Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Please clarify
From: kamalaksh chari
2. DoT to close down rural exchanges.
From: setia_arun05
3. THANK YOU
From: vishal mehndroo
4. Dear Punjab circle friends
From: G S Rajawat
5a. Re: TO BROADBAND ENGINEERS
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
6a. Impressed with the new Ideas for the Solution to the deadlock !!!!
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
6b. Re: Impressed with the new Ideas for the Solution to thedeadlock !!!
From: raj upadhyay
7. ALTITUDE SICKNESS: Health Tip of the Day!
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
8a. Humble Request
From: G S Rajawat
8b. Re: Humble Request
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
9a. Re: MEETING WITH MR P. ABHIMANYU, GS, BSNLEU
From: sudesh kumar bhardwaj
9b. Re: MEETING WITH MR P. ABHIMANYU, GS, BSNLEU
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
10a. Re: Fw: Re: TTABSNL Fw: reply of harjinder singh GOLA mail regrding
From: Er.PRITPAL SINGH
11a. Re: higher studies
From: naresh valakati
11b. Re: higher studies
From: V.K.Anand
11c. Re: higher studies
From: sudesh kumar bhardwaj
12a. Re: REGARDING CWC PUNJAB
From: DINKAR NATH NARAIN
13.1. Re: Solution to the dedlock !!!!
From: V.K.Anand
14. long form of AFB
From: rahul
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1a. Re: Please clarify
Posted by: "kamalaksh chari" kamalakshchari@yahoo.co.in kamalakshchari
Date: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:30 pm ((PDT))
Hi All,
In the RR of 1994(MTNL JTO recruitment) BSc (Maths & Physics), BE/BTech were eligible to answer JTO O/S Exam and many BSc Graduates passed this exam successfully and are now doing good as JTO. But RR in the later JTO exams changed allowing only BE/Btech holders eligible to answer the same. Now no BSc or MSc graduate can answer O/S JTO exam...I think this is one kind of injustice on BSc & MSc grads graduating now as they cannot appear in JTO exam. Do they think that present BSc or MSc grads are not that sound to become JTO's? At the same time they think that Sr.Toa or operator who has not even passed 12th Science to appear for Internal JTO exam just because he has survived in BSNL for 10yrs....??
I think in BSNL or MTNL ( both DOT previously) anything can happen at anytime as per Officers(chairing topmost position) wish.
--- On Tue, 17/8/10, Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Please clarify
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 August, 2010, 9:22 PM
hi.
pls file RTI and get the desired answer and then share the reply with all of us.
We all know that TTA post is for (minimum) Diploma Level but B.Tech and M.Tech can also appear for TTA external exam.
by the way if B.tech/M.Tech holder can sit in the exam then why not B.SC./Msc. Electronics.??
Higher degree in the the same stream is eligible to apply as far as my knowledge is concerned.
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 10:28 PM, manojkumar k.v. <mkkv27@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
As per presant RR Msc Electronics without BSC physics or Mathematics is not eligible for JTO Internal Exam
Manojkuar.K.V
CS Kerala 9496297397
--
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
Think Different...Think Good..!!
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
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2. DoT to close down rural exchanges.
Posted by: "setia_arun05" setia_arun05@yahoo.co.in setia_arun05
Date: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:30 pm ((PDT))
The department of telecommunication has decided to close telephone exchanges in rural area going by the decreasing number of landline phones. An information to this effect was given by deputy general manager, corporate office, Rajesh Kumar on Tuesday.
Experts point out that the trend of decreasing land line phones is a result of the booming business in mobile phones. Figures released by dot during the ongoing parliament session clearly support the switching over.
Officials at the UP east circle of Bharat Sanhcar Nigam Limited (BSNL) said that the orders were to be executed by the end of September. "We have also started the process to identify the exchanges where only a few subscribers are left,'' said one of the officers.
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3. THANK YOU
Posted by: "vishal mehndroo" vishal.mehndroo@yahoo.com vishal.mehndroo
Date: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:05 pm ((PDT))
I hereby heartly thanks Mr. Hakam Singh circle sect. SNATTA Punjab for his efforts in resolving my case. your efforts have temporarily stopped the action to be taken against me. I once again thanks you for pressure build by u on BSNLEU. PL SAY THANKS TO BSNLEU LEADERS ALSO FOR TAKING UP MY CASE WITH MANAGEMENT. PLS KEEP PRESSURE ON TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM PERMANENTLY.
VISHAL MEHNDROOTTA MOBILE SECTION FEROZEPURPUNJAB CIRCLE
94650050009417350001.
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4. Dear Punjab circle friends
Posted by: "G S Rajawat" gcsrajawat@yahoo.co.in gcsrajawat
Date: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:05 pm ((PDT))
Dear Punjab circle friends...
Being the moderator of this beloved group....i request you all pls pls dont
wirte as such that hurts someone feelings....If there is some problems than it
can be discussed in healthy environment in coming AIC at Goa.
and if this continues than its difficult to maintain the sanity and harmony of
the group.....
we are educated persons and we have to behave like so.....
It is expected that all the member will follow the instructions......
This is final and Humble request to all concerns.......
Regards:-
G S Rajawat
Group Moderator
B S N L Newai
Tonk, Rajasthan
Cell: +91-9413424883
gsrajawat@gmail.com
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5a. Re: TO BROADBAND ENGINEERS
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:20 pm ((PDT))
hi..
have u tried any other PC/Laptop for Troubleshooting??
In PPP mode pls select NAT, Firewall, Default Route, WAN service, IGMP
service inside modem settings page.
in modem setting page under advance setup there is written DNS. Click on it
then on right side uncheck the box then enter following DNS address
8.8.8.8
156.154.70.1
click on save.
reboot the modem, Don't enter the IP address in LAN TCP/IP properties in
Windows. let it take them from modem automatically.
have u Checked the SNR or Attenuation values.?
Is PC clean from Viruses or Malware.?
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Jasvant Parmar <jasvantparmar@ymail.com>wrote:
>
>
> To
> Bandhanji
> OS XP,PPP mode,Modem UTSTARCOM..My Problem is sometime
> opens all website(for 20 seconds)...and sometime it opens for long time i.e
> for through out day...
>
> * Jasvant Parmar*
> *TTA(Broadband)*
> *Palanpur-Gujarat*
> *9426655777*
> **
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Bandhan.P.Singh <email13@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: TTABSNL TO BROADBAND ENGINEERS
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 2:40 PM
>
>
> hi.
>
> ping the website like this
>
> ping www.google.com
> and see the results.
> r u using bridge or pppoe.?
>
> pls tell all details like operating system and modem make etc..??
>
> Anybody whoever asks question in this forum pls tell all details alongwith
> ur question.
>
> *bandhan preet singh*
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Jasvant Parmar <jasvantparmar@ymail.com<http://us.mc1110.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jasvantparmar@ymail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> *HI *
> * DNS ping continuously getting..But website not continously open..Page
> can not be displayed..Also LAN ping ok...have anybody suffered from this
> type of fault?????*
> * Jasvant Parmar*
> *TTA(Broadband)*
> *Palanpur-Gujarat*
> *9426655777*
> **
>
>
>
>
> --
> regards,
>
> Bandhan Preet Singh,
> Broadband Engineer (TTA),
> BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
>
> Think Different...Think Good..!!
>
> "THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
>
>
>
>
--
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
Think Different...Think Good..!!
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
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6a. Impressed with the new Ideas for the Solution to the deadlock !!!!
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:36 pm ((PDT))
Dear friends,
To the some extent i am also *agree with Mr. VK Anand and Vikas* about
the *thinking
of reverse engineering.*
We have to *start looking back now*. We have to see some* alternative plans.
* Pls negotiate with them all at the earliest and Call an unofficial meeting
with Union and management to resolve the Issue. We can make it out of the
court settlement.
this *yahoo group platform has already generated a lot of Ideas and
Enthusiasm* among its member TTAs but what about those still left untouched
by the ongoing activities of SNATTA. We have to generate awareness about
SNATTA activities among all TTAs so our strength becomes more strong. All
are requested to let other TTAs also join this group and make it large and
strong.
