle
Abohar (152116)
Reachable @ 09417583939

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com>
Subject: TTABSNL no need to fear RTI
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 12:17 AM

Dear Surinder,
Untitled1

As per THE
RIGHT TO INFORMATION ACT, 2005 No. 22 of 2005,

"information"
means any material in any form, including records, documents, memos, e-mails,
opinions, advices, press releases, circulars, orders, logbooks, contracts,
reports, papers, samples, models, data material held in any electronic form

"record" includes—

(a) any
document, manuscript and file;

(b) any
microfilm, microfiche and facsimile copy of a document;

(d) any
other material produced by a computer or any other device;

"right
to information" means the right to information accessible under this Act
which is held by or under the control of any public authority and includes the
right to—

(i) inspection
of work, documents, records;

(ii)
taking notes, extracts or certified copies of documents or
records;

(iii)
taking certified samples of material;

(iv)
obtaining information in the form of diskettes, floppies, tapes,
video cassettes or in any other electronic mode or through printouts where such
information is stored in a computer or in any other device;

You yourself have used this act to get various information
in BSNL and you must have a fairly good idea of drafting RTI applications so
that it does not get rejected by PIOs.Therefore you must understand that
applications asking for "WHY" are more likely to be rejected, like why my
BB,landline,mobile,etc has not been installed? why it is 4 for DOT opted and
8 for first pay upgradation?etc etc are likely to be rejected but if you ask "WHAT"
you will get the desired information. What is rule for this or that? What is
the current status?
A JE may be made a custodian of an information
sought by the RTI applicant but he cannot be held responsible for the lapses
of his seniors (JTO, SDEs).Every type of report we generally supply to our
officers in daily to daily work is generated by the machine, computer,server,etc
that do not need to be signed by us as we do not prepare it manually and
accuracy or inaccuracy of it depends on the machine.

There is provision of fine if the information is not
supplied within the timeframe prescribed, or the information id forged,
incomplete and out of context but that too when the applicant move to appellate
authorities. Anyway the CPIO would be held responsible for the delay and fine
if any would be recovered from his salary and not from the custodians.

So no need to fear friends, even if a JE is made
custodian there is no need to worry as long as you stick to the time limits.
Just send the reports, whatever it be(do not manipulate, forge or send inaccurate
or incomplete data to please your bosses) to higher officers and be happy.

Vikas Kumar GuptaTTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand9431100511

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7b. Re: no need to fear RTI
Posted by: "shahulhameed noorulameen" noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in noorulameen2006
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:24 am ((PDT))

Dear VK Gupta,
It is true that the information sought on RTI is answered normally by SDE or JTO
which is endorsed by CPIO or CIO of the Circle, Likewise, when I asked some
information from BSNL Bhavan and also from my Circle, The Circle CPIO has
forwarded what we posted in our website regarding the age relaxation for JTO
LICE whereas the BSNL Bhawan could reply with a positive information pertaining
to my requirement or question. I was grateful to them. So, we need not to worry
of taking some burden or responsibility in disseminating what infor is with us,
which can be useful to the public.
Also it is true that the question of 'Why' may not be answered. It is a good
advice for all to follow the right step to get information thru RTI Act.
Regards
SN Ameen, TTA

Jeddah, KSA

________________________________
From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 10:17:25 AM
Subject: TTABSNL no need to fear RTI

Dear Surinder,

As per THE RIGHT TO INFORMATION ACT, 2005 No. 22 of 2005,

"information" means any material in any form, including records, documents,
memos, e-mails, opinions, advices, press releases, circulars, orders, logbooks,
contracts, reports, papers, samples, models, data material held in any
electronic form

"record" includes—

(a) any document, manuscript and file;

(b) any microfilm, microfiche and facsimile copy of a document;

(c) any reproduction of image or images embodied in such microfilm (whether
enlarged or not); and

(d) any other material produced by a computer or any other device;

