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1. Fw: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
From: balwant singh dhindsa
2a. STATE OF AFFAIRS IN BSNL
From: joykakkayam
2b. Re: STATE OF AFFAIRS IN BSNL
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
3a. Re: REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
From: Santosh J. Devadiga
3b. Re: REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
From: Santosh J. Devadiga
3c. Re: REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
From: muralidharan muralidharan
3d. Re: REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
From: NITIN
4a. TTA DEMANDS RAISED IN DEC MEETING AT JALANDHAR
From: Balwinder Mehmi
4b. Re: TTA DEMANDS RAISED IN DEC MEETING AT JALANDHAR
From: Santosh J. Devadiga
4c. Re: TTA DEMANDS RAISED IN DEC MEETING AT JALANDHAR
From: sudesh kumar bhardwaj
5a. Fw:
From: joykakkayam john
6a. Re: RESIGNATION OF SANTOSH ANAND FROM THE POST OF CIRCLE SECRETARY
From: Santosh J. Devadiga
7. unfortunate circumstances
From: pinakdas123
8a. NEED OF ALL INDIA CONFERENCE
From: Balwinder Mehmi
8b. Re: NEED OF ALL INDIA CONFERENCE
From: NITIN
8c. Re: NEED OF ALL INDIA CONFERENCE
From: muralidharan muralidharan
9. Online return
From: G S Rajawat
10a. Re: RESIGNATION OF SANTOSH ANAND FROM THE POST OF CIRCLE SECRETARY /
From: Santosh J. Devadiga
11. "SNATTA website recovered from its earlier illness".
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
12. When will the JTO-LDCE exam held?
From: dvn
13. WHERE WE STANDS
From: G S Rajawat
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1. Fw: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
Posted by: "balwant singh dhindsa" bsladewalia@yahoo.co.in bsladewalia
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:08 am ((PDT))
--- On Sat, 19/6/10, balwant singh dhindsa <bsladewalia@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: balwant singh dhindsa <bsladewalia@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
To: bsladewalia@yahoo.co.in
Date: Saturday, 19 June, 2010, 4:39 PM
dear cs punjab ji,
Refer ur sms in response to my below mail dtd 18/6/10. u want 2 know what is my contribution to snatta other than writing mails on group. in ur earlier sms few days back, u charged me of misleading new tta on wage revision.
let me first throw some light on ur contribution to snatta esp in ur home state.
(1) the best gift by u is endorsing the fractured wage revision against the will of snatta leadership n sending the message loud & clear to bsnleu and bsnl m'ment that all the ttas, on whose behalf u signed the report, r satisfied with its recommendations.
my dear sir, u were representing the community called ttas which includes old as well as new ttas. by signing the report autocratically what have u gained? obviously the curse of all new ttas. what senior ttas are getting today after 6-7 years of service, we will get the same thing after 14 years of service. above that, just compare the monetary value of the amount (ur salary today n our salary after another 12 yrs) today and after 12 years.
we would have admired u had u not signed it, notwithstanding that the recommendations would have been implemented even without ur autograph. but that could have sent a different message to all concerned and our future actions could have had some weightage.
(2) your second largest contribution is dividing snatta punjab on the lines of punjabis and non-punjabis. if u can force them out of punjab, do it, otherwise accept them as ur own . you should realise that they r also snattians and deserve treatment similar to anyone else.
you even unsuccesfully tried to harras few of them using ur local influence.
(3) next comes ur management skill. about 2 yrs back, u dissolved the dist. body of ludhiana merely because u did not like the man who was the ds (a non punjabi).
that done, u never bothered to reconstitute it. if someone asks u on this, u simply tell him to call a meeting and do it by himself. is it not a matter of shame that the home dist of cs is w/o a dist body for the last 2 yrs. which way it is good for snatta's future.
(4) ur next contribution is ur high headedness and inaccessibility. u never give a hearing to anybody as u have ur own autocratic style of functioning. u never bother to meet and brief new ttas when they pass out fron tc and report to ludhiana. in my batch 25 out of 33 were from ur home dist but u failed to show up even once despite being locally available where as ds & cs of bsnl eu invited us to their office and offered a cup of tea and briefed about their union. being a cs, is it not ur moral responsibility to brief new ttas and try to take them into snatta's fold before anyone else lures them somewhere else. as a result of ur inaccesibilty, the ttas specially new ones are slowly n steadily turning away from snatta.
my dear sir, all my allegations mentioned herein r based on facts and feedbacks. due to ur attitude, u donot enjoy the support of a single tta, atleast from ur dist. people even tell u not to sms them on the progress of day 2 day activities of snatta. even ur section ttas don't cooperate u. u r a one man army and ur condition is like sibu soren who is running from pillar to post for support.
earlier u alleged me of misleading and exploting new ttas on the subject of wage revision . my dear sir, i m not a self styled commander like u, people daily flood me with calls and ask me to lead them but i ask their excuse as i don't have time for these time consuming activities. i m unlike u who raises hand and volunteers himself for portfolios. sources tell me that u became cs through this practice only and u were never an unanimous choice for the post.
u r harming snatta's cause by ur destuctive activities in which u r telling people that your aim is jto lice only. once u become jto then "kihri snatta te kihra tta" and snatta will no longer exist after that as if u r carrying snatta on ur shoulders.
finally i want to tell u not to get personal with me by sending sms on my mobile . i m writing on the group of my fraternity and have nothing to hide . if u have something to say u r most welcome but on the group only.
lastly, let me ask excuse from ur family members who might be suffering during the time u are away from home for snatta activities.
balwant singh dhindsa
tta (bb) raikot, (punjab)
9463271261
--- On Fri, 18/6/10, balwant singh dhindsa <bsladewalia@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: balwant singh dhindsa <bsladewalia@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, jpshiomuni@gmail.com
Date: Friday, 18 June, 2010, 4:39 PM
Finally the cat is out of the bag. if this was the level of coordination between snatta m'ment and their only wage revision committee member, then god save the new tta fron these guys.
It sounds really funny that v people still think they can help us. everybody at the top is beating his own trumpet and the result is before all of us to see. a blame and counter blame game has started. dirty linen is being washed in public and no end seems in site. i sincerely pray to god that sanity and better sense prevail and a collective action formula is derived. the present scenario is taking us nowhere.
i sincerely urge the moderator not to block my mail at least this time.
Thanks!
balwant singh dhindsa
tta (bb) raikot (punjab)
9463271261
--- On Fri, 18/6/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunjab@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunjab@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 18 June, 2010, 8:59 AM
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> WAGE LOSS TO NEW TTAS " . It is very , a SENSITIVE
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> HAKAM SINGH,
> CS-SNATTA-PB,
> EX-WAGE REVISION COMMITTEE
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> 09417277177.
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> On 6/14/10, Manish Samadhiya <m_samadhiya@
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> intimated to Hakam Singh) with Ex-leader of SNATTA &
> influence the strategy of SNATTACHQ.
> 3) Demand a detailed letter from Hakam singh Ji on
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> Manish Samadhiya
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> --- On Fri, 11/6/10, DINKAR NATH NARAIN <dnath_2006@yahoo.
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> Subject: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA
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> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups
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> Jalandhar to the C S BSNLEU Punjab suggest by SNATTA
> Jalandhar dt at jal 04.06.2010, why not taken any preventive
> action on pay scale of TTA's (appointed after 2007) in
> WAGE REVISION. Our SNATTA leader is also member in Wage
> Revision Commitee, what he doing in that time also Our Gen.
