ttabsnl94: [TTABSNL] Digest Number 1627

There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA
1b. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
From: shahulhameed noorulameen
1c. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
From: bsnl_chd
1d. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
From: abhijit darunkar
1e. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
From: Sandip Solanki
1f. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA
1g. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
From: V.K.Anand
1h. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
From: sudesh kumar bhardwaj

2a. Re: pay scale for non executive.
From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA

3a. Re: urgent attention plz
From: shahulhameed noorulameen
3b. Re: urgent attention plz
From: dharmen24
3c. Re: urgent attention plz
From: muralidharan muralidharan
3d. Re: urgent attention plz
From: Santosh J. Devadiga

4. (Must Read) Wonderful mail circulating in favour of RAJ Thackerey.
From: BP Singh

5. wage benefits----ttas
From: kalyan kar

6a. Re: Letter to VAN Nambodri
From: kalyan kar
6b. Re: Letter to VAN Nambodri
From: pradip panigrahy

7. MUST READ>>> Latest News from ww.SNATTA.org
From: BP Singh

8a. Re: Broadband Problem
From: Er. Munish Bhatheja

9.1. mutual transfer
From: naincee geda

10. BSNLEU Bihar Circle conference
From: s h

11. The Formation of Bhagalpur SSA
From: s h

12. THANKS
From: Deepak Kumar

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1a. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
Posted by: "VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA" vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com vikas8bsnl
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:24 am ((PST))

Dear Shahnawaz,
I am afraid but this is no achievement of any sorts,you are actually congratulating someone for changing his loyalties to BSNLEU from SNATTA.This will weaken our association as a result and the commitment to work for the TTA community would be lost.How can you expect an Asst Circle Secretary BSNLEU to speak up against the wrongs done by his own union and its leaders.
We should not encourage anyone to follow on same lines and if anyone has taken this step then he should leave primary membership of SNATTA otherwise he would not be able to do full justice to either affiliation.

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511

visit me at:http://bikesandgadgets.wordpress.com/

________________________________
From: s h <shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in>
To: snatta <ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com>; sanchar nigam <snattachq@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 21 December, 2009 1:28:37 PM
Subject: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak

Dear All

Our active member Sri Deepak Kumar of Katihar district elected as Asst Circle Secretary BSNLEU ,Bihar. This is a major achievement for SNATTA Bihar Circle. I congratulate him on behalf of all the TTAs in the cirlce for his grand achievement. I hope this will certainly encourage our other friends also.

The detailed news of the conference will be available soon. Have a nice day.

Shahnawaz Akhtar
Circle Secretary
SNATTA
Bihar
9431094583
Email:- shah.nib@gmail. com

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1b. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
Posted by: "shahulhameed noorulameen" noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in noorulameen2006
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:55 am ((PST))

Dear,

Let us not feel joy of filling up the coveted posts of BSNLEU when our junior TTAs are deprived of their rights in new wage revision. Instead of decorating the helm, please try to influence the recognised union or management to do some justice for the post 2007 TTAs before getting time barred. Else, this motive could be felt as a ploy to divide our SNATTA thru incentives from BSNLEU, because our reasonable demands of better pay scale was never put forth by the recognised union in the right prespective.

Let us find out the ways and means to render justice for them. Atleast try to get an immediate appointment with Honourable CMD to apprise him about our resentments, bcoz on earlier occasion, we withdraw our mass CL to press our demands through CMD's assurances to our office bearers.
SN Ameen, Riyadh, KSA

00966555802143

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From: s h <shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in>
To: snatta <ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com>; sanchar nigam <snattachq@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 21 December, 2009 10:58:37 AM
Subject: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak

Dear All

The detailed news of the conference will be available soon. Have a nice day.

Shahnawaz Akhtar
Circle Secretary
SNATTA
Bihar
9431094583
Email:- shah.nib@gmail. com

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1c. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
Posted by: "bsnl_chd" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:51 am ((PST))

dear vikas,

i disagree with u on this particular issue.
pls think the other way round.

we can have insider news and views of BSNLEU at mgmt level and have some say at some point. we need people with guts to say right things at right time..in short i think there are more pros then cons.

bandhan

--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Shahnawaz,
> I am afraid but this is no achievement of any sorts,you are actually congratulating someone for changing his loyalties to BSNLEU from SNATTA.This will weaken our association as a result and the commitment to work for the TTA community would be lost.How can you expect an Asst Circle Secretary BSNLEU to speak up against the wrongs done by his own union and its leaders.
> We should not encourage anyone to follow on same lines and if anyone has taken this step then he should leave primary membership of SNATTA otherwise he would not be able to do full justice to either affiliation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Vikas Kumar Gupta
> TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
> 9431100511
>
> visit me at:http://bikesandgadgets.wordpress.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: s h <shah_pat_nib@...>
> To: snatta <ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com>; sanchar nigam <snattachq@...>
> Sent: Mon, 21 December, 2009 1:28:37 PM
> Subject: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak
>
>
> Dear All
>
> Our active member Sri Deepak Kumar of Katihar district elected as Asst Circle Secretary BSNLEU ,Bihar. This is a major achievement for SNATTA Bihar Circle. I congratulate him on behalf of all the TTAs in the cirlce for his grand achievement. I hope this will certainly encourage our other friends also.
>
> The detailed news of the conference will be available soon. Have a nice day.
>
> Shahnawaz Akhtar
> Circle Secretary
> SNATTA
> Bihar
> 9431094583
> Email:- shah.nib@gmail. com
>
> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo. com/
>
>
>
>
> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
>