We have a lot of *Talented Technical Associates* (TTAs), everyone is having
some or the other unique skill. Pls use them appropriately. *We talk a lot
about every damn thing on this planet but what about our PROMOTION..??*
These young chaps ( TTAs 2007, 2009) think about their salaries only... the
only mail coming from them is about fit-ment only. Have they ever thought
about Promotion..?? We too agree that pay revision has not taken place to
its best but u all New TTAs are not only concerned with this issue u have to
involve urself with bigger opportunities also. I request everyone to think
more about ur future also like* CS Santosh of Kolkatta doing. i like his
gutsy attitude.I request him to enroll all New TTAs in SNATTAs fold and make
our family large and Strong.*
i am* highly impress with the way Mr.Anand took pain and generated new FRESH
IDEAS* for us to think about. Its not easy to gather all Ideas for a
particular cause. The worries of Amit Sharma should also taken into concern
while thinking of any new line of action.
i am of the View that we should* do some Restructuring among SNATTA
body*and We should have more people in CHQ Body.
in my opinion, like BSNLEU and SNATTA Haryana Circle made 3 Assistant CS
likewise *CHQ should too have 3 or 5 Assistant General Secretaries (AGS)*. *We
can also have more Vice-Presidents *to look after the entire affairs of
SNATTA and encourage new members to play more active role. We should choose
someone from nearby Punjab, Haryana, Himachal, Rajasthan, JK etc. so that if
GS Verma could not attend any Delhi meeting then we can send our AGS to
represent our view in every meeting with management. We should try to attend
every meeting with Mgmt and Union. *We can have more democratic, liberal and
fresh ideas to Fight against our miseries.* It will provide some relief to
existing CHQ body which is already burden with so many requests, queries,
cases, meetings etc etc.. We can delegate some work to other members and
make them responsible towards association. *EXAMPLE*, we can give Website
management or Yahoo Group Management to any AGS. likewise we can also
nominate our AGS for Designation Change committee or Wage-Revision
committee. *Everybody should have independent charge to look after but
sharing of Information and cooperation is must among themselves.*
We can also give some seats to new recruited TTAs in *Circle Body* to have
their more involvement.
i don't want to wait for AIC to happen and give my VIEWS there only. I will
present my views on this platform so that people coming there can take this
points to further level. *i want that whoever attending AIC there should
come up with something new and fresh to fight for our battle.* One can make
a long list out of all discussions happened on this group and present that
during AIC meeting but if we can simplify some matter before hand then its
more fruitful. Its not possible for all to join there because of Financial,
Time and personal other constraints.
*I also want to share one of my personal thought with the group that we
could have AIC meeting in New Delhi also so that everyone comes there and we
could even show our protest march for 2-3 hrs in front of BSNL Sanchar
Bhavan. We can hit two birds in one shot. We don't have enough time to show
our real concern We have to show our resentment to the BSNL Mgmt. in
Practical form. We could generate Media and public awareness with our
protest march as done by JTOs in past. Everybody should know the pain and
dissatisfaction prevailing among Qualified and Talented TTAs of BSNL. We
have to do some type of Drama/Stunt to make them realize about our genuine
demands. Now is the high Time to show some revolt against BSNL Mgmt like
some Indians did against Britsihers in 1857. i shared the same with Punjab
TTAs in Ludhiana meeting recently where i told them that we should went to
Sanchar Bhavan in Full Black Dress to show our protest. Can't we do this
..?? Is there Anybody who agrees with me.??
*
*These are just my personal views so it should be taken in that sense only.
anything found good could be taken into account and leave the rest aside.* i
will post my more views in coming days.
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:49 PM, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
> Dear All,
> it was certainly a very well thought and an eye opener post as what we have
> achieved and what we could have achieved since the formation of SNATTA.
>
> I also personally feel that the court cases and the subsequent judgments
> are going to take us nowhere,number one-the legal machinery is time
> consuming and breadth taking we all would agree.number two-the judgments are
> too vague and one is left with own wisdom to interpret it.The court said the
> diverted personnel should be reverted back and the post should be restored
> but this left BSNL clue less as how this can be done when they actually have
> taken charge as JTOs and many have even been promoted to higher cadres.Yes
> they can be reverted back outright but this will again cause a rippling
> chain of court cases we never know.
>
> **
> But mind all I am/was not against SNATTAs court case to restore the
> diverted post.This is and was our most revered achievement so far that truly
> took us to new high and got us the respect from the adversaries.
>
> I am just saying that we did this we did that but we still are TTAs and
> would remain for some time I think because some or the other feel that they
> have the right on post of JTO and they approach court and the court gives a
> stay.And BSNL also is in no mood to vacate the stay.
>
> So in this case we should look for some greener pastures beyond the
> premises of court and see if there is some middle path.
>
> And what Anand has suggested has certainly something to be given a deep
> thought by all.
>
> *Vikas Kumar Gupta*
>
> *TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand*
>
> *9431100511*
>
>
> **
>
> *
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* V.K.Anand <vkanand810@yahoo.com>
> *To:* TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tue, 17 August, 2010 12:26:55 PM
>
> *Subject:* TTABSNL Solution to the dedlock !!!!
>
>
>
> Dear Friends!!
>
>
>
> This is great to know that National conference is set to be held at GOA. I
> am sure this is going to be a historical one.
>
>
>
> Let me take this opportunity to initiate discussion on the most important
> agenda of "JTO LICE". We have seen and done all possible things to make it
> possible. Our unity, Strength, ability to resource funds and perseverance is
> remarkable. But sadly all these dedicated efforts have to born any fruit
> till now.
>
>
>
> We are fighting cases but reality at the moment is that JTO LICE is in
> rough weather. This is not only affecting 1st or 2nd batch but is killing
> the moral of new recruits as well. I have collected some information and
> after giving some thought developed some idea of solving the deadlock.
> Please remember that figures I am going to give might not be accurate or the
> solution might not be very attractive. I feel that now we need some middle
> path to solve the problem.
>
>
>
> As many of us know that Beneficiaries of diversion (OJTOS) is occupying top
> posts in almost all Non executive unions and this makes it difficult to
> convince the management and end loops of courts cases. I think we need to
> device a win-win situation for all stake holders.
>
>
> * *
>
> *The brief story of Diversion, Jto lice and Ojtos:***
>
>
>
> Pre 2000 management conducted a screening test to fill internal post of
> JTOs .BSNL took undertaking from each candidate that they will not be
> considered against vacancies of 2001 onwards. Vacancies were filled
> according to merit list. Many of them passed but were low in merit list. In
> subsequent years Union (NFTE) pressurized the management to divert some
> posts and accommodate these left out people. They were sent on training and
> given officiating as JTO before regularization. We won diversion case and
> now these diversions are pending.
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *Let us first see who stake holders are:*
>
> * *
> ****
>
> 1. *Management***: Needs man power, as per one information 9200 internal
> post of JTOs are lying vacant till March 2009. (This figure might not be
> accurate but correct figure is with CHQ I guess). With new projects
> Management will need to fill up the vacancies fast.
>
> 2.*OJTOS*** : Officiating JTOs waiting for regularization. A total of
> 2173 OJTOs are waiting for regularization as on date. Eight Circles has no
> waiting list. Details are as follows:
>
> KRL *398* ,AP *293*, MHR *208* , GJR *107* , WB *95* ,UPE *70*, HRN *24,*KTK
> *316,*TND *258,*MPCHG *163,*COLCTD *104* ,RJST *75,*CHTD *53*,JK *9*
> **
>
>
>
> 3*.DR TTA ***: We all recruited by Bsnl after yr .2000. 1st batch in
> vacancy against 2000( people joined till 2005 against waiting list), 2nd
> batch in 2007, 3ed batch in 2009.( This detail is as per Jharkahnd circle.