"right to information" means the right to information accessible under this Act
which is held by or under the control of any public authority and includes the
right to—

(i) inspection of work, documents, records;

(ii) taking notes, extracts or certified copies of documents or records;

(iii) taking certified samples of material;

(iv) obtaining information in the form of diskettes, floppies, tapes, video
cassettes or in any other electronic mode or through printouts where such
information is stored in a computer or in any other device;

The purpose of this act is to "secure access to information under the control of
public authorities, in order to promote transparency and accountability in the
working of every public authority" but it does not in any way intends to create
information.Only such information which do exist in any form can be provided to
the applicant.

You yourself have used this act to get various information in BSNL and you must
have a fairly good idea of drafting RTI applications so that it does not get
rejected by PIOs.Therefore you must understand that applications asking for
"WHY" are more likely to be rejected, like why my BB,landline,mobile,etc has not
been installed? why it is 4 for DOT opted and 8 for first pay upgradation?etc
etc are likely to be rejected but if you ask "WHAT" you will get the desired
information. What is rule for this or that? What is the current status?
A JE may be made a custodian of an information sought by the RTI applicant but
he cannot be held responsible for the lapses of his seniors (JTO, SDEs).Every
type of report we generally supply to our officers in daily to daily work is
generated by the machine, computer,server,etc that do not need to be signed by
us as we do not prepare it manually and accuracy or inaccuracy of it depends on
the machine.

There is provision of fine if the information is not supplied within the
timeframe prescribed, or the information id forged, incomplete and out of
context but that too when the applicant move to appellate authorities. Anyway
the CPIO would be held responsible for the delay and fine if any would be
recovered from his salary and not from the custodians.

So no need to fear friends, even if a JE is made custodian there is no need to
worry as long as you stick to the time limits. Just send the reports, whatever
it be(do not manipulate, forge or send inaccurate or incomplete data to please
your bosses) to higher officers and be happy.

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511

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8. DESIGNATION CHANGE
Posted by: "JASVIR JASSAL" jasvir_jassal@yahoo.com jasvir_jassal
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:17 am ((PDT))

Friends,

It is nice to see , very valuable suggestions were given by our SURINDER , BANDHAN,& VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA in special & many other members in general.The views given by above three gentlemen of snatta were very appreciable , new ideas & with right support.My special & personal request to above gentlemen is please think & give suggestions until we get our goal of new designation.

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9.1. Re: KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Must Read (@09417583939)
Posted by: "muralidharan muralidharan" ranjumd@yahoo.co.in ranjumd
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:19 am ((PDT))

Dear Abhilash,
Afraid of responsibility ? Funny!!!!!!
The question is that without any remuneration you want work with responsibility.
I Think all over the TTAs are only responsible , obedient and Hard working in fact fearing too because of their qualification and decent behavior .
Our demand is that we are technically qualified and nature of the work is technical and why can't be called as Engineer instead Asst. We have got enough managerial level qualified TTAs too.

A Muralidharan TTA

District President SNATTA Trichy SSA

Tamil Nadu

--- On Tue, 20/7/10, abhilash v <abhilash_ok@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: abhilash v <abhilash_ok@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: TTABSNL KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Must Read (@09417583939)
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 2:57 PM

Abhilash V
CC,Kerala.
09447700766

--- On Sun, 18/7/10, surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Designation as Suggested by Mr Huda (TTA Chennai):

Designation as Suggested by Me:

TELECOM SUPPORT ENGINEER (BB)
TELECOM SUPPORT ENGINEER (RSU)
TELECOM SUPPORT ENGINEER (CCN)
TELECOM SUPPORT ENGINEER (RURAL)
TELECOM SUPPORT ENGINEER (URBAN) etc.

So please have common discussions. .....

Comments from Mr Neeraj Gupta (UP) are urgently needed on this matter through this group please.