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1d. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
Posted by: "abhijit darunkar" darunkar@gmail.com abhi6567
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:16 pm ((PST))

I totaly agree with bandhan,
if you want to change the system or to get anything from it, you need to be
a part of it first.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:12 PM, bsnl_chd <email13@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> dear vikas,
>
> i disagree with u on this particular issue.
> pls think the other way round.
>
> we can have insider news and views of BSNLEU at mgmt level and have some
> say at some point. we need people with guts to say right things at right
> time..in short i think there are more pros then cons.
>
> bandhan
>
>
> --- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com <TTABSNL%40yahoogroups.com>, VIKAS KUMAR
> GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Shahnawaz,
> > I am afraid but this is no achievement of any sorts,you are actually
> congratulating someone for changing his loyalties to BSNLEU from SNATTA.This
> will weaken our association as a result and the commitment to work for the
> TTA community would be lost.How can you expect an Asst Circle Secretary
> BSNLEU to speak up against the wrongs done by his own union and its leaders.
> > We should not encourage anyone to follow on same lines and if anyone has
> taken this step then he should leave primary membership of SNATTA otherwise
> he would not be able to do full justice to either affiliation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Vikas Kumar Gupta
> > TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
> > 9431100511
> >
> > visit me at:http://bikesandgadgets.wordpress.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: s h <shah_pat_nib@...>
> > To: snatta <ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com <ttabsnl%40yahoogroups.com>>;
> sanchar nigam <snattachq@...>
>
> > Sent: Mon, 21 December, 2009 1:28:37 PM
> > Subject: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak
> >
> >
> > Dear All
> >
> > Our active member Sri Deepak Kumar of Katihar district elected as Asst
> Circle Secretary BSNLEU ,Bihar. This is a major achievement for SNATTA Bihar
> Circle. I congratulate him on behalf of all the TTAs in the cirlce for his
> grand achievement. I hope this will certainly encourage our other friends
> also.
> >
> > The detailed news of the conference will be available soon. Have a nice
> day.
> >
> > Shahnawaz Akhtar
> > Circle Secretary
> > SNATTA
> > Bihar
> > 9431094583
> > Email:- shah.nib@gmail. com
> >
> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.
> http://in.yahoo. com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.
> http://in.yahoo.com/
> >
>
>
>

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1e. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
Posted by: "Sandip Solanki" sandip4net@yahoo.co.in sandip4net
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:16 pm ((PST))

Dear Vikas,
I think you got it wrong.
TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO BE THE PART OF THE SYSTEM.
As we are now the part of the system ( Recognised Union ), we have gained so much ( if all remember the single agenda programm of SNATTA decided in 2003-2004 ). But I don't think everyone remembers.
Forming an association resulted to this. Having a representation in Recognition may in future result in the better future of most hardworking personels.
The idea is that though a person is a part of BSNLEU, he should be dedicated to the future of TTAs.

Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440

--- On Mon, 21/12/09, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 21 December, 2009, 4:20 PM

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511

visit me at:http://bikesandgadg ets.wordpress. com/

From: s h <shah_pat_nib@ yahoo.co. in>
To: snatta <ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>; sanchar nigam <snattachq@gmail. com>
Sent: Mon, 21 December, 2009 1:28:37 PM
Subject: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak

Dear All

The detailed news of the conference will be available soon. Have a nice day.

Shahnawaz Akhtar
Circle Secretary
SNATTA
Bihar
9431094583
Email:- shah.nib@gmail. com

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1f. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
Posted by: "VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA" vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com vikas8bsnl
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:15 pm ((PST))

Dear Sandip,
What happens when BSNLEU ceases to be the recognised union?Or lets assume NFTE/FNTO alliance get the majority votes in next verification,then what?Will all the SNATTA members who have taken up offices in BSNLEU step down and take membership of NFTE.I dont think being office bearer they will have guts to stand and speak against the wrongs done by their leaders and union for the fear of losing their new found status.Having representations in recognized union is different thing and being a member is different altogether.BSNLEU already counts TTAs as their members because many of them are actually contributing towards monthly subscription fees,we got few seats in LCM and RCM due to this.

Bandhan said "we can have insider news and views of BSNLEU at mgmt level and have
some say at some point. we need people with guts to say right things at
right time"

I disagree my friend,what's the use of being a insider when the union itself becomes an outsider(assumption,as per current trends),then even with people with guts to say right things we would not find a right place.Remember,we got seats in different committees because we were members of SNATTA.In coalition politics you have to stand out to be seen and respected otherwise you will loose your unique identity by merging with a bigger and stronger partner.

In my opinion we should drop the dual membership clause from our constitution.What happens if someone accepts a post in NFTE or FNTO,should this be also encouraged and congratulated?