> this might slightly differ with other circles.
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *The proposed solution : *
> ****
>
> - OJTOs lift CAT Ernakulam case . We lift Contempt of court case.
> - We allow one time diversion of 2173 waiting OJTOs subject to
> fulfillment of following demands.
> - Still vacancies left =9200-2173= 7027.
> - BSNL conducts the LICE/Screening test as per revised RR.As it is the
> case now only 1st batch is eligible. 2nd batch will be eligible in 2014 or
> in 2012 ( if RR is revised to 5 years). Since 1st batch strength will be far
> less then the vacancy management can be convinced to conduct screening test
> only. Still ample vacancies will be unfilled.
> - Sighting these unfilled vacancies RR could be further revised to
> bring down eligibility criteria to 5 years. SO the next Exam could be
> conducted as soon as 2nd batch completes 5 years i.e. in 1012. and so on for
> coming batches.
> - LICE should be conducted regularly.
> - Special relaxation of 2 years may be granted for those who have
> completed AMIE/ Degree.
>
> These steps might not look very attractive instantly. In first go it looks
> like we are back tracking. But believe me friends in lieu of 2173 posts we
> might gain 7027 and many more vacancies after 2009 and so on. This solution
> will gain support of OJTOs and most of unions as OJTOs are active in FNTO,
> NFTE, TEPU and BSNLEU.
>
>
>
> Having said that I still understand that it is a tough task. This will
> require a very strong will and effort, negotiation , meetings and what not
> to achieve this . We at jharkhand have already started discussion with
> different Union to explore the possibility of implementation.
>
> I request each of my friends old and new to Read this , think and discuss.
> I hope CHQ will think over it.
>
>
>
> May god bless us to achieve our goal .
>
>
>
> Thanks for your time!!!!
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> V.K.Anand
>
> TTA MSC , Jharkhand
>
> 9431103335
>
>
>
>
--
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
Think Different...Think Good..!!
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
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6b. Re: Impressed with the new Ideas for the Solution to thedeadlock !!!
Posted by: "raj upadhyay" raj.ku@indiatimes.com raj.ku73
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:36 am ((PDT))
A well thought,well worked out acceptable thought.I am in agreement with you to discuss the issue.
New TTAs also are coming in line to understand and work to achieve the goal of SNATTA. They have started participating actively. Let's call them friends. The use of words like chaps doesn't fit to the degree of love/ affection/respect, we have for our members.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bandhan.P.Singh
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:06:14 +0530 (IST)
Subject: TTABSNL Impressed with the new Ideas for the Solution to the deadlock !!!!
Dear friends,
To the some extent i am also agree with Mr. VK Anand and Vikas about the thinking of reverse engineering.
We have to start looking back now. We have to see some alternative plans. Pls negotiate with them all at the earliest and Call an unofficial meeting with Union and management to resolve the Issue. We can make it out of the court settlement.
this yahoo group platform has already generated a lot of Ideas and Enthusiasm among its member TTAs but what about those still left untouched by the ongoing activities of SNATTA. We have to generate awareness about SNATTA activities among all TTAs so our strength becomes more strong. All are requested to let other TTAs also join this group and make it large and strong.
We have a lot of Talented Technical Associates (TTAs), everyone is having some or the other unique skill. Pls use them appropriately. We talk a lot about every damn thing on this planet but what about our PROMOTION..??
These young chaps ( TTAs 2007, 2009) think about their salaries only... the only mail coming from them is about fit-ment only. Have they ever thought about Promotion..?? We too agree that pay revision has not taken place to its best but u all New TTAs are not only concerned with this issue u have to involve urself with bigger opportunities also. I request everyone to think more about ur future also like CS Santosh of Kolkatta doing. i like his gutsy attitude.I request him to enroll all New TTAs in SNATTAs fold and make our family large and Strong.
i am highly impress with the way Mr.Anand took pain and generated new FRESH IDEAS for us to think about. Its not easy to gather all Ideas for a particular cause. The worries of Amit Sharma should also taken into concern while thinking of any new line of action.
i am of the View that we should do some Restructuring among SNATTA body and We should have more people in CHQ Body.
in my opinion, like BSNLEU and SNATTA Haryana Circle made 3 Assistant CS likewise CHQ should too have 3 or 5 Assistant General Secretaries (AGS). We can also have more Vice-Presidents to look after the entire affairs of SNATTA and encourage new members to play more active role. We should choose someone from nearby Punjab, Haryana, Himachal, Rajasthan, JK etc. so that if GS Verma could not attend any Delhi meeting then we can send our AGS to represent our view in every meeting with management. We should try to attend every meeting with Mgmt and Union. We can have more democratic, liberal and fresh ideas to Fight against our miseries. It will provide some relief to existing CHQ body which is already burden with so many requests, queries, cases, meetings etc etc.. We can delegate some work to other members and make them responsible towards association. EXAMPLE, we can give Website management or Yahoo Group Management to any AGS. likewise we can also nominate our AGS for Designation Change committee or Wage-Revision committee. Everybody should have independent charge to look after but sharing of Information and cooperation is must among themselves.
We can also give some seats to new recruited TTAs in Circle Body to have their more involvement.
i don't want to wait for AIC to happen and give my VIEWS there only. I will present my views on this platform so that people coming there can take this points to further level. i want that whoever attending AIC there should come up with something new and fresh to fight for our battle. One can make a long list out of all discussions happened on this group and present that during AIC meeting but if we can simplify some matter before hand then its more fruitful. Its not possible for all to join there because of Financial, Time and personal other constraints.
I also want to share one of my personal thought with the group that we could have AIC meeting in New Delhi also so that everyone comes there and we could even show our protest march for 2-3 hrs in front of BSNL Sanchar Bhavan. We can hit two birds in one shot. We don't have enough time to show our real concern We have to show our resentment to the BSNL Mgmt. in Practical form. We could generate Media and public awareness with our protest march as done by JTOs in past. Everybody should know the pain and dissatisfaction prevailing among Qualified and Talented TTAs of BSNL. We have to do some type of Drama/Stunt to make them realize about our genuine demands. Now is the high Time to show some revolt against BSNL Mgmt like some Indians did against Britsihers in 1857. i shared the same with Punjab TTAs in Ludhiana meeting recently where i told them that we should went to Sanchar Bhavan in Full Black Dress to show our protest. Can't we do this ..?? Is there Anybody who agrees with me.??
These are just my personal views so it should be taken in that sense only. anything found good could be taken into account and leave the rest aside. i will post my more views in coming days.
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:49 PM, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
it was certainly a very well thought and an eye opener post as what we have achieved and what we could have achieved since the formation of SNATTA.
I also personally feel that the court cases and the subsequent judgments are going to take us nowhere,number one-the legal machinery is time consuming and breadth taking we all would agree.number two-the judgments are too vague and one is left with own wisdom to interpret it.The court said the diverted personnel should be reverted back and the post should be restored but this left BSNL clue less as how this can be done when they actually have taken charge as JTOs and many have even been promoted to higher cadres.Yes they can be reverted back outright but this will again cause a rippling chain of court cases we never know.
But mind all I am/was not against SNATTAs court case to restore the diverted post.This is and was our most revered achievement so far that truly took us to new high and got us the respect from the adversaries.
I am just saying that we did this we did that but we still are TTAs and would remain for some time I think because some or the other feel that they have the right on post of JTO and they approach court and the court gives a stay.And BSNL also is in no mood to vacate the stay.
So in this case we should look for some greener pastures beyond the premises of court and see if there is some middle path.
And what Anand has suggested has certainly something to be given a deep thought by all.
Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511
From: V.K.Anand <vkanand810@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 17 August, 2010 12:26:55 PM
Subject: TTABSNL Solution to the dedlock !!!!
Dear Friends!!
This is great to know that National conference is set to be held at GOA. I am sure this is going to be a historical one.