Surinder Mittal

Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
Punjab Telecom Circle
Abohar (152116)
Reachable @ 09417583939

--- On Sun, 18/7/10, surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Excellent Mr Huda.....

These are the designations which i m looking for....

Kind Attention : Mr Hakam Singh, these designations as suggested by Mr Huda are the excellent... ..it covers all the safe gaurds as per the worries related to RTI Act.

Surinder Mittal

--- On Sun, 7/18/10, shamsul huda <huda_muthaleef@ yahoo.com> wrote:

--- On Sat, 17/7/10, s. mittal <mittals3@yahoo. com> wrote:

--- On Sat, 7/17/10, surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear all Friends....

i m sure that all our friends will shook off their heads for active and healthy
discussion.

so please spare some time for this never before discussion.

Comments Welcomed as Always.....

Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939

Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
Punjab Telecom Circle
Abohar (152116)
Reachable @ 09417583939

--- On
Fri, 1 6/7/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com> wrote:

--- On Fri, 16/7/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com> wrote:

Dear Friends,

WITH REGARDS,
HAKAM SINGH,
CS-SNATTA-PB,
09417277177.

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9.2. Re: KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Must Read (@09417583939)
Posted by: "shahulhameed noorulameen" noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in noorulameen2006
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:28 am ((PDT))

Dear Mr. Abhilash,
A good & prompt reply cum advice to Mr. Surinder. As we know that so many DRTTAs
are manning some vital posts like Customer Care, Grievance Cell, Broad Band cell
etc. in BSNL, it is high time to take more and more responsibilities and show
the Mgmt that we r nothing less than any executives in taking more works for the
benefit of BSNL.
What is the outcome of your Circle Conference proposed to be held on 18.7.2010?
I look forward for your sincere initiatives to bury the differences of
opinion from new entries, which were felt more from your circle, if I am not
wrong,
SN Ameen

Jeddah, KSA

________________________________
From: abhilash v <abhilash_ok@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 12:27:06 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Must Read (@09417583939)

Dear Surinder,
Why are you afraid of taking responsibilities? Then why are you trying to become
a JTO or SDE? If you get the promotion then definitely you have to take more and
more responsibilities.
You were frequently asking others to use RTI for each and everything. Do you
think that replying to your RTIs were a funny job to the concerned officers? If
you think replying to RTI is a worst one then why are you trying to make that
officers life difficult? You need all the rules will be there to make your life
so smooth and others a tough one. I am waiting for a day that you are replying
to RTIs...
You said that if the word 'assistant' is there in a designation then that post
cannot be made responsible for RTIs. If so then what about AE(Assistant
Engineer) and AXE(Assistant Executive Engineer)?. There is the word 'assistant'
but they are responsible for RTI. So if the profile of a post doesn't change
then nothing to do with the responsibilities.
I fully support the views of Bandhan and Vikas. JE was SNATTA's one of the birth
demand and it is a long time dream for us. It has a unique identity in the
society. I request Hakam to go on with our already decided objective. Don't
dilute it.