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511

visit me at:http://bikesandgadgets.wordpress.com/

________________________________
From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 22 December, 2009 11:32:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak

Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440

--- On Mon, 21/12/09, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo. com> wrote:

>From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo. com>
>Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Date: Monday, 21 December, 2009, 4:20 PM
>
>
>
>Dear Shahnawaz,
> I am afraid but this is no achievement of any sorts,you are actually congratulating someone for changing his loyalties to BSNLEU from SNATTA.This will weaken our association as a result and the commitment to work for the TTA community would be lost.How can you expect an Asst Circle Secretary BSNLEU to speak up against the wrongs done by his own union and its leaders.
>We should not encourage anyone to follow on same lines and if anyone has taken this step then he should leave primary membership of SNATTA otherwise he would not be able to do full justice to either affiliation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Vikas Kumar Gupta
>TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
>9431100511
>
>
>visit me at:http://bikesandgadg ets.wordpress. com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: s h <shah_pat_nib@ yahoo.co. in>
>To: snatta <ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>; sanchar nigam <snattachq@gmail. com>
>Sent: Mon, 21 December, 2009 1:28:37 PM
>Subject: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak
>
>
>Dear All
>
>Our active member Sri Deepak Kumar of Katihar district elected as Asst Circle Secretary BSNLEU ,Bihar. This is a major achievement for SNATTA Bihar Circle. I congratulate him on behalf of all the TTAs in the cirlce for his grand achievement. I hope this will certainly encourage our other friends also.
>
>The detailed news of the conference will be available soon. Have a nice day.
>
>Shahnawaz Akhtar
>Circle Secretary
>SNATTA
>Bihar
>9431094583
>Email:- shah.nib@gmail. com
>
>The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo. com/
>
>________________________________
>The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.

________________________________
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1g. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
Posted by: "V.K.Anand" vkanand810@yahoo.com vkanand810
Date: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:21 am ((PST))

Hi Group,

This will be like some BJP Members take membership of Congress to become part of the system.

We are an assosiation and supported BSNLU bsed on some demands. I feel whatever importance we are getting is because of seperate existance as an Assosiation i.e. SNATTA.At least we have a platform to speak.

Today we are less in numbers but tommorow we might be largest crder in non-executive as only TTAs are being recruited. Who knows may be in next few years Snatta may consider contesting membership verification on its own?

We have not failed as an Assosiation..only acheivements are countable. But it is the number game.Prior to SNATTA we were part of different unions and did not get a single benifit.The SYSTEM then in power THE NFTE did all the harm to our cader inspite of may TTAs being its members. Lets support the organisation and remain united ...

UNITED WE STAND , DEVIDED WE FALL!!!!

Kind regards,

V.K.Anand
TTA VAS, CMTS , Ranchi

--- On Tue, 12/22/09, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 12:05 AM

Dear Sandip,
What happens when BSNLEU ceases to be the recognised union?Or lets assume NFTE/FNTO alliance get the majority votes in next verification, then what?Will all the SNATTA members who have taken up offices in BSNLEU step down and take membership of NFTE.I dont think being office bearer they will have guts to stand and speak against the wrongs done by their leaders and union for the fear of losing their new found status.Having representations in recognized union is different thing and being a member is different altogether.BSNLEU already counts TTAs as their members because many of them are actually contributing towards monthly subscription fees,we got few seats in LCM and RCM due to this.

Bandhan said "we can have insider news and views of BSNLEU at mgmt level and have some say at some point. we need people with guts to say right things at right time"

I disagree my friend,what' s the use of being a insider when the union itself becomes an outsider(assumption ,as per current trends),then even with people with guts to say right things we would not find a right place.Remember, we got seats in different committees because we were members of SNATTA.In coalition politics you have to stand out to be seen and respected otherwise you will loose your unique identity by merging with a bigger and stronger partner.

In my opinion we should drop the dual membership clause from our constitution. What happens if someone accepts a post in NFTE or FNTO,should this be also encouraged and congratulated?

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511

visit me at:http://bikesandgadg ets.wordpress. com/

From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Tue, 22 December, 2009 11:32:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak

Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440

--- On Mon, 21/12/09, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, 21 December, 2009, 4:20 PM

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511

visit me at:http://bikesandgadg ets.wordpress. com/

From: s h <shah_pat_nib@ yahoo.co. in>
To: snatta <ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>; sanchar nigam <snattachq@gmail. com>
Sent: Mon, 21 December, 2009 1:28:37 PM
Subject: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak

Dear All

The detailed news of the conference will be available soon. Have a nice day.

Shahnawaz Akhtar
Circle Secretary
SNATTA
Bihar
9431094583
Email:- shah.nib@gmail. com

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo. com/

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1h. Re: Congratulation Mr. Deepak
Posted by: "sudesh kumar bhardwaj" lucky_bsnl@yahoo.co.in lucky_bsnl
Date: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:22 am ((PST))

I also disagree with Mr. Gupta, bcoz if Mr. Deepak is having caliber, so they mustn't loose the oppirtunity. Their performance as Asstt. CS would be much better rather than a TTA.
Sudesh
TTA (Mktg)
Amritsar
9417627676

--- On Tue, 22/12/09, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 12:35 PM

Bandhan said "we can have insider news and views of BSNLEU at mgmt level and have some say at some point. we need people with guts to say right things at right time"

In my opinion we should drop the dual membership clause from our constitution.What happens if someone accepts a post in NFTE or FNTO,should this be also encouraged and congratulated?