Let me take this opportunity to initiate discussion on the most important agenda of "JTO LICE". We have seen and done all possible things to make it possible. Our unity, Strength, ability to resource funds and perseverance is remarkable. But sadly all these dedicated efforts have to born any fruit till now.
We are fighting cases but reality at the moment is that JTO LICE is in rough weather. This is not only affecting 1st or 2nd batch but is killing the moral of new recruits as well. I have collected some information and after giving some thought developed some idea of solving the deadlock. Please remember that figures I am going to give might not be accurate or the solution might not be very attractive. I feel that now we need some middle path to solve the problem.
As many of us know that Beneficiaries of diversion (OJTOS) is occupying top posts in almost all Non executive unions and this makes it difficult to convince the management and end loops of courts cases. I think we need to device a win-win situation for all stake holders.
The brief story of Diversion, Jto lice and Ojtos:
Pre 2000 management conducted a screening test to fill internal post of JTOs .BSNL took undertaking from each candidate that they will not be considered against vacancies of 2001 onwards. Vacancies were filled according to merit list. Many of them passed but were low in merit list. In subsequent years Union (NFTE) pressurized the management to divert some posts and accommodate these left out people. They were sent on training and given officiating as JTO before regularization. We won diversion case and now these diversions are pending.
Let us first see who stake holders are:
1. Management: Needs man power, as per one information 9200 internal post of JTOs are lying vacant till March 2009. (This figure might not be accurate but correct figure is with CHQ I guess). With new projects Management will need to fill up the vacancies fast.
2.OJTOS : Officiating JTOs waiting for regularization. A total of 2173 OJTOs are waiting for regularization as on date. Eight Circles has no waiting list. Details are as follows:
KRL 398 ,AP 293, MHR 208 , GJR 107 , WB 95 ,UPE 70, HRN 24,KTK 316,TND 258,MPCHG 163,COLCTD 104 ,RJST 75,CHTD 53,JK 9
3.DR TTA : We all recruited by Bsnl after yr .2000. 1st batch in vacancy against 2000( people joined till 2005 against waiting list), 2nd batch in 2007, 3ed batch in 2009.( This detail is as per Jharkahnd circle. this might slightly differ with other circles.
The proposed solution :
OJTOs lift CAT Ernakulam case . We lift Contempt of court case.
We allow one time diversion of 2173 waiting OJTOs subject to fulfillment of following demands.
Still vacancies left =9200-2173= 7027.
BSNL conducts the LICE/Screening test as per revised RR.As it is the case now only 1st batch is eligible. 2nd batch will be eligible in 2014 or in 2012 ( if RR is revised to 5 years). Since 1st batch strength will be far less then the vacancy management can be convinced to conduct screening test only. Still ample vacancies will be unfilled.
Sighting these unfilled vacancies RR could be further revised to bring down eligibility criteria to 5 years. SO the next Exam could be conducted as soon as 2nd batch completes 5 years i.e. in 1012. and so on for coming batches.
LICE should be conducted regularly.
Special relaxation of 2 years may be granted for those who have completed AMIE/ Degree.
These steps might not look very attractive instantly. In first go it looks like we are back tracking. But believe me friends in lieu of 2173 posts we might gain 7027 and many more vacancies after 2009 and so on. This solution will gain support of OJTOs and most of unions as OJTOs are active in FNTO, NFTE, TEPU and BSNLEU.
Having said that I still understand that it is a tough task. This will require a very strong will and effort, negotiation , meetings and what not to achieve this . We at jharkhand have already started discussion with different Union to explore the possibility of implementation.
I request each of my friends old and new to Read this , think and discuss. I hope CHQ will think over it.
May god bless us to achieve our goal .
Thanks for your time!!!!
Kind regards,
V.K.Anand
TTA MSC , Jharkhand
9431103335
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BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
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7. ALTITUDE SICKNESS: Health Tip of the Day!
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:26 am ((PDT))
This email was sent from within the Fortis Group of companies. The contents
of this email,
including the attachments, are LEGALLY PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL to the
intended
recipient at the email address to which it has been addressed. If you
receive it in error,please
notify the sender immediately by return email and then permanently delete it
from your
system. The unauthorized use, distribution, copying or alteration of this
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attachments, is strictly forbidden. Thank you. Please note that neither
Fortis Group nor the
sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility
to scan the email
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BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
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8a. Humble Request
Posted by: "G S Rajawat" gcsrajawat@yahoo.co.in gcsrajawat
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:27 am ((PDT))
Humble Request
URGENT!!! PLEASE CIRCULATE to your friends, family and contacts.
In the coming days, DO NOT open any message with an attachment called: BLACK
MUSLIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE, regardless of who sent it to you. It is a virus that
opens an Olympics torch that burns the whole hard disk C of your computer. This
virus comes from a known person who you have in your list.
Directions: You should send this message to all of your contacts. It is better
to receive this e-mail 25 times than to receive the virus and open it. If you
receive a message called BLACK MUSLIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE even if sent by a
friend, do not open, and shut down your machine immediately. It is the worst
virus announced by CNN. This new virus has been discovered recently it has been
classified by Microsoft as the virus most destructive ever.
This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee.. There is no repair yet
for this kind of virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the hard
disk, where vital information function.
Regards:-
G S Rajawat
B S N L Newai
Tonk, Rajasthan
Cell: +91-9413424883
gsrajawat@gmail.com
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8b. Re: Humble Request
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:38 am ((PDT))
hi friends,
Don't Circulate the below message.
i hope when somebody close to you sends this type of message you didn't
think twice while forwarding msg but i advise you to never ever forward any
MAIL or Message before checking its antecedent.
*Below mail/message is TOTALLY FALSE and FAKE Message.*
i hope Mr.Rajawat has got this mail from somebody close to him so he could
not check its contents and thought for all of us and immediately forwarded
to the group welfare. But the mail comes out to be false. anyone having any
doubt then pls mail me.
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:23 AM, G S Rajawat <gcsrajawat@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>
>
> *Humble Request *
> ***URGENT!!! PLEASE CIRCULATE to your friends, family and contacts.
>
>
>
> In the coming days, DO NOT open any message with an attachment called: BLACK
> MUSLIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE, regardless of who sent it to you. It is a virus
> that opens an Olympics torch that burns the whole hard disk C of your
> computer. This virus comes from a known person who you have in your list.
>
> Directions: You should send this message to all of your contacts. It is
> better to receive this e-mail 25 times than to receive the virus and open
> it. If you receive a message called BLACK MUSLIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE even
> if sent by a friend, do not open, and shut down your machine immediately. It
> is the worst virus announced by CNN. This new virus has been discovered
> recently it has been classified by Microsoft as the virus most destructive
> ever.
> This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee.. There is no
> repair yet for this kind of virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero
> Sector of the hard disk, where vital information function.*
> *
> *
> Regards:-
> G S Rajawat
> B S N L Newai
> Tonk, Rajasthan
> Cell: +91-9413424883
> gsrajawat@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
Think Different...Think Good..!!
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
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9a. Re: MEETING WITH MR P. ABHIMANYU, GS, BSNLEU
Posted by: "sudesh kumar bhardwaj" lucky_bsnl@yahoo.co.in lucky_bsnl
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:28 am ((PDT))
Very well done by Mr. DEEPAK.
: SUDESH
--- On Wed, 18/8/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>
Subject: TTABSNL MEETING WITH MR P. ABHIMANYU, GS, BSNLEU
To: shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in, snattabihar@yahoogroups.com, snattachq@gmail.com, TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 18 August, 2010, 7:43 PM
The circle executive committee meeting of BSNLEU, Bihar Circle held on 17.08.2010(yesterday) at SARAOGI ATITHI SADAN, Kishanganj, Bihar. Apart from circle leaders of BSNLEU Mr P Abhimanyu, GS, BSNLEU and Mr Swapan Chakroborty, AGS, BSNLEU were also present. The CGMT bihar circle Mr Vijay Kumar addressed the Open Session.