> Sac. and All India President SNATTA what they are doing?
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2a. STATE OF AFFAIRS IN BSNL
Posted by: "joykakkayam" kakkayamjoy@yahoo.com kakkayamjoy
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:08 am ((PDT))
Friends ,I know difficult times are ahead for us new ttas,.But to make this moment lighter i divert ur attention to a sentmental (for a senior)
issue....that is i remember someone posted a message and picture(state of affairs in bsnl) of a
PILLAR last year.Can any one guess what happened to the individual and the picture???visit dataoneinfo.co.cc to know more
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2b. Re: STATE OF AFFAIRS IN BSNL
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:38 pm ((PDT))
Dear moderator,
dont approve such mails by any member which diverts the flow to another
forum. Joy has again very cleverly posted a msg so many members Joins his
website to see the surprise.
if he really wants us to know the truth behind anything then come on this
platform
bandhan
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 6:29 PM, joykakkayam <kakkayamjoy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> moment lighter i divert ur attention to a sentmental (for a senior)
> issue....that is i remember someone posted a message and picture(state of
> affairs in bsnl) of a
> PILLAR last year.Can any one guess what happened to the individual and the
> picture???visit dataoneinfo.co.cc to know more
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regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
Think Different...Think Good..!!
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
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3a. Re: REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
Posted by: "Santosh J. Devadiga" sjd_4u@yahoo.com sjd_4u
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:09 am ((PDT))
Hey frnds,
Why r v acting like illiterates? And my dear frnd Arun, this is not the way i thnk u shld b talking to the president of our beloved association. What do u thnk
is that very easy to preside the association of all well educated personnel in the organisation, having different views even on even simple things. And in a association
its not the president who is whole n sole. U even have other members, who have to play their part. One cannot just expect the President to do each and every task. Thats why is suppose we have CS, CC,etc. And lets not forget that if one individual is assigned a task on behalf of the association, it means he has to responsible carry out the task and ask for help for CHQ when needed. How can one expect only one person in the association to be present physically and do all the tasks. Yes, as a President, he can be questioned, but not in the manner presently followed. If anyone has guts to lead a task to completion, why not come forward.
But b sure how many of the members will back u. Its very easy to blame my dear frnds, but to act. So lets stop the blame game. Let c forward what can be done in this situation of crises and lets jointly find a way out. I once again request stop reply or sending such mails. Even President is a human being.
Lets all take the responsibility and find a way out.
United we stand, divided we fall
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970
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From: arunkumar prajapati <arun_jagana@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 11:42:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
DEAR FRIENDS,
I THINK MR.MANISH U UNDERSTAND YOUR RESPONSIBILITY BEFORE BLAME TO HAKAM SING. IN THIS MATER NOT ONLY HAKAM SING IS RESPONSIBLE BUT U R ALSO.U R PRESIDENT OF OUR ASSOSIATION. ON BEHALF OF OUR ASSOSIATION U HAD TO MEET MR.HAKAM AND ADVISE TO HIM BUT THAT TIME U KEEP MUM AND NOW U BLAME TO HAKAM. LIKE THIS TYPE OF ISSUE NOT COME FIRST TIME THIS WILL BE SETTELED IF WE ARE UNITED AND FIGHT WITH UNITY.WE R NOT A SENIOUR /JUNIOUR BUT WE R ONLY SNATTA MEMBER.
IN PAST MUCH MORE ANNOMOLY IS CREATED AND SETTELED BUT REQUIERED SOME PASSION AND PURSUATION WHICH IS DONE BY OUR SNATTA.CHQ.
FROM : ARUN PRAJAPATI ,TTA(IT)
PALANPUR
--- On Fri, 18/6/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com> wrote:
>From: Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com>
>Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Date: Friday, 18 June, 2010, 8:59 AM
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> According to your views " I am ( hakam singh ) only responsible for WAGE LOSS TO NEW TTAS " . It is very , a SENSITIVE ISSUE to new tta , since you have started a BLAME GAME , so it is my MORAL DUTY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. BUT before full explanation , i want to know from your side---
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>1. during the last days of wage revision ,when your efforts were needed for wage to new ttas ,what was your AGENDAS THOSE DAYS , EITHER WAGE OF NEW TTA OR SOME THING ELSE .
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>2.during the last days of wage revision , WHAT ISSUE YOU HAVE DISCUSSED WITH COM NAMBOODIRI AGAIN & AGAIN ,INSTEAD OF WAGE TO NEW TTA .
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>3.YOU HAVE ACHIEVED, A PERMISSION & APPROVAL FROM WHICH BSNLEU LEADER TO MAKE STRATEGY OF NOT SIGNING A WAGE AGREEMENT , PLEASE EXPOSE THE NAME OF THATBSNLEU LEADER FIRST .
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>4. during the last days of wage revision , you have got letter written from MPs ,I THINK NOT FOR WAGE OF NEW TTAs. so explain your contribution for WAGE TO NEW TTAs ?
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> ANSWER THE ABOVE TO ALL , THEN I WILL EXPLAIN ALL WHICH YOU DEMAND.
>
>
>HAKAM SINGH,
>CS-SNATTA-PB,
>EX-WAGE REVISION COMMITTEE MEMBER,
>09417277177.
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>On 6/14/10, Manish Samadhiya <m_samadhiya@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
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>>Hi Dinkar,
>> Before blaming me for this pay loss / injustice with post 2007 TTA's , first of all ask the wage committee member Mr. Hakam singh Ji
>>1) Why he will not obey order of SNATTACHQ & loose the dare to for not signing the wage agreement.
>>2) Why Hakam singh discuss the order issued by SNATTACHQ (GS & President) for not signing the wage agreement (Even same is updated on SNATTA website & intimated to Hakam Singh) with Ex-leader of SNATTA & influence the strategy of SNATTACHQ.
>>3) Demand a detailed letter from Hakam singh Ji on this issue.
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>>Your
>>Manish Samadhiya
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>>--- On Fri, 11/6/10, DINKAR NATH NARAIN <dnath_2006@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
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>>>From: DINKAR NATH NARAIN <dnath_2006@yahoo. co.in>
>>>Subject: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
>>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>>>Date: Friday, 11 June, 2010, 11:57 PM
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>>>Dear Sr. TTA's ;
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>>>We are most educated employees of Gr 'C' in BSNL. Specially reg. difference of totel pay of new TTA's shown in letter draft by distt sac. BSNLEU Jalandhar to the C S BSNLEU Punjab suggest by SNATTA Jalandhar dt at jal 04.06.2010, why not taken any preventive action on pay scale of TTA's (appointed after 2007) in WAGE REVISION. Our SNATTA leader is also member in Wage Revision Commitee, what he doing in that time also Our Gen. Sac. and All India President SNATTA what they are doing?
>>Ham TTA's apke bare me kya andaja lagayaen.... ........
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>>AB TO WAHI SLOGAN THEEK HAI :
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>>***SAPP TO DASS GAYA AB USKEE LAKEER PEETE RAHO***
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3b. Re: REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
Posted by: "Santosh J. Devadiga" sjd_4u@yahoo.com sjd_4u
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:31 am ((PDT))
Hey Indrapal,
Nice observation dear.............Keep it up.