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511

visit me at:http://bikesandgadgets.wordpress.com/

From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 22 December, 2009 11:32:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak

Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440

--- On Mon, 21/12/09, VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, 21 December, 2009, 4:20 PM

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511

visit me at:http://bikesandgadg ets.wordpress. com/

From: s h <shah_pat_nib@ yahoo.co. in>
To: snatta <ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com>; sanchar nigam <snattachq@gmail. com>
Sent: Mon, 21 December, 2009 1:28:37 PM
Subject: [TTABSNL] Congratulation Mr. Deepak

Dear All

The detailed news of the conference will be available soon. Have a nice day.

Shahnawaz Akhtar
Circle Secretary
SNATTA
Bihar
9431094583
Email:- shah.nib@gmail. com

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo. com/

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.

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2a. Re: pay scale for non executive.
Posted by: "VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA" vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com vikas8bsnl
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:43 am ((PST))

Dear friends,

I am trying to carry on the debate as what should be the pay scale of aTTA at entry level.I had apprehended this situation on the very day DPE notified the revised pay scales for executives in CPSEs,and CHQ tried its best to avert this ugly situation where a person is at a loss just because he is on other side of a date of revision.We had given all justifications in support of our demand of upgrading our scales in the lines of VI th pay comm and this has been discussed also in the last meeting.But I must say the leaders at the helm of whole affairs have failed miserably in clinching a deal that could have been a little better with some good homework.

The management has always tried to put us in a disadvantageous position by comparing us with the lowest in cadre of executives.Why should the pay scale of TTA who is topmost live cadre in non executives be compared with the ones who are juniormost(JTOs) in executives.If there has to be any parity in the relativity then it should be one to one.NE-1 with E1,NE-2 with E2 and likewise NE7 with E7.The multiple factor is not uniform to reach at the minimum of scales for executives,in fact it has increasing as we go up in the hierarchy,then why should this be uniform in NE scales.

But this should not be the reason to form a separate group within a group,this would not be healthy for TTA community.Non executives were already divided in separate factions BSNLEU,FNTO,NFTE,SNATTA,and now some of our friends are trying to form one more,this would not help anyone.

This matter can be taken up by the CHQ,and in fact was and is already in the top of agendas I hope.

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,BSNL,Jharkhand
9431100511

visit me at:http://bikesandgadgets.wordpress.com/

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From: VIKAS KUMAR GUPTA <vikas8bsnl@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 13 September, 2009 1:40:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.

Dear Chandan and all,

The pay anamoly that Rishi and Girish have anticipated is not altogether baseless.I think they have a very valid point and we should see that there is no discrimination with new and old TTAs.And goverment has a very little role to play in pay determination of non executives in CPSUs,it just issues a broad guidelines,a frame of rules and policies within which everything has to be finalised with mutual agreement and consent of Union and Management.Beacause,as unionised workers we have a right to negotiate on wages and other industrial disputes ,but the executives are at the mercy of government and DPE as they are just given a chance to be heard but it is finally the report of Committee which after approval of the Govt and DPE is followed in all PSUs.But we are called for agreement

Reagrding the pay anamoly I would like to explain it with some examples:---

In Railways,entry level of JE--------------------rs 5000
after fitment of 1.86 now its --------------------rs 9300(5000*1.86)+ 4200(40 % of 10500,upper limit of the scales which are merged)

5000,5500,(6500-10500) are merged after VI pay comm .

So,now a JE who joined before 1.1.2006(date of revision in govt dept,railways) is getting 9300+4200+da+hra+misc and a JE who joined after 1.1.2006 is also getting same amount ie 9300+4200+da+hra+misc .starting basic is 13500 for both.

Suppose a JE has reached a basic of 5800 in the scale of 5000 with annual increment of rs 200.
then his new basic is 5800*1.86+4200=14988.

We can conclude that the fitment is universal,ie equal at all levels,entry level or even after 4 or 8 years of service the fitment benefit is 1.86.

But in BSNL what happened to JTO pay scale?
It was 9850 pre revised and now its proposed at 18850.(68.2 da neut and just 13 % fitment)
as per the fitment formula 9850 should have been

9850*1.682*1.3-------------rs 21538
(68.2 % da neutralisation and 30% fitment)

this has resulted in a serious pay anamoly.JTO who joined bsefore 1.1.2007 is now placed at rs 21538 but a jto who joined after this date will get just 18850.the difference is almost 3000 in basic alone which is just too much.So with just single day you face a loss of 3000 in basic alone.
So we conclude that the fitment is not equal.If the fitment is 30 % then it should be at all levels,also at entry level.

No one made hue and cry over this initially,even AIGETOA woke up from its sleep very becuase it feared it may lose prospective members .Recently it has riased its voice but that too for 2005 JTOs ,but what about those who have been recruited after 2007,why should they get less fitment.Any way this matter cant be solved by BSNL alone because the pay scale has been approved by DPE and applicable to all CPSUs.