Although I attended this meeting, but I think I have missed a good chance to represent our case with well drafted letters on that platform due to my hectic departmental assignments prior to this. I did not get any type of help in this regards from my circle friends too.
The meeting was focussed on the forthcoming elections in 2011.
In my speech , i raised the following points-
1. Loss of pay to new recruits. I emphasized on fitments as in the case of Tamilnadu Govt.
2.Free mobile connections to TTAs and non-executives in Bihar as in HP and AP. I handed over the printed orders from these circles.
3.EPF problems.
4. Early LICE for JTO. For this I said that there is a need of negotiation among SNATTA, OJTOs and BSNLEU. I appealed that the court cases will not get the desired results to anyone. Best way is negotiation as OJTOs are also facing genuine problems so BSNLEU should step in and take steps to safe guard the interest of all.
5. Llaziness of management in sending nominations for SANCHAR AWARDS in various SSAs in Bihar.
During my speech GS Mr Abhimanyu had not reached the venue. But after his arrival Mr Swapan Chakraborty, AGS apprised him the points raised by me.
While GS was addressing the meeting he said that we had a good wage revision and he saw his pay increased by Rs7000. On this I instantly forwarded a slip writing
"WHAT ABOUT THE LOSS OF PAY TO THE EMPLOYEES RECRUITED ON OR AFTER 01.01.2007"
After reading the slip what he said is recorded in my mobile and here I am trying to reproduce his word here as he addressed in HIS Hindi please read full
jo log 31.12.2006 tak service me the ye sirf ve logon ka wage revision hai. jo 01.01.207 ya usake baad appointment mila unka wage revision nahin hai. lekin isme kya galti hui? jin logon ka appointment 01.01.2007 ke baad mila ve logon ko bhi galti se 50% IDA merger de diya. salary advance bhi de diya, lekin unka wage revision nahin hua. abhi central govt me kya hua jo 01.01.06 se wage revision mila matlab jo 31.12.05 koun koun service me the sirf we logon ko wage revision hai. isi vajah se problem hua. phir bhi hum ek principle ko maante hain. jo wage kal mila kal tak mil raha tha aaj usse kam nahin milna chahiye. us principle ko main maanta hun. isliye jab wage revision hua wage revision ka baatchit hua to us samay me hum ko maloom hai ye logon ka wage kam hoga. isliye management se discuss kiya ye sab logon ko fitment benifit dene ke liye management mana kar diya. wage revision me kaafi delayed hone ke vakah se logon ko bahut naaraz hua, gaali bhi
de rahe the hamare union neta logon ko. hamare upar kafi dabab tha uske vajah se kuchh na kuchh jaldi karne ka jaroorat the. isliye humne kiya. bahut discuss hua. management ek cheese ke liye taiyar hua. kya cheez ke liye? jo log 01.01.07 se baad appointment hua agar ve logon ko wage differences hoga to usko personal pay ke roop me compensation milega. iska matlab kisi ko wage kam nahin hoga. lekin jab order nikale to point ko aisa kiya ki on the date of entry, isliye jo lodon ko date of increment wage revision ke pahle tha ve logon kopersonal pay mila. lekin kai logon ko appointment ke 4 mahine 5 mahine ke baad pay difference hua uska personal pay nahin mila. ye to bada mudda hai. is par 31.8.2010 ko NCM hoga usme isko discuss karenge.
hum ye bhi maang kar rahe hain Tamilnaadu govt jo wage revision kiya jis tarah se jo logon ko wage revision hua ve logon ke liye bhi fitments diya, hamara maang ye hai ki jo order Tamilnadu Govt implement kiya vahi BSNL me bhi implement karo. isko karne ke liye NCM me koshish karenge.
Our friend Mr Madhuranjan Jha, DS, SNATTA, Bhagalpur escorted the GS from airport and had detailed discussion on various issues especially on JTO LICE with him for nearly two hours.During this discussions the GS said that the reduction in the qualifying service conditions from 7 years to 5years is his challenge and he will see that it is done.
While chatting during lunch hour with me he said that this 10 or 7 year condition is due to Mr. S C Mishra now member services as he said we need skilled man power for longer. If it is 3 or 5 years then people come and become JTO and there will be always shortage of staff at this level. on this i said that in this condition BSNL will not get quality manpower and it will get filled with kachra from the market as any qualified and skilled person always looks for career up gradation. From the First batch of TTAs there are majority of well qualified B Tech engineers, they will not come at this level now if u not attract them with good future. On this he said that this is the good point and genuine too.
Lastly he assured us of our better future and said that look on for the next NCM.
deepak kumar
9431610399
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9b. Re: MEETING WITH MR P. ABHIMANYU, GS, BSNLEU
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:49 am ((PDT))
hi deepak,
you all did a *SPLENDID *and *FABULOUS *job..!!
at every channel or platform pls echo the same thing.
regards,
*Bandhan Preet Singh*
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
> The circle executive committee meeting of BSNLEU, Bihar Circle held on
> 17.08.2010(yesterday) at SARAOGI ATITHI SADAN, Kishanganj, Bihar. Apart from
> circle leaders of BSNLEU Mr P Abhimanyu, GS, BSNLEU and Mr Swapan
> Chakroborty, AGS, BSNLEU were also present. The CGMT bihar circle Mr Vijay
> Kumar addressed the Open Session.
>
> Although I attended this meeting, but I think I have missed a good chance
> to represent our case with well drafted letters on that platform due to
> my hectic departmental assignments prior to this. I did not get any type of
> help in this regards from my circle friends too.
>
> The meeting was focussed on the forthcoming elections in 2011.
>
> *In my speech , i raised the following points-*
> 1. Loss of pay to new recruits. I emphasized on fitments as in the case of
> Tamilnadu Govt.
> 2.Free mobile connections to TTAs and non-executives in Bihar as in HP and
> AP. I handed over the printed orders from these circles.
> 3.EPF problems.
> 4. Early LICE for JTO. For this I said that there is a need of negotiation
> among SNATTA, OJTOs and BSNLEU. I appealed that the court cases will not get
> the desired results to anyone. Best way is negotiation as OJTOs are also
> facing genuine problems so BSNLEU should step in and take steps to safe
> guard the interest of all.
> 5. Llaziness of management in sending nominations for SANCHAR AWARDS in
> various SSAs in Bihar.
>
> During my speech GS Mr Abhimanyu had not reached the venue. But after his
> arrival Mr Swapan Chakraborty, AGS apprised him the points raised by me.
>
> While GS was addressing the meeting he said that we had a good wage
> revision and he saw his pay increased by Rs7000. On this I instantly
> forwarded a slip writing
> *"WHAT ABOUT THE LOSS OF PAY TO THE EMPLOYEES RECRUITED ON OR AFTER
> 01.01.2007"*
> After reading the slip what he said is recorded in my mobile and here I am
> trying to reproduce his word here as he addressed in HIS Hindi please read
> full
>
> *jo log 31.12.2006 tak service me the ye sirf ve logon ka wage revision
> hai. jo 01.01.207 ya usake baad appointment mila unka wage revision nahin
> hai. lekin isme kya galti hui? jin logon ka appointment 01.01.2007 ke baad
> mila ve logon ko bhi galti se 50% IDA merger de diya. salary advance bhi de
> diya, lekin unka wage revision nahin hua. abhi central govt me kya hua jo
> 01.01.06 se wage revision mila matlab jo 31.12.05 koun koun service me the
> sirf we logon ko wage revision hai. isi vajah se problem hua. phir bhi hum
> ek principle ko maante hain. jo wage kal mila kal tak mil raha tha aaj usse
> kam nahin milna chahiye. us principle ko main maanta hun. isliye jab wage
> revision hua wage revision ka baatchit hua to us samay me hum ko maloom hai
> ye logon ka wage kam hoga. isliye management se discuss kiya ye sab logon ko
> fitment benifit dene ke liye management mana kar diya. wage revision me
> kaafi delayed hone ke vakah se logon ko bahut naaraz hua, gaali bhi de rahe
> the hamare union neta logon ko. hamare upar kafi dabab tha uske vajah se
> kuchh na kuchh jaldi karne ka jaroorat the. isliye humne kiya. bahut discuss
> hua. management ek cheese ke liye taiyar hua. kya cheez ke liye? jo log
> 01.01.07 se baad appointment hua agar ve logon ko wage differences hoga to
> usko personal pay ke roop me compensation milega. iska matlab kisi ko wage
> kam nahin hoga. lekin jab order nikale to point ko aisa kiya ki on the date
> of entry, isliye jo lodon ko date of increment wage revision ke pahle tha ve
> logon kopersonal pay mila. lekin kai logon ko appointment ke 4 mahine 5
> mahine ke baad pay difference hua uska personal pay nahin mila. ye to bada
> mudda hai. is par 31.8.2010 ko NCM hoga usme isko discuss karenge.*
> *
> *
> *hum ye bhi maang kar rahe hain Tamilnaadu govt jo wage revision kiya jis
> tarah se jo logon ko wage revision hua ve logon ke liye bhi fitments diya,
> hamara maang ye hai ki jo order Tamilnadu Govt implement kiya vahi BSNL me
> bhi implement karo. isko karne ke liye NCM me koshish karenge.*
> *
> *
> Our friend Mr Madhuranjan Jha, DS, SNATTA, Bhagalpur escorted the GS from
> airport and had detailed discussion on various issues especially on JTO LICE
> with him for nearly two hours.During this discussions the GS said that *the
> reduction in the qualifying service conditions from 7 years to 5years is
> his challenge and he will see that it is done*.