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970
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From: inderpal singh <inderpalece@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 12:31:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
Dear friends
Resp HAKAM SINGH ji and EX-WAGE REVISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS
At the time of agreement you was the member of Pay revision committee...
So I think finally you are representing all OLD/NEW TTAs.
As a REPRESENTI of TTAs your main aim should be focused on the pay of new TTAs.
We new TTAs are not as much skilled in politics and leadership as you old TTAs and we also not have knowledge of rulings and other things so being our senior and also a leader (at the post of representi in pay revision), you should calculate the loss of new TTAs there comparison with other Pay revision agreements at JTO level and in other PSUs, there differences etc. before sign the agreement.
BSNLEU's main objective was to provide benefit to NON-TTA Group C& D staff and before 2007 batch TTAs would get the same benefit automatically, So as a Representi you should focus on new TTA's pay (instead of focus on your sign on agreement)
And Hakam Singh g you are writing below your name as EX-WAGE REVISSION COMMITTEE MEMBER, Its mean that you are not responsible for any agreement and you have not sign on the agreement, If you have signd then you can't writer yourself as EX-WAGE REVISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS till next pay revision COMMITTEE in 2012 or 2017 You are a WAGE REVISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS
Sorry for any misbehave to my seniors and thanks for reading, plz post your views.
INDERPAL SINGH
Just 2007 batch TTA
9463700500
--- On Fri, 18/6/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com> wrote:
>From: Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com>
>Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Date: Friday, 18 June, 2010, 8:59 AM
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>Dear Manish,
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> According to your views " I am ( hakam singh ) only responsible for WAGE LOSS TO NEW TTAS " . It is very , a SENSITIVE ISSUE to new tta , since you have started a BLAME GAME , so it is my MORAL DUTY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. BUT before full explanation , i want to know from your side---
>
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>1. during the last days of wage revision ,when your efforts were needed for wage to new ttas ,what was your AGENDAS THOSE DAYS , EITHER WAGE OF NEW TTA OR SOME THING ELSE .
>
>2.during the last days of wage revision , WHAT ISSUE YOU HAVE DISCUSSED WITH COM NAMBOODIRI AGAIN & AGAIN ,INSTEAD OF WAGE TO NEW TTA .
>
>3.YOU HAVE ACHIEVED, A PERMISSION & APPROVAL FROM WHICH BSNLEU LEADER TO MAKE STRATEGY OF NOT SIGNING A WAGE AGREEMENT , PLEASE EXPOSE THE NAME OF THATBSNLEU LEADER FIRST .
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>4. during the last days of wage revision , you have got letter written from MPs ,I THINK NOT FOR WAGE OF NEW TTAs. so explain your contribution for WAGE TO NEW TTAs ?
>
> ANSWER THE ABOVE TO ALL , THEN I WILL EXPLAIN ALL WHICH YOU DEMAND.
>
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>HAKAM SINGH,
>CS-SNATTA-PB,
>EX-WAGE REVISION COMMITTEE MEMBER,
>09417277177.
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>On 6/14/10, Manish Samadhiya <m_samadhiya@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
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>>Hi Dinkar,
>> Before blaming me for this pay loss / injustice with post 2007 TTA's , first of all ask the wage committee member Mr. Hakam singh Ji
>>1) Why he will not obey order of SNATTACHQ & loose the dare to for not signing the wage agreement.
>>2) Why Hakam singh discuss the order issued by SNATTACHQ (GS & President) for not signing the wage agreement (Even same is updated on SNATTA website & intimated to Hakam Singh) with Ex-leader of SNATTA & influence the strategy of SNATTACHQ.
>>3) Demand a detailed letter from Hakam singh Ji on this issue.
>>
>>Your
>>Manish Samadhiya
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>>--- On Fri, 11/6/10, DINKAR NATH NARAIN <dnath_2006@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
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>>>From: DINKAR NATH NARAIN <dnath_2006@yahoo. co.in>
>>>Subject: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
>>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>>>Date: Friday, 11 June, 2010, 11:57 PM
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>>>Dear Sr. TTA's ;
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>>>We are most educated employees of Gr 'C' in BSNL. Specially reg. difference of totel pay of new TTA's shown in letter draft by distt sac. BSNLEU Jalandhar to the C S BSNLEU Punjab suggest by SNATTA Jalandhar dt at jal 04.06.2010, why not taken any preventive action on pay scale of TTA's (appointed after 2007) in WAGE REVISION. Our SNATTA leader is also member in Wage Revision Commitee, what he doing in that time also Our Gen. Sac. and All India President SNATTA what they are doing?
>>Ham TTA's apke bare me kya andaja lagayaen.... ........
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>>AB TO WAHI SLOGAN THEEK HAI :
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>>***SAPP TO DASS GAYA AB USKEE LAKEER PEETE RAHO***
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3c. Re: REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
Posted by: "muralidharan muralidharan" ranjumd@yahoo.co.in ranjumd
Date: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:05 am ((PDT))
Excelent Santosh J. Devadiga . Well matured saying.
Past is Past, forget it .
Think What can we do today to solve the problems ?
So many issues to be solved .
If any one to be blamed for this happening I am ready to take the responsiblitity and ask appology.
Friends please don't get carried away .
our unity will fetch us good result .
we work out as per Bandhan And Nurul's guidelines .
murali tta trichy ssa
--- On Sat, 19/6/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 19 June, 2010, 8:24 PM
Hey frnds,
Why r v acting like illiterates? And my dear frnd Arun, this is not the way i thnk u shld b talking to the president of our beloved association. What do u thnk
is that very easy to preside the association of all well educated personnel in the organisation, having different views even on even simple things. And in a association
its not the president who is whole n sole. U even have other members, who have to play their part. One cannot just expect the President to do each and every task. Thats why is suppose we have CS, CC,etc. And lets not forget that if one individual is assigned a task on behalf of the association, it means he has to responsible carry out the task and ask for help for CHQ when needed. How can one expect only one person in the association to be present physically and do all the tasks. Yes, as a President, he can be questioned, but not in the manner presently followed. If anyone has guts to lead a task to completion, why not come forward.
But b sure how many of the members will back u. Its very easy to blame my dear frnds, but to act. So lets stop the blame game. Let c forward what can be done in this situation of crises and lets jointly find a way out. I once again request stop reply or sending such mails. Even President is a human being.
Lets all take the responsibility and find a way out.
United we stand, divided we fall
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970
From: arunkumar prajapati <arun_jagana@ yahoo.co. in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 11:42:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
DEAR FRIENDS,
I THINK MR.MANISH U UNDERSTAND YOUR RESPONSIBILITY BEFORE BLAME TO HAKAM SING. IN THIS MATER NOT ONLY HAKAM SING IS RESPONSIBLE BUT U R ALSO.U R PRESIDENT OF OUR ASSOSIATION. ON BEHALF OF OUR ASSOSIATION U HAD TO MEET MR.HAKAM AND ADVISE TO HIM BUT THAT TIME U KEEP MUM AND NOW U BLAME TO HAKAM. LIKE THIS TYPE OF ISSUE NOT COME FIRST TIME THIS WILL BE SETTELED IF WE ARE UNITED AND FIGHT WITH UNITY.WE R NOT A SENIOUR /JUNIOUR BUT WE R ONLY SNATTA MEMBER.