But we are at benefit becuase our scale is yet to be finalised,the wage comm has to ensure that the fitment is universal.If its 68.2 % da neutralisation and 30 % fitment formula then the new scale of TTA should be 7100*1.682*1.3=rs 15524 at the minimum.And its obvious that the TTA s who have served longer years would get benefit by virtue of the length of service,but the fitment would still be the same.

tta joined before 1.1.2007,starting basic --7100 will be revised to 15524

tta joined after 1.1.2007,starting basic --7100 will be revised to 15524
if my basic is 8500 after 7 years of service then new basic--8500*1.682*1.3=rs 18586

But SNATTA is trying its best to get the pay scale upgraded from 7100 to higher scales and we have given justificationsfor that,So,f it happens then the new TTA would be benefitted more then the older ones.

So at the minimum it should be rs 15524 to avoid any kind of anamoly.In other words the fitment formula should be applicable at all stages uniformally.

bye

Vikas Kumar Gupta
TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,Jharkhand
9471590026

--- On Sat, 12/9/09, CHANDAN KUMAR SAMAL <chandan_bsnl@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

>From: CHANDAN KUMAR SAMAL <chandan_bsnl@yahoo.co.in>
>Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Saturday, 12 September, 2009, 1:41 AM
>
>
>
>Hi
>Rishi & Girish
>Pay commission sits in every 10 years. Don't you think that those who joined 20/30 years back must have seen few wage revisions also. there pay was last time revised in 1997. At that time also these things must have happened. Those who joined after 1.1. 1997 must be at a disadvantage/ Advantage than the others who were rectted earlier than 1.1.1997. That's what sandip was trying to make u understand.
>
>So dear, it is the Govt that takes decisions as to who should get how much. and Govt takes decisions to be followed, not to be discussed.
>
> and u know, the funniest thing is that u people have anticipated a problem and want SNATTA to speak for u. PLEASE have a little patience. who knows 2007 rectted TTAs may be at a advantagous position than 2001 rectted just like it happened in last PRC. Also have a close watch on what happens in the case of 2005 batch JTOs. If there anomoly is solved then yours will also be solved automatically. If there problem remains as it is, then forget SNATTA, even GOD can't speak for u.
>
>bye
>Chandan
>
>
>
>
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From: rishi singh <rishi12353@yahoo. com>
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 6:37:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
>
>
>Dear sandip
>
> if service period is under consideration then people who join bsnl(dot) 20 or 30 yrs back n now working in same cadre of TTA ,they sud get double or triple salary compaired to batch 2002.
>
>as per govt. rule n tradition revised salary sud be uniform 4 all(cadre wise)....n thats wat arrears matters,who joined early he will got arrears.by the way why ur logic is not applicable to MT recruitment with their pay scale????
>
>regards
>rishi
>TTA,bangalore
>
>--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
>>Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>>Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 5:37 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Girish Kumar,
>>Don't be so exited. We have serve the department for last 7 years and for that we are getting the 30% fitment. You have just entered in to. The revision of scales will decide your benefit. But it will definately not at par with the recruitees before 1.1.2007 and it is ligible. The fitment is the part of service before the wage revision, that is not applicable in 2008 and 2009 batch.
>>There is nothing to think of. We are trying our best for better Revised Scales. Even we have demanded that they should be revised as per the DPE guidlines. Then it will be about 16400/-. Let's see what happens.
>>Don't ever try to mislead someone that there will be injustice to 2008 & 2009 batch. This is the rule.
>>
>>
>>
>>Er. Sandip Solanki
>>C.C., SNATTA,
>>Rajkot - GUJARAT
>>09429244440
>>
>>--- On Thu, 10/9/09, Gireesh Kumar <gireesh.klm@ gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: Gireesh Kumar <gireesh.klm@ gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
>>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>>>Date: Thursday, 10 September, 2009, 8:30 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In this Wage Revision there will not be any benefit for Newly Recruited TTAs, Isn't It ??
>>>
>>>
>>>Who will speak for Us ????????
>>>
>>>Wt R the actions taken by SNATTA in this regard ???????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Gireesh Kumar M
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:11 PM, VENKATESAN RAD <venk212@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>HI,
>>>> EXPECTED PAY IF IT IS 30% FITMANT
>>>>
>>>> TTA 2002 TTA 2008
>>>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- -
>>>>
>>>> OLD PAY SCALE NEW SCALE OF PAY
>>>>BASIC 7100-200-10100 14500-30400( 3% annual inc)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TTA 2002 BATCH WILL GET 30% FIT ALONG WITH NEW BASIC AS ON 1-1-2007. IT MAY BE AROUND Rs. 18850+24%DA+ HRA+DIET+ TA. TOTAL EMULANTS AROUND
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BASIC 18850
>>>> DA 4524
>>>> HRA 1885
>>>> DIET 500
>>>> TA 300
>>>> ------------ -----
>>>> 26059
>>>> ------------ ----
>>>>
>>>>NEW TTA MAY GET NO FIT APPLICABLE FOR NEW JOIN AFTER 1-1-2007
>>>>
>>>> basic 14900
>>>> da 3480
>>>> HRA 1490
>>>> DIET 500
>>>> TA 300
>>>> ------------ --------- --
>>>>GROSS 20766
>>>> ------------ --------- --
>>>>
>>>>THIS IS ONLY APPROXIMATE BUT NEW TTA GET VERY LESS COMPARE TO OLD TTA.
>>>>
>>>>BY
>>>>ER. M. RAJESH KUMAR TTA
>>>>CMTS, PALACODE 9443200084
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>"..dar ke Aaage Jeeth Hei.."
>>>Gireesh Kumar M
>>>
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3a. Re: urgent attention plz
Posted by: "shahulhameed noorulameen" noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in noorulameen2006
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:05 am ((PST))