Abhilash V
CC,Kerala.
09447700766

--- On Sun, 18/7/10, surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>From: surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com>
>Subject: TTABSNL KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Must Read (@09417583939)
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Cc: ranjinihp@yahoo. co.in, ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com
>Date: Sunday, 18 July, 2010, 1:47 PM
>
>
>
>Designation as Suggested by Mr Huda (TTA Chennai):
>
>TELECOM SERVICE ENGINEER(BB) ,
>TELECOM SERVICE ENGINEER(RSU)
>may be better. Please cut off the word ASSISTANT. It is no longer required. Even
>if we assist the JTO, SDE, De etc we will be responsible for our work.
>
>Designation as Suggested by Me:
>
>TELECOM SUPPORTENGINEER (BB)
>TELECOM SUPPORTENGINEER (RSU)
>TELECOM SUPPORTENGINEER (CCN)
>TELECOM SUPPORTENGINEER (RURAL)
>TELECOM SUPPORTENGINEER (URBAN) etc.
>
>Support staff can't be held responsible for any type of superios's Lapse as per
>the RTI Act Provisions but the SERVICE staff may be accountable for the Consumer
>Court cases as we are charging the service tax in the bills of any product of
>the BSNL services. Service staff may escape from the knife of RTI act also but
>for each and every time, they have to prevent theirs skins with written
>communications to their superiors (as court follows the written documents as by
>law) which will be surely lapsed by our fresh recruited friends.
>
>So please have common discussions. .....
>
>Comments from Mr Neeraj Gupta (UP) are urgently needed on this matter through
>this group please.
>
>
>Surinder Mittal
>
>Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
>Punjab Telecom Circle
>Abohar (152116)
>Reachable @ 09417583939
>
>
>--- On Sun, 18/7/10, surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com>
>>Subject: TTABSNL KA: Mr Hakam Singh & others....Designati on as suggested by Mr
>>Huda (TTA-Chennai)
>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>>Date: Sunday, 18 July, 2010, 12:28 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Excellent Mr Huda.....
>>
>>These are the designations which i m looking for....
>>
>>Kind Attention : Mr Hakam Singh, these designations as suggested by Mr Huda are
>>the excellent... ..it covers all the safe gaurds as per the worries related to
>>RTI Act.
>>
>>
>>Surinder Mittal
>>
>>--- On Sun, 7/18/10, shamsul huda <huda_muthaleef@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>From: shamsul huda <huda_muthaleef@ yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: Fw: MOST BURNING..... Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939
>>To: "s. mittal" <mittals3@yahoo. com>, designationchange@ gmail.com, "SNATTA"
>><ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>
>>Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 12:20 AM
>>
>>
>>Dear Friends,
>>
>> It occurs to me, that designation change is not going to make us any better.
>>But still we have a right to demand a better designation considering our junior
>>TTAs, who have a long way to go in this company.
>>
>>Considering the TTA'a qualification, it is good to hold the name ENGINEER. Our
>>jobs include BB service, Customer service, RSU maintenance etc. So ' TELECOM
>>SERVICE ENGINEER(BB) , TELECOM SERVICE ENGINEER(RSU) ETC may be better. Please
>>cut off the word ASSISTANT. It is no longer required. Even if we assist the JTO,
>>SDE, De etc we will be responsible for our work.
>>
>>Regards,
>>SHAMSUL HUDA, TTA, CHENNAI
>>
>>--- On Sat, 17/7/10, s. mittal <mittals3@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>>From: s. mittal <mittals3@yahoo. com>
>>Subject: Fw: MOST BURNING..... Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939
>>To: ak_hello@yahoo. co.in, "appu appu" <bsen_77@yahoo. co.in>, "bihari"
>><bn9676@yahoo. co.in>, bpskkp@yahoo. co.in, bsnlletters@ yahoo.com,
>>dev_c2000@yahoo. com, dev2006@gmail. com, email13@gmail. com, "vishnu goyal"
>><goyalvishnu_ 2000@yahoo. co.in>, "hem" <hem_bsnl@yahoo. co.in>, "shamsul huda"
>><huda_muthaleef@ yahoo.com>, jatinder261@ gmail.com, jtocc@rediffmail. com,
>>jyoti786@rediffmail .com, maansaha@yahoo. com, mathavakutti@ yahoo.com,
>>mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com, naresh1654_bgarh@ yahoo.co. in, navdeepamb@yahoo.
>>co.in, naveen.mehta@ ambujacement. com, neeraj_udsc@ yahoo.com, nk28ahuja@yahoo.
>>com, pankajnpatil@ yahoo.com, rajendrabsnl@ yahoo.co. in, sampad_swain2002@
>>yahoo.co. in, sandeep_bsnl123@ yahoo.com, sandip4net@yahoo. co.in, sandipkmodi@
>>rediffmail. com, "RAKESH SEHGAL" <rakesh_sehgal75@ yahoo.com>, shailesh_dhande@
>>rediffmail. com, shailly1979@ gmail.com, shyampathak55@ gmail.com, sidheshgauns@
>>yahoo.com, sjd_4u@yahoo. com, sonalmalviya_ 12@yahoo. com, sonalmalviya12@
>>gmail.com, successlalu@ yahoo.com, "tejas" <tejas_tadsare@ yahoo.co. uk>,
>>tta5year@yahoogroup s.com, ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com, "vinod yadav"
>><vinoyadav@gmail. com>
>>Date: Saturday, 17 July, 2010, 7:27 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>--- On Sat, 7/17/10, surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>From: surinder mittal <mittals3_surinder@ yahoo.com>
>>Subject: MOST BURNING..... Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939
>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>>Cc: mittals3@yahoo. com, ranjinihp@yahoo. co.in, ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com