IN PAST MUCH MORE ANNOMOLY IS CREATED AND SETTELED BUT REQUIERED SOME PASSION AND PURSUATION WHICH IS DONE BY OUR SNATTA.CHQ.
FROM : ARUN PRAJAPATI ,TTA(IT)
PALANPUR
--- On Fri, 18/6/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com> wrote:
From: Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Friday, 18 June, 2010, 8:59 AM
Dear Manish,
According to your views " I am ( hakam singh ) only responsible for WAGE LOSS TO NEW TTAS " . It is very , a SENSITIVE ISSUE to new tta , since you have started a BLAME GAME , so it is my MORAL DUTY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. BUT before full explanation , i want to know from your side---
1. during the last days of wage revision , when your efforts were needed for wage to new ttas ,what was your AGENDAS THOSE DAYS , EITHER WAGE OF NEW TTA OR SOME THING ELSE .
2.during the last days of wage revision , WHAT ISSUE YOU HAVE DISCUSSED WITH COM NAMBOODIRI AGAIN & AGAIN ,INSTEAD OF WAGE TO NEW TTA .
3.YOU HAVE ACHIEVED, A PERMISSION & APPROVAL FROM WHICH BSNLEU LEADER TO MAKE STRATEGY OF NOT SIGNING A WAGE AGREEMENT , PLEASE EXPOSE THE NAME OF THAT BSNLEU LEADER FIRST .
4. during the last days of wage revision , you have got letter written from MPs , I THINK NOT FOR WAGE OF NEW TTAs. so explain your contribution for WAGE TO NEW TTAs ?
ANSWER THE ABOVE TO ALL , THEN I WILL EXPLAIN ALL WHICH YOU DEMAND.
HAKAM SINGH,
CS-SNATTA-PB,
EX-WAGE REVISION COMMITTEE MEMBER,
09417277177.
On 6/14/10, Manish Samadhiya <m_samadhiya@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
Hi Dinkar,
Before blaming me for this pay loss / injustice with post 2007 TTA's , first of all ask the wage committee member Mr. Hakam singh Ji
1) Why he will not obey order of SNATTACHQ & loose the dare to for not signing the wage agreement.
2) Why Hakam singh discuss the order issued by SNATTACHQ (GS & President) for not signing the wage agreement (Even same is updated on SNATTA website & intimated to Hakam Singh) with Ex-leader of SNATTA & influence the strategy of SNATTACHQ.
3) Demand a detailed letter from Hakam singh Ji on this issue.
Your
Manish Samadhiya
--- On Fri, 11/6/10, DINKAR NATH NARAIN <dnath_2006@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
From: DINKAR NATH NARAIN <dnath_2006@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Friday, 11 June, 2010, 11:57 PM
Dear Sr. TTA's ;
We are most educated employees of Gr 'C' in BSNL. Specially reg. difference of totel pay of new TTA's shown in letter draft by distt sac. BSNLEU Jalandhar to the C S BSNLEU Punjab suggest by SNATTA Jalandhar dt at jal 04.06.2010, why not taken any preventive action on pay scale of TTA's (appointed after 2007) in WAGE REVISION. Our SNATTA leader is also member in Wage Revision Commitee, what he doing in that time also Our Gen. Sac. and All India President SNATTA what they are doing?
Ham TTA's apke bare me kya andaja lagayaen.... ........
AB TO WAHI SLOGAN THEEK HAI :
***SAPP TO DASS GAYA AB USKEE LAKEER PEETE RAHO***
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3d. Re: REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
Posted by: "NITIN" nitin_pohare@yahoo.com nitin_pohare
Date: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:10 am ((PDT))
It is very disapointing to see such a Negativity on the Group.
I dont understand how could people be so Irrresponcibly pointing to SNATTA Higher Leaders ?
Does any body have Dought against the Integrity of Mr.Manish or Mr.Hakam ? I Know these people they are very dedicated and cool minded persons , why some people are triggering them ?
These people are doing this extra ordinary work that we couldnot just think also ? Does they do this for the POST in SNATTA ? No they are RESPONSIBLE people. I have seen Mr.Manish How many time he has scarifed his time from his Family , his work , his other social agreement.
I Have seen Mr.Hakam not Appering in the JTO External Exam and travelling for each meeting to Delhi.
Both of them have given their Valuable Time , Money everything so generously that we couldnt imagin also.
Do you think we have any right to Question their Integrity ?
Seeting in your chair and Writing a Mail is so easy ,but Is it so easy for us to questing their Resposibility.
What is the purpose of our mail ? do we want to spread Negative thoughts amoung Group or something that will Forward the Group.?
It required a lot to Expand SNATTA , So many people worked hard for years to expand this Baloon of SNATTA & How come we dare to PIN it with our words and our won perseptions.
I would like to request that if any one have question regarding the this issue or question on SNATTA CHQ kindly contact them on phone direclty.
There are so many issues like we the 2002/03/04 batch TTAs are waiting for JTO Exam from last 8 years almost DONT YOU THINK THAT WE ARE ALSO PANIC ? DO YOU THINK RASING A FINGURE WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM
Sory This mail is too long i will stop here but I realy wanted to convey only one thing that Be Unity & Trust each other.
Thanks .....
With Regards....
Nitin Pohare (Nashik MH)
(9422279640)
--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, "Santosh J. Devadiga" <sjd_4u@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Indrapal,
> Nice observation dear.............Keep it up.
>
> regards,
> Santosh J. Devadiga.
> 9422268970
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: inderpal singh <inderpalece@...>
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 12:31:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
>
>
> Dear friends
> Resp HAKAM SINGH ji and EX-WAGE REVISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS
> At the time of agreement you was the member of Pay revision committee...
> So I think finally you are representing all OLD/NEW TTAs.
>
> As a REPRESENTI of TTAs your main aim should be focused on the pay of new TTAs.
> We new TTAs are not as much skilled in politics and leadership as you old TTAs and we also not have knowledge of rulings and other things so being our senior and also a leader (at the post of representi in pay revision), you should calculate the loss of new TTAs there comparison with other Pay revision agreements at JTO level and in other PSUs, there differences etc. before sign the agreement.
>
> BSNLEU’s main objective was to provide benefit to NON-TTA Group C& D staff and before 2007 batch TTAs would get the same benefit automatically, So as a Representi you should focus on new TTA’s pay (instead of focus on your sign on agreement)
>
> And Hakam Singh g you are writing below your name as EX-WAGE REVISSION COMMITTEE MEMBER, Its mean that you are not responsible for any agreement and you have not sign on the agreement, If you have signd then you can’t writer yourself as EX-WAGE REVISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS till next pay revision COMMITTEE in 2012 or 2017 You are a WAGE REVISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS
>
> Sorry for any misbehave to my seniors and thanks for reading, plz post your views.
>
> INDERPAL SINGH
> Just 2007 batch TTA
> 9463700500
>
>
> --- On Fri, 18/6/10, Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com> wrote:
>
>
> >From: Circle Secretary, SNATTA , Punjab <circlesecretarypunj ab@gmail. com>
> >Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
> >To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> >Date: Friday, 18 June, 2010, 8:59 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear Manish,
> >
> > According to your views " I am ( hakam singh ) only responsible for WAGE LOSS TO NEW TTAS " . It is very , a SENSITIVE ISSUE to new tta , since you have started a BLAME GAME , so it is my MORAL DUTY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. BUT before full explanation , i want to know from your side---
> >
> >
> >1. during the last days of wage revision ,when your efforts were needed for wage to new ttas ,what was your AGENDAS THOSE DAYS , EITHER WAGE OF NEW TTA OR SOME THING ELSE .