> While chatting during lunch hour with me he said that this 10 or 7 year
> condition is due to Mr. S C Mishra now member services as he said we need
> skilled man power for longer. If it is 3 or 5 years then people come and
> become JTO and there will be always shortage of staff at this level. on this
> i said that in this condition BSNL will not get quality manpower and it will
> get filled with *kachra *from the market as any qualified and skilled
> person always looks for career up gradation. From the First batch of TTAs
> there are majority of well qualified B Tech engineers, they will not come
> at this level now if u not attract them with good future. On this he said
> that this is the good point and genuine too.
>
> Lastly he assured us of our better future and said that look on for the
> next NCM.
>
> *deepak kumar *
> *9431610399*
> *
> *
>
>
>
>
--
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.
Think Different...Think Good..!!
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
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10a. Re: Fw: Re: TTABSNL Fw: reply of harjinder singh GOLA mail regrding
Posted by: "Er.PRITPAL SINGH" preetparu@yahoo.co.in preetparu
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:40 am ((PDT))
Dear Shailender
I am always feel the pain of my beloved TTA Cadre.I m not a new commers dear Secondly i u r more near to CC Hakam Singh than me i am more than 200 km away from him. If you realy want my help then tell me i will be there time and place will be of ur
choice.
WITH REGARDS
Er.PRITPAL SINGH
DISTT PRESIDENT SNATTA,BSNLEU
LCM MEMBER HOSHIARPUR
PUNJAB 09417073556
preet
--- On Wed, 18/8/10, shailendra saraswat <shailendrasaraswat@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: shailendra saraswat <shailendrasaraswat@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Fw: Re: TTABSNL Fw: reply of harjinder singh GOLA mail regrding blaim on ludhiana ttas
To: ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 18 August, 2010, 10:47 PM
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: shailendra saraswat <shailendrasaraswat@yahoo.co.in>
To: Er.PRITPAL SINGH <preetparu@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 10:46:07 PM
Subject: Re: Re: TTABSNL Fw: reply of harjinder singh GOLA mail regrding blaim on ludhiana ttas
dear pritpal,
THANKS FOR UR PROMPT ACTION AS EXPECTED FOR MY MAIL IN GROUP WRITTEN FOR HARJINDER SINGH ALIAS "GOLA"
now u feel the same what i feel for my or TTA cause i must say that u must mind ur language before commenting on any issue about which u even dont know any thing or dont ever tried to understand the problem. as much as u r trying to solve the case of so called injustice by CGM or any body else other than ur SSA ,the same voice of justice n proper cause i have raised here in ludhiana in very proper n decorative manner in last year u can see my mail n resignation on the circle cordinators mail and if u can u will get the detail of matter very clear and concluded.This was not done by CGM or anybody else but by our circle coodinator and circle secrty .Further every body here is victim of management in ur words the reason is different but in my opinion we must see our home first.Have u ever tried to know that why there is no district body till date in ludhiana despite having all the news in ur notice in the home ssa of our circle secrty? Why Mr hakam singh is
not supported by the local TTAs here despite he is a RCM,LCM,CC,So called defender and fighter for good causes ? How can all the TTas of SSA could be influenced by a single miscreant? In this reference Mr. Balwant Dhindsa TTA raikot also wrote a mail to our leaders WHO is the newcomer in Ludhiana n that mail never came to our group to save the skin of culprits ?
So have the guts to say right thing and dnt believe on any body blindly go through facts ,this is because that u have made some comments on the instructions of somebody in ur previous mails on me and the ingenuinity of Ludhiana TTAs problem!!! YOU are nobody to decide the seriousness of the other's matter if u feel that u r right on ur point then other may also.Tell those buddies to conduct the circle confrence in democratic way n let the people decide that what they desreve they get, there is no question of doubt?? So pls go through my mail cool n calm i can also write to u this personaly , but let the people feel the same problem .
HERE NOTHING IS PERSONAL MY DEAR U AND ME, EVERY BODY IS WORKING FOR THE SAKE OF SNATTA IF SOMEBODY TRY TO PRACTISE HIPPOCRACY THAT WILL NOT TOLERABLE AT ALL. MAY BE SOME PEOPLE ACCEPT IT BUT I AND MY KIND OF PEOPLE NEVER. REGARDS;
shailendra saraswat
From: Er.PRITPAL SINGH <preetparu@yahoo.co.in>
To: hakam singh <circlesecretarypunjab@gmail.com>; shailendrasaraswat@yahoo.co.in
Cc: snattachq@gmail.com
Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 10:01:05 PM
Subject: Fw: Re: TTABSNL Fw: reply of harjinder singh GOLA mail regrding blaim on ludhiana ttas
Dear Shailendra
First of all its my request you to dont mix my genuine operation with ur non genuine fight of Ludhiana SSA.What r u doing for Ludhiana thats up to u but one thing i must wanna to ask you "Mind ur language Mr shailendra""
According to u i m fighting for individual benifit, this shows that how ur thinking is very short.
Its not a individual fight i m fighting for whole cadre beacuse i cant demand for ANY type of AWARD. Management first nominate my name and then delayed my case this is my fight. this time i was the victim next time u and other may the victims instead of me. But one thing very cleard from ur writing that if u were the victim then u will not raise ur voice. Because persons like u cant understand what i want to say.
Secondly My dear friend u r right there may be more cases who will be deserving for Award then my dear friend why their GMs not sent their recommendation to Circle in my case my GM sent my case to circle even the DPC completed it means what i have did he was very well influenced with him. Do u want know the name of GM Mr S.K NIgam ur ex GM.When he in ur SSA they dont ready to solve ur Vehicle problem but when he is in Our SSA he alwys gave priority to vehicles for Broadbands.
Thirdly My dear firend if u have the figures of TTA who will be deserving for AWARD and management first nominate his then nit sending his recommendation and also their work done with projection as i have projecting my work with performas and reports then why r u silent why not u join me for jsutifying their work. Peoples like u always seeing the match not participating for batting, bowling or Fielding but always ready for criticising the batsman that our team lost the match because batsman batting very slowly and played for their Centuary.I am challenging u give the name of TTAs i will fight for them also read my mail of 22 when i raise my voice, before writing anything against to me.