Dear All

I don't agree with all remarks of Mr. Raaz Dcool, because, we know that the efforts taken by our SNATTA CHQ and the office bearers to get a better pay revision for TTAs, are sincere. We anticipated a better wage revision wherein, the juniors will also be benefited even without 30% fitment. I feel that this could be a foul play by BSNLEU as they did not take up our demand earnestly in order to split our DRTTA cadre so that one group may support them always in future verifications.

Also, SNATTA CHQ is now trying its level best to rectify the fault in pay revision for newly recruited TTAs. If any active TTAs from junior batch is available in Delhi or Pujab, they can contact and get guidance from our CHQ or office bearers for the future course of action. It must be done well within the stipulated acceptance date, i.e. 29 Dec 2009.

Atleast, the office bearers may discuss the matter with legal groups to take necessary remedial action immediately. This includes non-acceptance of new salary as proposed in an earlier mail or any other legal/direct action. Pse don't delay further. The action should be swift and prompt.

Newly recruited TTAs, don't think about any reduction in already drawing salary. It is against the labour laws, so it will never happen. Also, never try to split the SNATTA, because, this divide and rule policy is proposed by some vested union people and is against the ethos of our cadre. Also, such evil design will set as a bad precedence to new comers. It is the recognised union which hits us back and proved to be not trustworthy. In near future, our cadre is only going to decide the policy of BSNL Mgmt, as the oldies are getting cleansed up gradually and only TTAs/JTOs will alone be recruited enmass for the entire functioning of BSNL. So we are going to have a bright future as long as BSNL exists. Hence never get carried away by rumours and evil designs of opponents, because our fratern will never be jealous of any new entrant TTA's prosperity or career progression.

More We Unite, Easy We Win.

SN Ameen, Riyadh, KSA
00966555802143

--- On Sun, 20/12/09, Razz Dcool <razzdcool@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Razz Dcool <razzdcool@yahoo.com>
Subject: [TTABSNL] urgent attention plz
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 20 December, 2009, 10:02 PM

Dear all,

What i feel after talking to other new recruited TTA's that they have lost faith in the leaders of SNATTA, but it is not their fault. What they are being told by the other union leaders even by the BSNLEU is that, it is the their senior TTA which don't took interest to raise the the wage of new recruited TTA only because they jelous of them.SNATTA leaders can represent the new recruited TTA's side very effectively but they don't want to do so because they need some post in BSNLEU.Now in agression the new recruited TTA's of batch 08 & 09 are planning to make a separate association. We should not allow this to happen, it will divide our strength.I think to divide TTA's strenght is management's & other union's planning. We should do our best to solve the issue of wage of new recruited TTA's. It is the only way which can keep us united & will keep the faith of new recruited TTA's in SNATTA.

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3b. Re: urgent attention plz
Posted by: "dharmen24" ripu.verma@gmail.com dharmen24
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:21 am ((PST))