> >
> >2.during the last days of wage revision , WHAT ISSUE YOU HAVE DISCUSSED WITH COM NAMBOODIRI AGAIN & AGAIN ,INSTEAD OF WAGE TO NEW TTA .
> >
> >3.YOU HAVE ACHIEVED, A PERMISSION & APPROVAL FROM WHICH BSNLEU LEADER TO MAKE STRATEGY OF NOT SIGNING A WAGE AGREEMENT , PLEASE EXPOSE THE NAME OF THATBSNLEU LEADER FIRST .
> >
> >4. during the last days of wage revision , you have got letter written from MPs ,I THINK NOT FOR WAGE OF NEW TTAs. so explain your contribution for WAGE TO NEW TTAs ?
> >
> > ANSWER THE ABOVE TO ALL , THEN I WILL EXPLAIN ALL WHICH YOU DEMAND.
> >
> >
> >HAKAM SINGH,
> >CS-SNATTA-PB,
> >EX-WAGE REVISION COMMITTEE MEMBER,
> >09417277177.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 6/14/10, Manish Samadhiya <m_samadhiya@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Dinkar,
> >> Before blaming me for this pay loss / injustice with post 2007 TTA’s , first of all ask the wage committee member Mr. Hakam singh Ji
> >>1) Why he will not obey order of SNATTACHQ & loose the dare to for not signing the wage agreement.
> >>2) Why Hakam singh discuss the order issued by SNATTACHQ (GS & President) for not signing the wage agreement (Even same is updated on SNATTA website & intimated to Hakam Singh) with Ex-leader of SNATTA & influence the strategy of SNATTACHQ.
> >>3) Demand a detailed letter from Hakam singh Ji on this issue.
> >>
> >>Your
> >>Manish Samadhiya
> >>
> >>--- On Fri, 11/6/10, DINKAR NATH NARAIN <dnath_2006@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: DINKAR NATH NARAIN <dnath_2006@yahoo. co.in>
> >>>Subject: [TTABSNL] REG IRRESPONCIBLE WORKING of SNATTA HIGHER LEADERS
> >>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> >>>Date: Friday, 11 June, 2010, 11:57 PM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Dear Sr. TTA's ;
> >>>
> >>>We are most educated employees of Gr 'C' in BSNL. Specially reg. difference of totel pay of new TTA's shown in letter draft by distt sac. BSNLEU Jalandhar to the C S BSNLEU Punjab suggest by SNATTA Jalandhar dt at jal 04.06.2010, why not taken any preventive action on pay scale of TTA's (appointed after 2007) in WAGE REVISION. Our SNATTA leader is also member in Wage Revision Commitee, what he doing in that time also Our Gen. Sac. and All India President SNATTA what they are doing?
> >>Ham TTA's apke bare me kya andaja lagayaen.... ........
> >>
> >>
> >>AB TO WAHI SLOGAN THEEK HAI :
> >>
> >>***SAPP TO DASS GAYA AB USKEE LAKEER PEETE RAHO***
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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4a. TTA DEMANDS RAISED IN DEC MEETING AT JALANDHAR
Posted by: "Balwinder Mehmi" balmehmi555@yahoo.in balmehmi555
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:09 am ((PDT))
Dear friends
DEC meeting of bsnleu held on 18/06/2010 at jalandhar. the following issues raised by TTAs :-
1. PAY ANOMALLY :- The salary of TTAs recruited after 01/01/2010 is reduced in new scales & RECOVERY IS GOING TO BE DONE. So ensure merger of NE-9,NE-10 & NE-11 with E-1 as proposed before or five no. of increments to be added for fixing of the initial basic salary on the pay scale NE-9. as it was awarded in JTO cadre (8600-250-14600 became 9850-250-14600) after adding five increments.
Pay anomally is also with JTOs recruited after 01/01/2010 in wage revision, but their union leadership has pursue the issue with CMD & A Raja BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE YET FOT TTAs. So pursue the case at chq level.
2. Salary of junior is more than senior in new scales pursue the issue at chq level.
3. Immidiatly conduct JTO exam.
4.Immidiatly change TTAs designation.
5 CONVEYANCE ALLOWANCE FOR TTAs ATTENDING BB COMPLAINTS.
Earlier decision taken in this regard doesn`t fulfill the expenditure as the prices are rising day by day. TTAs has to fulfill the requirements from their own pockets. therefore a justified decision shoud be taken in next RCM meeting.
6. Provide laptop to TTAs attending BB complaints under each SDEs.
>> ALMOST ALL BRANCH SECRETARIES OF BSNLEU CONDEMN PAY ANOMALLY WITH TTAs RECRUITED AFTER 01/01/2010 & DEMANDED JUSTICE FOR THEM.
>>DISTRICT SECRETARY BSNLEU REMIND THE DEMANDS OF TTAs TO CIRCLE BODY & CHQ BSNLEU ON MOBILE TO PURSUE AT CHQ LEVEL & IMMIDIATE SOLUTION
>> THE AGENDA (DEMANDS OF TTAs) HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT TO CIRCLE & CHQ BY DS BSNLEU ON DATE 30/05/2010 IN SNATTA MEETING AT JALANDHAR
>>OUR OWN SNATTA LEADERSHIP (CIRCLE BODIES & CHQ) PLEASE PAY IMMIDIATE ATTENTION TO KEEP UNITY OF SNATTA
BALWINDER SINGH
DISTRICT PRESIDENT SNATTA
JALANDHAR
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4b. Re: TTA DEMANDS RAISED IN DEC MEETING AT JALANDHAR
Posted by: "Santosh J. Devadiga" sjd_4u@yahoo.com sjd_4u
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:28 pm ((PDT))
Gr8 work Balwinder and frnds,
Nice example to other to set instead of blaming one another.
bravo.
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970
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From: Balwinder Mehmi <balmehmi555@yahoo.in>
To: TTABSNL@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 6:30:39 PM
Subject: [TTABSNL] TTA DEMANDS RAISED IN DEC MEETING AT JALANDHAR
Dear friends
DEC meeting of bsnleu held on 18/06/2010 at jalandhar. the following issues raised by TTAs :-
1. PAY ANOMALLY :- The salary of TTAs recruited after 01/01/2010 is reduced in new scales & RECOVERY IS GOING TO BE DONE. So ensure merger of NE-9,NE-10 & NE-11 with E-1 as proposed before or five no. of increments to be added for fixing of the initial basic salary on the pay scale NE-9. as it was awarded in JTO cadre (8600-250-14600 became 9850-250-14600) after adding five increments.
Pay anomally is also with JTOs recruited after 01/01/2010 in wage revision, but their union leadership has pursue the issue with CMD & A Raja BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE YET FOT TTAs. So pursue the case at chq level.
2. Salary of junior is more than senior in new scales pursue the issue at chq level.
3. Immidiatly conduct JTO exam.
4.Immidiatly change TTAs designation.
5 CONVEYANCE ALLOWANCE FOR TTAs ATTENDING BB COMPLAINTS.
Earlier decision taken in this regard doesn`t fulfill the expenditure as the prices are rising day by day. TTAs has to fulfill the requirements from their own pockets. therefore a justified decision shoud be taken in next RCM meeting.