MY DEAR FRIEND DURING MY CAMPS I AM SO MUCH BUSY THAT I HAVE SLEPT FOR ONLY 4-5 HOURS AND THE NOS OF SIMS WAS ACTIVATED AND ALSO REACHARGED BY ME FOR BEST UTILISING THE TIME I HAVE DONE THE BOTH ACTIVITIES BY SITTING IN BUS AND TOILET OF MY HOUSE. AND OUR GM VERY WELL KNOWING THIS AND AT THAT I WAS MORE BUSY THAN CHIEF MINISTER OF PUNJAB.
also if u still not understand then see the progress of BB and other products also.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST NEITHER I AFRAID FORM UR CRITICISM OR MANAGEMENT BEACUSE I M FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE WITH PROOFS IF SNATTA NOT READY THEN I M NOT FORCING HIM I HAVE THE GUTS AND U WILL SEE THE ACTION AND RESULT. THIS FIGHT FOR TTA CADRE NOT FOR AWARD BUT U NEVER UNDERSTAND IT .................
I
WITH REGARDS
Er.PRITPAL SINGH
DISTT PRESIDENT SNATTA,BSNLEU
LCM MEMBER HOSHIARPUR
PUNJAB 09417073556
preet
--- On Wed, 18/8/10, shailendra saraswat <shailendrasaraswat@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: shailendra saraswat <shailendrasaraswat@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: TTABSNL Fw: reply of harjinder singh GOLA mail regrding blaim on ludhiana ttas
To: ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 18 August, 2010, 6:12 PM
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: shailendra saraswat <shailendrasaraswat@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Cc: shailendra <shailly1979@gmail.com>; SNATTA <snattachq@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 17 August, 2010 11:15:52 AM
Subject: reply of harjinder singh GOLA mail regrding blaim on ludhiana ttas
dear pal GOLA alias Harjinder singh,
u n ur master hakam singh well known for ur miscreativity and making false charges n u r seems to be well infuenced by him.But if u have at least morality and honest confession gesture than only u could get the genuine
facts n able to understand the game played by your master hakam singh.
firstly u put blame on Ludhiana TTAs that they have done nothing,as u know that the executive district body was dissolved by your worthy hakam singh a long time before ur chargesheet n any other chargesheet matter,for which what u have done???And even u have casted ur vote for the democratically elected body of Ludhiana SSA, HAVE u ANY answer or even ur master hakam ??
-Who is creating such ruckuks n hurdles by just putting up the issues n matters of individual benefit like MR.pritpal singh n hakam singh?
- I have ur signature on the district body meeting held at community hall brs nagar ,Ludhiana along with all other TTAs of ludhiana n u r the first guy to surrender ur moral to hakam singh .I further want to ask u that who was the personn who invite u to that gathering n are u pressurised to attend the meeting and cast ur vote along with 80 other TTas there,ask urself or ur aka hakam singh ??CAN any body done this by his single wit n will?
-Further regarding ur charge sheet ,Do u have the guts to say that what u have done, done rightful? You have a daily visit to Bharat nagar to hakam n sitting in front of his office like a peon i hv the witness for that after 15 to 20 days u have got to pay ur sincere obedience to DISTRICT secrty. BSNLEU MR. balwinder singh in front of mine U have done a SASHTANG DANDVAT to his feet .I was prsent there n this was the way ur master hakam singh was dealing with ur matter at the very next moment i told to BALWINDER singh to sort out the matter earliest and he have committed to do that u was also present there alongwith MR. RAJINDER singh (HINDI OFFICER).
I also want to ask with other so called justice defenders mr.Pritpal singh that what he have done for Ludhiana issue whether he ever tried to call any body or me to know the matter? Now he wants that SNATTA must go for his so called SANCHAR DOOT mission! THESE people like try to solve their
personal issues using this mighty platform like SNATTA. Could he able to say that none other TTA deserving the AWARD or reccommendation or nobody is doing work here in BSNL Punjab?
-TTAs in PUNJAB or all over india except Chandigarh doing the job of BROADBAND outdoor on there own arrangements what the SNATTA Punjab and CHQ done for that despite of this so called award recommendation mission??
I have lot to say n tell their n your mischievios acts but better the way u people ask urself n try to confess that honest confess can cure ur ill deeds and mentality!!!
pls do work for noble n proper causes with right approach to maintain the SNATTA n its virtue.
Appealant
Shailendra Saraswat
Ludhiana
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11a. Re: higher studies
Posted by: "naresh valakati" naresh4people@yahoo.co.in naresh4people
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:40 am ((PDT))
Hi
EOL for study purpose or any reason will be granted after 5 years of service..
By that time your B.Tech validity will be completed..
Try to convert your regular B.Tech into Correspondens....
In other PSUs study leave is sanction after 2 years of service...
It all depends on PGM or GM .....
V. Naresh
TTA, HYDERABAD, AP
9491880002
--- On Wed, 18/8/10, Geetanjali Pandit <geetanjalipanditbsnl@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Geetanjali Pandit <geetanjalipanditbsnl@yahoo.com>
Subject: TTABSNL higher studies
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 18 August, 2010, 3:08 PM
hello to all.
i have joined BSNL on 19th October 2009.Dat time i finished 4 semesters of B.tech and 4 semesters are left.earlier i hav done diploma engg also.now i want to complete them.but i m finding no way to complete it.i m asking for extraordinary leave.still no use.plz suggest.i want leave rules of bsnl or any PSU.
thanx
regards
geetanjali pandit
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11b. Re: higher studies
Posted by: "V.K.Anand" vkanand810@yahoo.com vkanand810
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:39 am ((PDT))
Hi Geetanjali Pandit ,
It seems very difficult. People are facing problems even in geting permission
for corrospondance courses.Jharkhand Circle refused few requests of TTAs for
AMIE and MBA course.
For regular course it might be seriously difficult.
More over Extraordinary leave is not your right but you can always convince
management. Please take help of Syami hand book for leave rules.
kind regards,
V.K.Anand
TTA MSC , Jharkhand
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From: Geetanjali Pandit <geetanjalipanditbsnl@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 2:38:26 AM
Subject: TTABSNL higher studies
hello to all.
i have joined BSNL on 19th October 2009.Dat time i finished 4 semesters of
B.tech and 4 semesters are left.earlier i hav done diploma engg also.now i want
to complete them.but i m finding no way to complete it.i m asking for
extraordinary leave.still no use.plz suggest.i want leave rules of bsnl or any
PSU.
thanx
regards
geetanjali pandit
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11c. Re: higher studies
Posted by: "sudesh kumar bhardwaj" lucky_bsnl@yahoo.co.in lucky_bsnl
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:43 am ((PDT))
Please refer Swamy's book in which Local authority can give permission for regular study (not on leave only in off duty hours), taking into consideration that there will be no harm to your efficiency and they can get back the permission if they found any violation of the rule.
: Sudesh
--- On Wed, 18/8/10, Geetanjali Pandit <geetanjalipanditbsnl@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Geetanjali Pandit <geetanjalipanditbsnl@yahoo.com>
Subject: TTABSNL higher studies
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 18 August, 2010, 3:08 PM
hello to all.
i have joined BSNL on 19th October 2009.Dat time i finished 4 semesters of B.tech and 4 semesters are left.earlier i hav done diploma engg also.now i want to complete them.but i m finding no way to complete it.i m asking for extraordinary leave.still no use.plz suggest.i want leave rules of bsnl or any PSU.
thanx
regards
geetanjali pandit
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12a. Re: REGARDING CWC PUNJAB
Posted by: "DINKAR NATH NARAIN" dnath_2006@yahoo.co.in dnath_2006
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:43 am ((PDT))
Dear TTA Punjab Circle,
I 'm fully satisfied comments point out by sh Atul Kumar and Mr
Balwinder regarding this issue and some comments also point out by me also very
importent as following.
1. Mr Hakam singh i colpitt of mainly new TTA's and all TTA's on wage
revision issue as he disobeys instruction given to him by Mr Manish Samadhia
SNATTA Chief.
Next Comment will be given in next message
Thanks all
Yours
Dinkar , Jalandhar
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13.1. Re: Solution to the dedlock !!!!