Dear Friends
Personally I am for the idea of having more number of Unions or
Associations . BSNL being a very vast company and having so many
irregularities in functioning will always have challenges to meet up on.
The more number of associations/ unions will give more people the chance
to fight for their rights with the management or with the recognised
union in BSNL on their rational and reasoning.
Rest assure that SNATTA CHQ has always tried to its level best to solve
the problems of DRTTAs viz. qualifying service in JTO LICE, Designation
Change, Rule-8 Inter and Intra transfers, Training in the apex
institutes like ALTTC etc., and the Wage Revision. It is otherwise that
the success has been limited but by no means a smaller one.
I will always welcome the bold steps taken by our new friends be it a
new association.
YoursDharmendra VermaG.S. SNATTA
--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, shahulhameed noorulameen
<noorulameen2006@...> wrote:
>
> DearÂ AllÂ
> Â
> Â I don't agree with all remarks of Mr. Raaz Dcool, because, we
know that the efforts taken by our SNATTA CHQ and the office bearers to
get a better pay revision for TTAs, are sincere. Â We anticipated a
better wage revision wherein, the juniors willÂ also be benefited
even without 30% fitment. I feel that this could be a foul play by
BSNLEU as they did not take up our demand earnestly in order to split
our DRTTA cadre so that one group may support them always in future
verifications.
> Â
> Also, SNATTA CHQ is now trying its level best to rectify the fault in
pay revision for newly recruited TTAs. If any active TTAs from junior
batch is available in Delhi or Pujab, they can contact and get guidance
from our CHQ or office bearers for the future course of action. It must
be done well within the stipulated acceptance date, i.e. 29 Dec 2009.
> Â
> Atleast, the office bearers may discuss the matter with legal groups
to take necessary remedial action immediately. This includesÂ
non-acceptance of new salary asÂ proposed in an earlier mail or any
other legal/direct action. Pse don't delay further. The action should be
swift and prompt.
> Â
> Newly recruited TTAs, don'tÂ think about any reduction in already
drawing salary. It is against the labour laws, so it will never happen.
Also, never try to split the SNATTA, because, this divide and rule
policy is proposed by some vested union people and is against the ethos
of our cadre. Also, such evil design will set as a badÂ precedence to
new comers. It is the recognised union which hits usÂ back and proved
to be not trustworthy. In near future, our cadre is only going to decide
the policy of BSNL Mgmt, as the oldies are getting cleansed up gradually
and onlyÂ TTAs/JTOs will alone be recruitedÂ enmass for the
entire functioning of BSNL. So we are going to have a bright future as
long as BSNL exists. Hence never get carried away by rumours and evil
designs of opponents, because our fratern will never be jealous of any
new entrant TTA's prosperity or career progression.
> Â
> More We Unite, Easy We Win.Â Â
>
> SN Ameen, Riyadh, KSA
> 00966555802143
>
>
> --- On Sun, 20/12/09, Razz Dcool razzdcool@... wrote:
>
>
> From: Razz Dcool razzdcool@...
> Subject: [TTABSNL] urgent attention plz
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 20 December, 2009, 10:02 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
> Â
> What i feel after talking to other new recruited TTA's that they have
lost faith in the leaders of SNATTA, but it is not their fault. What
they are being told by the otherÂ union leaders even by the
BSNLEUÂ isÂ that, it is the their senior TTA which don't took
interest to raise the the wage of new recruited TTA only because they
jelous of them.SNATTA leaders can represent the new recruitedÂ TTA's
side very effectively but they don't want to doÂ so because they need
some post in BSNLEU.Now in agression the new recruited TTA's of batch 08
& 09 are planning to make a separateÂ association. We should notÂ
allow this to happen, it will divide our strength.I think to divide
TTA's strenght is management's & other union's planning. We should do
our best to solve the issue of wage of new recruited TTA's. It is the
only way which can keep us united & willÂ keep the faith of new
recruited TTA's in SNATTA.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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3c. Re: urgent attention plz
Posted by: "muralidharan muralidharan" ranjumd@yahoo.co.in ranjumd
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:49 pm ((PST))

Friends
with reference to these discussion again the emotions only seems to be the uppermost. If u feel again for a split and new association God only can save u people. The tactics of divide and rule of the bureaucrats had created two groups one officer (Well settled on promotion pay & perks and need not to worry about their subordinates), and the other group C & D workers dividing themselves as NFTE, BSNLEU , FTNO and so on as so called unions (fighting themselves to get the upper hand, ego and name ).
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3d. Re: urgent attention plz
Posted by: "Santosh J. Devadiga" sjd_4u@yahoo.com sjd_4u
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:40 pm ((PST))

Dear frnds,
It hurts when we read that some of our frnds are getting carried our by fake propaganda made by some union representatives. I request all my new frnds to first of all understand the ground realities of working in a unionised cadre:
1 In unionised cadre on the recognised union has the voice to talk with the management. Other may not even getting a appointment with the management.
2. Even being less in number , but united , we could pressurise the recognised union to put our demands, not doubt the results are not very favourable, but atleast to start with v could make our voice reach to the management and dont forget that the service condition was reduced from 10 to 7 only bcoz of the efforts of the CHQ. CHQ is continuously trying to get it reduced to 5. This will be most helpful to the new batch.
3. What do u thnk, Is the CHQ mad to put its efforts,give its time, to put our demands through? Let us please not forget that the efforts of the CHQ have now started showing up. Have some patiance.
4. Creating a new association is like hurting our own prospects. We are DR TTA are already handful. Again, creating a division would only mean a worse.
5. It is the politics of the recognised union to break our strength and to leave no strong voice of our, I am sure they will not succeed in this.
So dear friends, pls dont get carried away by the barking of some stray dogs. And am not intending to start a new contravesy so sorry if someone has felt bad.
Lets all please concentrate on the burning issues in front of us. No one can break our unity.

Long live SNATTA, SNATTA ZINDABAD.

regards,

Er. Santosh J Devadiga
TTA CDMA MSC,
Nasik
Mob:9422268970

Feel free to give a call.

Santosh J. Devadiga.

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From: Razz Dcool <razzdcool@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 20 December, 2009 10:02:34 PM
Subject: [TTABSNL] urgent attention plz

Dear all,

What i feel after talking to other new recruited TTA's that they have lost faith in the leaders of SNATTA, but it is not their fault. What they are being told by the other union leaders even by the BSNLEU is that, it is the their senior TTA which don't took interest to raise the the wage of new recruited TTA only because they jelous of them.SNATTA leaders can represent the new recruited TTA's side very effectively but they don't want to do so because they need some post in BSNLEU.Now in agression the new recruited TTA's of batch 08 & 09 are planning to make a separate association. We should not allow this to happen, it will divide our strength.I think to divide TTA's strenght is management's & other union's planning. We should do our best to solve the issue of wage of new recruited TTA's. It is the only way which can keep us united & will keep the faith of new recruited TTA's in SNATTA.