6. Provide laptop to TTAs attending BB complaints under each SDEs.
>> ALMOST ALL BRANCH SECRETARIES OF BSNLEU CONDEMN PAY ANOMALLY WITH TTAs RECRUITED AFTER 01/01/2010 & DEMANDED JUSTICE FOR THEM.
>>DISTRICT SECRETARY BSNLEU REMIND THE DEMANDS OF TTAs TO CIRCLE BODY & CHQ BSNLEU ON MOBILE TO PURSUE AT CHQ LEVEL & IMMIDIATE SOLUTION
>> THE AGENDA (DEMANDS OF TTAs) HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT TO CIRCLE & CHQ BY DS BSNLEU ON DATE 30/05/2010 IN SNATTA MEETING AT JALANDHAR
>>OUR OWN SNATTA LEADERSHIP (CIRCLE BODIES & CHQ) PLEASE PAY IMMIDIATE ATTENTION TO KEEP UNITY OF SNATTA
BALWINDER SINGH
DISTRICT PRESIDENT SNATTA
JALANDHAR
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4c. Re: TTA DEMANDS RAISED IN DEC MEETING AT JALANDHAR
Posted by: "sudesh kumar bhardwaj" lucky_bsnl@yahoo.co.in lucky_bsnl
Date: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:05 am ((PDT))
Balwinder is doing very well in his SSA, I want to request Senior leaders to give him suitable post in Circle body. Such a practical leaders should move ahead to grab an opportunity. I am very hopeful to Balwinder. Best of luck.
: Sudesh Bhardwaj,
TTA (Mktg)
Amritsar
--- On Sat, 19/6/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] TTA DEMANDS RAISED IN DEC MEETING AT JALANDHAR
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 19 June, 2010, 9:04 PM
Gr8 work Balwinder and frnds,
Nice example to other to set instead of blaming one another.
bravo.
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970
From: Balwinder Mehmi <balmehmi555@ yahoo.in>
To: TTABSNL@YAHOOGROUPS .COM
Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 6:30:39 PM
Subject: [TTABSNL] TTA DEMANDS RAISED IN DEC MEETING AT JALANDHAR
Dear friends
DEC meeting of bsnleu held on 18/06/2010 at jalandhar. the following issues raised by TTAs :-
1. PAY ANOMALLY :- The salary of TTAs recruited after 01/01/2010 is reduced in new scales & RECOVERY IS GOING TO BE DONE. So ensure merger of NE-9,NE-10 & NE-11 with E-1 as proposed before or five no. of increments to be added for fixing of the initial basic salary on the pay scale NE-9. as it was awarded in JTO cadre (8600-250-14600 became 9850-250-14600) after adding five increments.
Pay anomally is also with JTOs recruited after 01/01/2010 in wage revision, but their union leadership has pursue the issue with CMD & A Raja BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE YET FOT TTAs. So pursue the case at chq level.
2. Salary of junior is more than senior in new scales pursue the issue at chq level.
3. Immidiatly conduct JTO exam.
4.Immidiatly change TTAs designation.
5 CONVEYANCE ALLOWANCE FOR TTAs ATTENDING BB COMPLAINTS.
Earlier decision taken in this regard doesn`t fulfill the expenditure as the prices are rising day by day. TTAs has to fulfill the requirements from their own pockets. therefore a justified decision shoud be taken in next RCM meeting.
6. Provide laptop to TTAs attending BB complaints under each SDEs.
>> ALMOST ALL BRANCH SECRETARIES OF BSNLEU CONDEMN PAY ANOMALLY WITH TTAs RECRUITED AFTER 01/01/2010 & DEMANDED JUSTICE FOR THEM.
>>DISTRICT SECRETARY BSNLEU REMIND THE DEMANDS OF TTAs TO CIRCLE BODY & CHQ BSNLEU ON MOBILE TO PURSUE AT CHQ LEVEL & IMMIDIATE SOLUTION
>> THE AGENDA (DEMANDS OF TTAs) HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT TO CIRCLE & CHQ BY DS BSNLEU ON DATE 30/05/2010 IN SNATTA MEETING AT JALANDHAR
>>OUR OWN SNATTA LEADERSHIP (CIRCLE BODIES & CHQ) PLEASE PAY IMMIDIATE ATTENTION TO KEEP UNITY OF SNATTA
BALWINDER SINGH
DISTRICT PRESIDENT SNATTA
JALANDHAR
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5a. Fw:
Posted by: "joykakkayam john" kakkayamjoy@yahoo.com kakkayamjoy
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:25 pm ((PDT))
Bravo Balwant........Atlast someone calls a spade a spade!!Since we are talking money matters,i doubt someone took money for signing this immoral product called wage revision of a dirty relation with EU!!!
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6a. Re: RESIGNATION OF SANTOSH ANAND FROM THE POST OF CIRCLE SECRETARY
Posted by: "Santosh J. Devadiga" sjd_4u@yahoo.com sjd_4u
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:25 pm ((PDT))
Great say my frnd Shahulhameed Noorulameen.
Dear frnds, as rightly point out, as a association and even numberwise, we have our own limitations.
Lets agian understand this and make others understand, and lets once again try fullfledged to achieve our aims. I am always proud of my association since when it was Dhiraj and Chandan leading us and even feel proud today. Down let it down.
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970
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From: shahulhameed noorulameen <noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 1:10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] RESIGNATION OF SANTOSH ANAND FROM THE POST OF CIRCLE SECRETARY / SNATTA CTD
Dear All
It is disturbing to see some cracks in the unity of our SNATTA over here and there. The members should understand our limitations, being an association and also a back bencher of the recognised union to certain extent. The aspirations of new DRTTAs are always high like what v were when v joined in 2002 as first batch of TTAs. There is nothing wrong to anticipate much more than what v have got right now.
I suggest the following to narrow the differences of opinion among the members:
Note 1: First of all, A sincere advice is that : Every one should be in a position to change their stubborn attitude and ready to listen to others, be accommodative and also ready for accepting any paradigm shift.
Pse arrange the next national conference at a convenient place and date.
Invite all, irrespective of their loyalty with maximum representation in each SSA. It should include Mr Santhosh, of CTD, Mr Hakam Singh, Mr Bandhan, All CC, Circle Presidents, CS, DS, DPs and if possible, our great founder President and GS and other criticizing members, who have grudges against CHQ or who are having grievances.
Make it as a two days programme if possible, with a brain storming event, wherein, all the doubts of every TTA can be sorted out or clarified and it can be analysed on the following:
a. where did we go wrong?
b.what could have been the better choice left to us before accepting the pay commission recommendations?
c. What could be the future course of action? ( to convert SNATTA into union and other options)
d. To know the necessity of SNATTA unity and making every TTA to join in our team and mode of fund raising.
e. To have equal representations in CHQ from all states, like wise, each SSA in state HQ etc.
f. Further possible rapport with recognised union or otherwise etc.
g. To create a legal cell at CHQ and any other important topics including mentioned 8 points in Mr. Bandhan email.
Members comments/suggestion s are welcomed.
Note2: As per the email of Mr Muralidharan of Trichy SSA, one of the new DRTTA of 2008 batch was given an additional special pay alongwith May salary. Is it to compensate the loss of pay for the new TTAs?