>>Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 9:52 AM
>>
>>Dear all Friends....
>>
>>it seems very rediculous that only a few friends are making involve in the
>>discussion of the Designation Change scenerio. what the hell is going on to all
>>of you. this matter also have the similar impact on our corporate life as our
>>court cases will be.
>>
>>None of the guys (even 1%) has participated and Once they will got finalized in
>>the ABSENCE of Valuable Suggestions from your side, there will be certain murmur
>>from everyside. Everyone will then say that "designation ye hone chahiye tha, wo
>>hona chahiye tha aur ye karwa diya...., Marwa diya etc etc).
>>
>>Dear friends....please participate in active and healthy discussion as Mr. Hakam
>>Singh is also a person by identity and we must offer him the highest help to
>>make him feel bit relexed for the forthcoming meeting for the designation
>>change. we all have a limited thinking but collectively we can become a "THINK
>>TANK" and please u all help him out so that he may have the widest thinking
>>support. This matter is highly burning and most important to us.
>>
>>i m sure that all our friends will shook off their heads for active and healthy
>>discussion.
>>
>>so please spare some time for this never before discussion.
>>
>>
>>Comments Welcomed as Always.....
>>
>>Surinder Mittal @ 09417583939
>>
>>Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
>>Punjab Telecom Circle
>>Abohar (152116)
>>Reachable @ 09417583939
>>
>>
>>--- On Fri, 1 6/7/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj
>>ab@gmail. com> wrote:
>>
>>From: Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com>
>>Subject: TTABSNL TO ALL MEMBERS OF SNATTA
>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>>Cc: "snatta headquater" <snattachq@gmail. com>, snattapunjab@ gmail.com,
>>email13@gmail. com
>>Date: Friday, 16 July, 2010, 11:20 AM
>>
>>
>>Dear Friends,
>>First of all i personally thanks to all members who have submitted their views
>>regarding designation change , it is very nice to see a different views with
>>full support submitted by surinder from abhohar & valuable suggestion by our
>>bandhan(BP). I have attended a meeting on 29/6/2010 but bandhan acoording to
>>your worry , i want to make clear that in meeting on 29/6/2010 , NOTHING HAS
>>AGREED BY ME. If you read again my mail to yahoo group on 30/6/2010 regarding
>>detail of meeting & detail submitted by BSNLEU on their website , it is very
>>clear that nothing has been agreed in meeting of 29/6/2010.We have just
>>submitted our proposal & in this process i have also submitted the demand of
>>snatta i.e JUNIOR ENGINEER TELECOM. Dear bandhan you have noticed a point
>>related to designation change nemenclature on 29/6/2010 but opend your views
>>today after 17 days passed the meeting , so please give views immediately if
>>again you have more views on designationchange@ gmail.com , please dont wait
>>such a long time to give any more valuable suggestions.
>>any suggestions by our members is very useful so again i request to all members
>>that please give your valuable suggestions OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE NO MEANING OF
>>SUGGESTIONS/ DISCUSSIONS AFTER THE FINAL DECISION.We should must come to final
>>point before FINAL DECISION OF DESIGNATION CHANGE COMMITTEE.
>>WITH REGARDS,
>>HAKAM SINGH,
>>CS-SNATTA-PB,
>>09417277177.
>>
>>
>>
>>--- On Fri, 16/7/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj
>>ab@gmail. com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com>
>>>Subject: TTABSNL TO ALL MEMBERS OF SNATTA
>>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>>>Cc: "snatta headquater" <snattachq@gmail. com>, snattapunjab@ gmail.com,
>>>email13@gmail. com
>>>Date: Friday, 16 July, 2010, 11:20 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Friends,
>>>First of all i personally thanks to all members who have submitted their views
>>>regarding designation change , it is very nice to see a different views with
>>>full support submitted by surinder from abhohar & valuable suggestion by our
>>>bandhan(BP). I have attended a meeting on 29/6/2010 but bandhan acoording to
>>>your worry , i want to make clear that in meeting on 29/6/2010 , NOTHING HAS
>>>AGREED BY ME. If you read again my mail to yahoo group on 30/6/2010 regarding
>>>detail of meeting & detail submitted by BSNLEU on their website , it is very
>>>clear that nothing has been agreed in meeting of 29/6/2010.We have just
>>>submitted our proposal & in this process i have also submitted the demand of
>>>snatta i.e JUNIOR ENGINEER TELECOM. Dear bandhan you have noticed a point
>>>related to designation change nemenclature on 29/6/2010 but opend your views
>>>today after 17 days passed the meeting , so please give views immediately if
>>>again you have more views on designationchange@ gmail.com , please dont wait
>>>such a long time to give any more valuable suggestions.
>>>any suggestions by our members is very useful so again i request to all members
>>>that please give your valuable suggestions OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE NO MEANING OF
>>>SUGGESTIONS/ DISCUSSIONS AFTER THE FINAL DECISION.We should must come to final
>>>point before FINAL DECISION OF DESIGNATION CHANGE COMMITTEE.
>>>WITH REGARDS,
>>>HAKAM SINGH,
>>>CS-SNATTA-PB,
>>>09417277177.
>>
>