Posted by: "V.K.Anand" vkanand810@yahoo.com vkanand810
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:38 am ((PDT))
Dear Amit ,
Thanks for the mail . Nice to see your ideas .
1.Now Initially we all supported the diversion case ... and I am still not
saying it is useless. Infact it is this case which has given us power to
negotiate ... If management does not comply with these steps we can always go
back to court. Lifting of court case might be post step of LICE implementation.
2. Regarding vacancies : It is calculated based on installed capacity of dells.
So with every installation of switch, vacancies get created. Since the sector is
growing, It can be assumed that vacancies will keep on coming. However it will
definitely depend on financial health of BSNL. In any case BSNL will always need
manpower.
Secondaly, as per Dir HRD, every year 18000 people
are retiring, They have JTOs also ,every year jtos are getting promotion there
by again creating vacancies... 50% of all of these vacancies goes to internal
quota.
Now even if majority of TTAs are promoted ... there will be regular vacancies
... so this process must start. The huge vacancy right now is a result of
accumulation since 2001 to 2009.
One very important thing : If we go by the present RR DR TTAs do not have any
right for the vacancies of 2008 and before. SO even if stay is vacated and
exams are conducted. some one will definitely go to court to bar us from
appering against vacancies from 2000-2008 or 2009. (Take ref. from SDE LICE )
These court cases have not born any fruits till now but has given us power of
negotiation . We can use it wisely and who knows it might click and gain 7000 +
vacancies for us which is not going to come to us any way ....?
have a regirous and break free discussion on this topic ... any short of
criticisiom/suggesation/comments are welcomed.
wishing you all a great carrer in BSNL...
your friend
V.K.Anand
Still :TTA MSC , Jharkhand
9431103335
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From: amit sharma <a1amit2005@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 10:50:30 AM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Solution to the dedlock !!!!
Hi..
Good to see your views and efforts for the cadre...
One thing i want to ask..
if there will be no or very less external vacancy of jto for next 5 to 7 years
or for any other reason there will be no recruitment for some more years in
DRJTO cader .. than from where the internal post will be created.. who will
gurantee that post will be created for internal candidates and our newly
recruited TTA will get that.. AT that time Mg-mt. will say .. there is no
vacancy left for internal competition..
i just have a doubt on this ...
it seems to me that the situation resembles what actually happening in
Kashmir... after 1947 some one came up with the idea NOW, to give away
KASHMIR... after sacrificing many soilders/paramiltary personnel s.. so that the
rest of the country remain in peace.. but there are many problem in our country
likewise CHINA for Arunachal Pardesh and LINE OF ACTUAL CONTROL ....
Let Kashmir go..(which is already half due to POK) but who will guarantee about
China for Arunachal and LOAC..((((((((( don't take my comments
otherwise..Please.. )))))))))
let WE sacrifice some no. for diversion and after that if we still didn't ABLE
to get any thing.. you can never know .. this is BSNL..
I don't have any doubts on your intentions Mr. Anand but i have on our Mgmt..
Also, i don't know exactly the technicality of the possibilities... .Mr.Dhiraj/
Mr Abhilash/Mr.Verma/Mr. Vikas/Mr.Bhandhan and many more our prestigious
members/CHQ might be having some expert comment on this...
Regards,
Amit
--- On Tue, 8/17/10, V.K.Anand <vkanand810@yahoo.com> wrote:
>From: V.K.Anand <vkanand810@yahoo.com>
>Subject: TTABSNL Solution to the dedlock !!!!
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:26 PM
>
>
>
>Dear Friends!!
>
>This is great to know that National conference is set to be held at GOA. I am
>sure this is going to be a historical one.
>
>
>Let me take this opportunity to initiate discussion on the most important agenda
>of "JTO LICE". We have seen and done all possible things to make it possible.
>Our unity, Strength, ability to resource funds and perseverance is remarkable.
>But sadly all these dedicated efforts have to born any fruit till now.
>
>
>We are fighting cases but reality at the moment is that JTO LICE is in rough
>weather. This is not only affecting 1st or 2nd batch but is killing the moral of
>new recruits as well. I have collected some information and after giving some
>thought developed some idea of solving the deadlock. Please remember that
>figures I am going to give might not be accurate or the solution might not be
>very attractive. I feel that now we need some middle path to solve the problem.
>
>
>As many of us know that Beneficiaries of diversion (OJTOS) is occupying top
>posts in almost all Non executive unions and this makes it difficult to convince
>the management and end loops of courts cases. I think we need to device a
>win-win situation for all stake holders.
>
>
>The brief story of Diversion, Jto lice and Ojtos:
>
>Pre 2000 management conducted a screening test to fill internal post of JTOs
>.BSNL took undertaking from each candidate that they will not be considered
>against vacancies of 2001 onwards. Vacancies were filled according to merit
>list. Many of them passed but were low in merit list. In subsequent years Union
>(NFTE) pressurized the management to divert some posts and accommodate these
>left out people. They were sent on training and given officiating as JTO before
>regularization. We won diversion case and now these diversions are pending.
>
>Let us first see who stake holders are:
>
>1. Management: Needs man power, as per one information 9200 internal post of
>JTOs are lying vacant till March 2009. (This figure might not be accurate but
>correct figure is with CHQ I guess). With new projects Management will need to
>fill up the vacancies fast.
>
>2.OJTOS : Officiating JTOs waiting for regularization. A total of 2173 OJTOs are
>waiting for regularization as on date. Eight Circles has no waiting list.
>Details are as follows:
>KRL 398 ,AP 293, MHR 208 , GJR 107 , WB 95 ,UPE 70, HRN 24,KTK 316,TND 258,MPCHG
>163,COLCTD 104 ,RJST 75,CHTD 53,JK 9
>
>3.DR TTA : We all recruited by Bsnl after yr .2000. 1st batch in vacancy against
>2000( people joined till 2005 against waiting list), 2nd batch in 2007, 3ed
>batch in 2009.( This detail is as per Jharkahnd circle. this might slightly
>differ with other circles.
>
>The proposed solution :
> * OJTOs lift CAT Ernakulam case . We lift Contempt of court case.
> * We allow one time diversion of 2173 waiting OJTOs subject to fulfillment of
>following demands.
> * Still vacancies left =9200-2173= 7027.
> * BSNL conducts the LICE/Screening test as per revised RR.As it is the case now
>only 1st batch is eligible. 2nd batch will be eligible in 2014 or in 2012 ( if
>RR is revised to 5 years). Since 1st batch strength will be far less then the
>vacancy management can be convinced to conduct screening test only. Still ample
>vacancies will be unfilled.
> * Sighting these unfilled vacancies RR could be further revised to bring down
>eligibility criteria to 5 years. SO the next Exam could be conducted as soon as
>2nd batch completes 5 years i.e. in 1012. and so on for coming batches.
> * LICE should be conducted regularly.
> * Special relaxation of 2 years may be granted for those who have completed
>AMIE/ Degree.
>These steps might not look very attractive instantly. In first go it looks like
>we are back tracking. But believe me friends in lieu of 2173 posts we might gain
>7027 and many more vacancies after 2009 and so on. This solution will gain
>support of OJTOs and most of unions as OJTOs are active in FNTO, NFTE, TEPU and
>BSNLEU.
>
>Having said that I still understand that it is a tough task. This will require a
>very strong will and effort, negotiation , meetings and what not to achieve this
>. We at jharkhand have already started discussion with different Union to
>explore the possibility of implementation.
>
>I request each of my friends old and new to Read this , think and discuss. I
>hope CHQ will think over it.
>
>
>May god bless us to achieve our goal .
>
>Thanks for your time!!!!
>
>Kind regards,
>
>V.K.Anand
>TTA MSC , Jharkhand
>9431103335
>
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14. long form of AFB
Posted by: "rahul" rahul_mjamane@yahoo.com rahul_mjamane
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:54 am ((PDT))
If anybody knows pl tell me the long form of AFB card exist in RSU
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