Sincerely yours
SN Ameen, TTA, Jeddah, KSA
00966555802143.
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From: Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail. com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Thu, 17 June, 2010 8:39:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] RESIGNATION OF SANTOSH ANAND FROM THE POST OF CIRCLE SECRETARY / SNATTA CTD
hi everybody..
as i have not much knowledge of wage revision so i cannot convince Santosh CTD (& other TTAs) that why he and all New Dr.TTAs could not get Arrears that are meant for only old TTAs (employees) who have served the Deptt. for nearly 8 yrs (he may understand after 8 yrs in BSNL, when he will face same Plight of ours that we r facing today)
His efforts, dedication, commitment, honesty towards his Cadre is undoubted but sometimes he becomes too emotional and does not think logically & long term but insists on one demand only.
can anybody make him understand.. ??
now i feel that we really missing the services of Chandan and Dhiraj who can make anybody understand the logics behind any issue.
Let me Clear Two things here..
We all so called Old TTAs (Fighter TTAs Founders of SNATTA) do stand with our young brothers. We tried our best but if we fail then how can we justify our Sincerity to the Association members..??
i know money means something to an employee but its not everything for our Career growth. the foremost thing is regular Promotion & Job Satisfaction. When we get promotions we obvious get hike in salary, hike in status, hike in repute, hike in Job satisfaction. Nobody wants their life stagnant. Our GS, President and whole SNATTA still trying its Best.
in my opinion, as a priority regular Internal exams should be conducted, designation name should be changed, Highest pay scale should be given to TTAs.
You should continuously make representations to all associations, Unions and raise healthy criticism.
But don't create any further Division (the real motto of Unions) among us untill and unless nobody listens you or take care of ur issues to its logical end. Believe me, we TTAs have more experience and understanding than you all and we all are still fighting with union & management for the last 8 yrs. We got something but short of healthy achievement so far. due to the following Reasons:-
1. Lack of Unity among top management in SNATTA
2. Lack of regular Funds from TTAs,
3. Lack of Growth in memberships of SNATTA,
4. Lack of coordination among Circle Secretaries, Presidents and Coordinators.
5. Interest in Post rather than Cause.
6. Lack of Logical thinkers.
7. Loss of Senior TTAs (who left our Association) who were well aware of the system at top.
8. Lack of understanding among New Dr.TTAs
after 4 yrs of formation of SNATTA we have not reached to every TTA of the BSNL. Most of us has not tried to enroll new TTAs into SNATTA's fold and make them understand the importance of an Association for their Welfare.
Until and Unless we achieve the above Eight, we have to wait..!!
rest the decision is yours because after passing of few yrs when more new TTAs will join the BSNL the same problem will arise again, then you will repent later.
Think twice before taking any action as some of the young chaps have not understood the Department yet how will they fight with the whole system.
note:- i am not undermining your talent (santosh & other new Dr.TTAs) but taking random actions will add to our miseries.
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:40 AM, santosh <santosh.bsnl@ yahoo.in> wrote:
>To,
>Dharmendra Verma Ji,
>GS, SNATTA.
>Subject :- Resignation From The Post Of Circle Secretary Of SNATTA CALUTTA TELEPHONES DISTRICT
>Sir,
>I , Santosh Anand presently occurring the post of CIRCLE SECRETARY of SNATTA CTD (Calcutta Telephones District) want to resign from my post with immediate effect.
>
>Sir, there is only reason that I have failed to protect interest of TTA's of my circle(all TTA's are of 2007 & 2008 batch). When we formed SNATTA here (8th NOV 2009), then the main issue was protecting our interest in ongoing wage-revision. But now I realized that I failed to achieve my goal.
>
>I am not blaiming here anyone for what happened with new TTA's. but yesterday (15th JUNE2010), when I saw that all GR.C & GR.D employees are getting approx 1 LAKHS as arrear but there was no name of many of TTA's in the list even they all have served BSNL for 18 months, I felt that I failed to protect their interest.
>Sorry for
> your inconvenience.
>
>Thanking you
>Your's Faithfully
>DATE: 16th JUNE 2010
>PLACE: KOLKATA (SANTOSH ANAND)
>
>Cc to :- 1. Mr. MANISH SAMADHIYA JI, PRESIDENT/SNATTA
>2. Mr. PROSUN GHOSH JI, PRESIDENT/SNATTA CTD.
>3. Mr. KOUSHIK GHOSH JI, CENTRAL CO-ORDINATOR/ SNATTA CTD.
>
>
--
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
Think Different... Think Good..!!
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
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7. unfortunate circumstances
Posted by: "pinakdas123" pinakdas123@yahoo.co.in pinakdas123
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:26 pm ((PDT))
What a unfortunate circumstances has evolved with the latest dispute of wage revision?I think all senior and junior DRTTAs (who vicitim of the discrimination)should control their emotions and act sensibly. Our actual strength lies in our unity. please stop blaming our leaders.In this reference Bandhan Preet Message is very sensible. His explanation to our shortcoming is absolutely correct. He is very correct that we should be more focus on our job satisfaction and career growth in BSNL, rest things will follow them. We should welcome those sensible and logical thinkers to write in this forum in this crisis time.Our young brothers should not feel dejected at this temporary setback, in fact even working for 7/8 years in BSNL we seniors have not achieved any great success.No confirmation when JTO LDCE will take place, even designation change could not done!Having all skills and qualification we are working as technician in the eyes of most employees.
PINAK DAS,
Meghalaya SSA, NE-1.
9436109780.
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8a. NEED OF ALL INDIA CONFERENCE
Posted by: "Balwinder Mehmi" balmehmi555@yahoo.in balmehmi555
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:27 pm ((PDT))
Dear friends
Very well said by mr. shahulhameed noorulameen that thre is the need of all india conference of SNATTA to discuss the issues of TTAs & make necessary strategy to solve our problems like PAY ANOMALLY, JTO EXAM, DESIGNATION CHANGE & Many other issues.
Its my request to our SNATTA CHQ to arrange all india conference , so that decisions may be taken unanimously & difrences arising among TTAs may be vanished.
Balwinder singh
District president SNATTA
Jalandhar
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8b. Re: NEED OF ALL INDIA CONFERENCE
Posted by: "NITIN" nitin_pohare@yahoo.com nitin_pohare
Date: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:06 am ((PDT))
Dear Balwinder
Thanks for raising the issue of AIC ,
I think very soon it will be declared. As most circles are to complete the Circel Conference yet.
With regards
Nitin Pohare
(Nashik MH) (9422279640)
--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, Balwinder Mehmi <balmehmi555@...> wrote:
>
> Dear friends
> Very well said by mr. shahulhameed noorulameen that thre is the need of all india conference of SNATTA to discuss the issues of TTAs & make necessary strategy to solve our problems like PAY ANOMALLY, JTO EXAM, DESIGNATION CHANGE & Many other issues.
>
> Its my request to our SNATTA CHQ to arrange all india conference , so that decisions may be taken unanimously & difrences arising among TTAs may be vanished.