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10. Participate in various Polls of your interest here.
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:21 am ((PDT))

hi friends,
you can Participate in various Polls of your interest at below link.

just open the link and vote in various polls covering different subjects.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TTABSNL/polls

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

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11. Patna SSA meeting
Posted by: "s h" shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in shah_pat_nib
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:22 am ((PDT))

Dear friends

All TTAs of Patna SSA are requested to attend the meeting at main exchange at 3 p.m. to discuss how to organise the Circle Conference on 25/07/10 (sunday) and other related matters. Please come in time and let others be informed. .I have already sent messege to most of friends.
See you tomorrow.

Shahnawaz Akhtar
CS, Bihar
Patna 9431094583

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12. Gratuity and leave encashment on resignation
Posted by: "shatru singh" shatru4mail@yahoo.com shatru4mail
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:24 am ((PDT))

hi freids
i have resigned after 8 yrs of service on personal ground. If any of TTA freind know the procedure to get the Leave encashment and Gratuity from BSNL, Please revert me it will be great help for me....
any one who know the familiar cases of resignation may mail or call.

Warm Regards
Shatrughan Kumar Singh
Contact:8800490690
mail me at : shatru4mail@yahoo.com
or : shatrughan.singh@nsn.com

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13a. Re: usb driver for CDMA fwt linktop model no. wf836f
Posted by: "Yasin Sindhi" ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in ygsindhi_mln
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:24 am ((PDT))

Dear Friend Plz find the attached filee of USB driver for Linktop Model wf836f,

Regards,
Er.Yasin Sindhi
BSC-WLL, PALANPUR (N.G.)
M: +919429361555

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From: rajani kartik <rajanikartik@yahoo.co.in>
To: tta group <TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 1:23:56 PM
Subject: TTABSNL usb driver for CDMA fwt linktop model no. wf836f

if anybody having usb driver (o.s windows xp) for cdma fwt linktop model no.
wf836f, then please mail me.