>
>
> Balwinder singh
> District president SNATTA
> Jalandhar
>
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8c. Re: NEED OF ALL INDIA CONFERENCE
Posted by: "muralidharan muralidharan" ranjumd@yahoo.co.in ranjumd
Date: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:08 am ((PDT))
I Too
murali tta precident trichy ssa TN>
--- On Sat, 19/6/10, Balwinder Mehmi <balmehmi555@yahoo.in> wrote:
From: Balwinder Mehmi <balmehmi555@yahoo.in>
Subject: [TTABSNL] NEED OF ALL INDIA CONFERENCE
To: TTABSNL@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
Date: Saturday, 19 June, 2010, 6:45 PM
Dear friends
Very well said by mr. shahulhameed noorulameen that thre is the need of all india conference of SNATTA to discuss the issues of TTAs & make necessary strategy to solve our problems like PAY ANOMALLY, JTO EXAM, DESIGNATION CHANGE & Many other issues.
Its my request to our SNATTA CHQ to arrange all india conference , so that decisions may be taken unanimously & difrences arising among TTAs may be vanished.
Balwinder singh
District president SNATTA
Jalandhar
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9. Online return
Posted by: "G S Rajawat" gsrajawat@gmail.com
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:28 pm ((PDT))
Hello group
any body know that can we file the return online....? if body has till done that let me know pls....i am willing to so.....i hope there might be such facility.....early reply is anticipated...
Regards:-
G S Rajawat
B S N L
9413424883
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10a. Re: RESIGNATION OF SANTOSH ANAND FROM THE POST OF CIRCLE SECRETARY /
Posted by: "Santosh J. Devadiga" sjd_4u@yahoo.com sjd_4u
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:28 pm ((PDT))
Hey Santosh,
Taking the responsibility shows that u have leadership skills. But why resign when soldiers need u the most dear captain!!!!!!!!
Not every thing is in everybody's control. Be there as a leader my dear frnd. Association needs Captains like u.
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
________________________________
From: muralidharan muralidharan <ranjumd@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 18 June, 2010 6:28:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] RESIGNATION OF SANTOSH ANAND FROM THE POST OF CIRCLE SECRETARY / SNATTA CTD
Will ur resignation solve the problem ?
Wait and watch and fight for the right OK
murali tta trichy ssa
--- On Fri, 18/6/10, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
>From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
>Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] RESIGNATION OF SANTOSH ANAND FROM THE POST OF CIRCLE SECRETARY / SNATTA CTD
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Date: Friday, 18 June, 2010, 1:24 PM
>
>
>>
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>>
>
>Dear Santosh,
>
>Your resignation has gone to the General Secretary and President. Logically I may not interfere in that but being a Circle Bearer of Gujarat circle I can suggest you something for the matter.
>This is a big corporation. Here no 100% achievement is possible. Actually you can not say that you are failed to solve the issue now. There is still time to solve the problem. It is only that the reactions of members are still full of emotions. They will definately think practically on the issue and set there minds. The issue is to be solve by CHQ and not you or me.
>The Leader should be capable of raising the issues. it is least concern with solutions. Solutions depends on many things.... Cirumtances, Unity, Halt on Management, Type of issue etc....
>So, please don't blame yourself and don't think that you have failed.. There is still hope of solution.. Why you giving up so early.......
>We all have to fight for the issue.... Still result not have come.... Management has not told that nothing can be done in the matter...
>If even management says that, we have a chance to go to the COURT......
>
>I suggest you think more on it and make the members understand the situation... ..
>
>IF WE ARE UNITED, WE WILL GET THE RESULTS ( IT MAY BE SOME LATE....).
>
>Er. Sandip Solanki
>C.C., SNATTA,
>Rajkot - GUJARAT
>09429244440
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: santosh <santosh.bsnl@ yahoo.in>
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Sent: Wed, 16 June, 2010 10:40:42 AM
>Subject: [TTABSNL] RESIGNATION OF SANTOSH ANAND FROM THE POST OF CIRCLE SECRETARY / SNATTA CTD
>
>
>To,
>Dharmendra Verma Ji,
>GS, SNATTA.
>Subject :- Resignation From The Post Of Circle Secretary Of SNATTA CALUTTA TELEPHONES DISTRICT
>Sir,
>I , Santosh Anand presently occurring the post of CIRCLE SECRETARY of SNATTA CTD (Calcutta Telephones District) want to resign from my post with immediate effect.
>
>Sir, there is only reason that I have failed to protect interest of TTA's of my circle(all TTA's are of 2007 & 2008 batch). When we formed SNATTA here (8th NOV 2009), then the main issue was protecting our interest in ongoing wage-revision. But now I realized that I failed to achieve my goal.
>
>I am not blaiming here anyone for what happened with new TTA's. but yesterday (15th JUNE2010), when I saw that all GR.C & GR.D employees are getting approx 1 LAKHS as arrear but there was no name of many of TTA's in the list even they all have served BSNL for 18 months, I felt that I failed to protect their interest.
>Sorry for
> your inconvenience.
>
>Thanking you
>Your's Faithfully
>DATE: 16th JUNE 2010
>PLACE: KOLKATA (SANTOSH ANAND)
>
>Cc to :- 1. Mr. MANISH SAMADHIYA JI, PRESIDENT/SNATTA
>2. Mr. PROSUN GHOSH JI, PRESIDENT/SNATTA CTD.
>3. Mr. KOUSHIK GHOSH JI, CENTRAL CO-ORDINATOR/ SNATTA CTD.
>
>
>
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11. "SNATTA website recovered from its earlier illness".
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:40 pm ((PDT))
Dear Webmaster,
there is a line written in the www.SNATTA.org
* "SNATTA website recovered from its earlier illness".*
pls brief us why this line is posted on website and how you recovered it
from illness..i mean what you did to make it lively again??. Hope you will
share it with the SNATTA family.
*i also posted some NOC/Passport forms to be included on website but till
date (1 month passed) nobody cared to update the same on Useful Forms
links<http://snatta.org/impforms.htm>
*. Do we expect a reply on this issue.
Dear moderator/webmaster pls unhide the group (settings in group) from
searches from below link present in www.snatta.org website front page left
bottom. when we click Discussion
Forum<http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=TTABSNL>then we can't see
the group. no new TTAs who want to join the group can find
the TTABSNL group link in searches.
i hope my every query will be answered accordingly.
*A Techno SNATTian*
*Bandhan Preet Singh,*
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
Think Different...Think Good..!!
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
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12. When will the JTO-LDCE exam held?
Posted by: "dvn" rajkumar_dvn@yahoo.com rajkumar_dvn
Date: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:05 am ((PDT))
Dear Comrades,
Does anybody have an idea of when this LDCE exam to JTO will be held. It is already high time that when all kinds of examinations are being held for departmental promotions for various cadres LDCE from TTA to JTO is being delayed inordinately.
Rajkumar
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13. WHERE WE STANDS
Posted by: "G S Rajawat" gsrajawat@gmail.com
Date: Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:16 am ((PDT))
Hello group
these day i am very disappointed with all the game played over the group..everybody blaming each other...
we are really so shameful that despite of most educated among the group c and d , we dont have little common sense....some times we fight on the eligible vs not eligible....and some time we fight on graduate and non graduate....some time on loosing new comers 2007 , 2008 in wage revision...oh god....
manish is blaming hakam and hakam is blaming so......this is not fair.....anybody we want to work and lead the team is always welcome.....and pls use the forum for useful and creative criticism ....not for targeting other people as sometimes it hurts the people we have devoted there valuable time and energy.
Regards:-
G S Rajawat
B S N L
9413424883
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