thanks.

kartik rajani
Bhavnagar

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14. Mouth Ulcers: Health Tip of the Day!
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:28 am ((PDT))

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

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15a. Re: Finally I have paid "Building Fund".
Posted by: "Sandip Solanki" sandip4net@yahoo.co.in sandip4net
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:40 am ((PDT))

Hi Devendra,

You are right at your point.
We should understand the ethics of unionism. When it is about joining STRIKES,
paying subscriptions etc.. there is a need to explain things by any means ( that
may be the website ).
When we are not asked for fund why should we claify that at CHQ level ?
I think you will now understand the thing.
BSNLEU members are asked for FUND not alliance partners !!!!!!!!!

Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440

________________________________
From: devendra singh <dksgurdaspur@yahoo.co.uk>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 17 July, 2010 5:43:47 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Re: Finally I have paid "Building Fund".

Dear Sandeep,
Your lines are axecctly true that " They are asking
fund from BSNLEU members. We may deny at Local Level" but we must have any clear
instruction on ground of which we can deny to pay them.

If we are giving fund to EU then that is on our own but it is loss of SNATTA
and its members.

Personally I'm not able to understand the problem of chq to issue such a short
instruction on snatta.org webpage, while they are insisting even 2002/09 batch
recrutees TTAs also.

So chq its time to act now.

regards,

Devendra Singh
Gurdaspur

--- On Fri, 16/7/10, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in> wrote:

>From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
>Subject: Re: TTABSNL Re: Finally I have paid "Building Fund".
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Date: Friday, 16 July, 2010, 12:00
>
>
>
>To give fund to BSNLEU is our own descision. They are asking fund from BSNLEU
>members. We may deny at Local Level.
>With pressure of District level BSNLEU, if we are giving fund then that is on
>our own. We can't blame CHQ for every thing.
>
>Er. Sandip Solanki
>C.C., SNATTA,
>Rajkot - GUJARAT
>09429244440
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: lucky_nagaur <lakshya2001@ gmail.com>
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Sent: Thu, 15 July, 2010 11:09:26 PM
>Subject: TTABSNL Re: Finally I have paid "Building Fund".
>
>
>Dear Devendra,
>this is very sad on SNATTA point of view that our members are being pressurized
>by BSNLEU local leaders to pay the Building fund. it's very disgusting that
>still CHQ has no comments over the issue. At Nagaur Rajasthan also we are being
>pressurized from today onwards, as they know that the time frame ( 15th july) to
>withdraw the membership has paseed and we have no option other than paying to
>them. I was told by BSNLEU DS that our CHQ is also getting the amount from our
>monthly union subscription. I want to ask everyone whether this is true or
>not?If our CHQ is getting funds from our monthly union subscription then what is
>the necessity to collect funds and transfer to CHQ. Please, make a clear stand
>on this issue, otherwise we are not able to pay seperately for two unions.WE CAN
>PAY EITHER OF THE TWO, SNATTA OR BSNLEU.Now it is upto CHQ to decide, and decide
>at the earliest, to whom to pay any amouny. We here in Nagaur has taken time up
>to 31st July, if no stand of SNATTA CHQ comes on this issue till then, we will
>have to pay the Building Fund.
>
>Hoping the same condition in almost all SSAs.Please keep in touch.
>
>Sushil Choudhary
>DS, SNATTA
>Nagaur-rajasthan
>09413394233
>
>--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com, devendra singh <dksgurdaspur@ ...> wrote:
>>
>> Due to unclear instructions, unclear vision and unclear decision of SNATTA
>>chq. and pressure built by local unit of BSNLEU, I have finally paid "Building
>>Fund" to BSNLEU.
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> DEVENDRA SINGH
>>
>
>
>

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