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4. (Must Read) Wonderful mail circulating in favour of RAJ Thackerey.
Posted by: "BP Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:09 am ((PST))

This is a Wonderful mail circulating in favour of RAJ Thackerey have a look

We all should support characteristics of Raj Thackeray and take his
initiative ahead by doing more like him...

1. We should teach our kids that if he is second in class, don't
study harder.. just beat up the student coming first and throw him out of
the school

2. Parliament should have only Delhiites as it is located in Delhi

3. Prime-minister, president and all other leaders should only be
from Delhi

4. No Hindi movie should be made in Bombay . Only Marathi.

5. At every state border, buses, trains, flights should be stopped
and staff changed to local men

6. All Maharashtrians working abroad or in other states should be
sent back as they are SNATCHING employment from Locals

7. Lord Shiv, Ganesha and Parvati should not be worshiped in our
state as they belong to north ( Himalayas )

8. Visits to Taj Mahal should be restricted to people from UP only

9. Relief for farmers in Maharashtra should not come from centre
because that is the money collected as Tax from whole of India , so why
should it be given to someone in Maharashtra ?

10. Let's support kashmiri Militants because they are right to killing and
injuring innocent people for benifit of there state and community... ...

11. Let's throw all MNCs out of Maharashtra , why should they earn from us?
We will open our own Maharashtra Microsoft, MH Pepsi and MH Marutis of the
world .

12. Let's stop using cellphones, emails, TV, foreign Movies and
dramas. James Bond should speak Marathi

13. We should be ready to die hungry or buy food at 10 times higher
price but should not accept imports from other states

14. We should not allow any industry to be setup in Maharashtra
because all machinery comes from outside

15. We should STOP using local trains... Trains are not manufactured
by Marathi manoos and Railway Minister is a Bihari

16. Ensure that all our children are born, grow, live and die without
ever stepping out of Maharashtra , then they will become true Marathi's

This mail should somehow reach Raj Thackrey so forward it to as many ppl as
possible.
This mail needs to be read by all Indians.
So please help in this cause. *

Keep Forwarding it in the spirit of INDIA.*

*JAI MAHARASHTRA !
*

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5. wage benefits----ttas
Posted by: "kalyan kar" kalyan_7fru@yahoo.co.in kalyan_7fru
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:09 am ((PST))

dear frnds
i would like to make it clear
iam not against our chq members or leaders
i never blamed you
nor i will in future
becoz you people have put a lot of effort on behalf of us, iam very much aware of that,
iam also proud of you people inspite of several odd conditions you stood firm and tried your level best to give us the best deal

S kalyankar
tta,ndl
+91-9000234484
+91-9493624700

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6a. Re: Letter to VAN Nambodri
Posted by: "kalyan kar" kalyan_7fru@yahoo.co.in kalyan_7fru
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:15 am ((PST))

dear friends

a lot is said ,a lot is done
but every thing in vain

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY
SNATTA CHQ MEMBERS AND LEADERS DONE A GRT JOB BY SACRIFICING THERE VALUABLE TIME IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS
THEY TRIED THERE LEVEL BEST TO GET
THE BEST DEAL

BUT
BSNLEU NAMBOODIRI

BETRAYED "TTAS"
SUPPRESSED "TTAS"
MADE FALSE PROMISES TO TTAS

RIGHT FROM THE BEGENING WE ACHIEVED
NOTHING BY SUPPORTING BSNLEU
EVEN RELAXATION IN LDCE FROM 10YRS TO
7 YRS WE GOT IT THROUGH "PROTESTS"
NOT THROUGH TALKS OR NEGIOTATIONS
WITH NAMBOODIRI
AS A MATTER OF FACT NAMBOODIRI & CO ARE VERY MUCH INTRESTED IN RETIRED & THOSE ARE YET TO RETIRE PEOPLE
IN THIS PROCESS NAMBOODIRI & CO COMPLETELY NEGLECTED THE WELLFARE AND PROSPECTUS OF YOUNG AND WORKING FORCE OF BSNL

FEW DAYS BACK WHEN I RAISED THE VOICE AGAINST BSNLEU SOME OF OUR FRIENDS SAID TO SHUT UP OR ELSE WE WILL GET NOTHING,
I CLOSED MY MOUTH AND ALSO TRIED TO SUPPRESS THE VOICE OF FEW OTHER FRIENDS
ONE LAST QUESTION TO ALL OUR CHQ MEMBERS AND LEADERS

ON WHAT CONDITIONS WE SUPPORTED BSNLEU AT THE TIME OF MEMBERSHIP VERIFICATION
DID WE ACHIEVE ANY OF THOSE

I KNOW MY MAIL WILL GENERATE A FLOOD OF CONDEMNING MAILS
kalyankar
tta,ndl
+91-9000234484
+91-9493624700

--- On Sun, 20/12/09, shahulhameed noorulameen <noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: shahulhameed noorulameen <noorulameen2006@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Letter to VAN Nambodri
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 20 December, 2009, 7:45 AM

Dear All

After going through a number of mails circulated through our group for over eight months, especially on wage revision, I come to the following conclusion:

Newly recruited TTAs of post 2007 are also active along with other TTAs (if not all, some energetic and enthusiastic like of senior batch too) and normally they watch the latest developments on wage negotiations through either our or bsnleu websites. Also, most of the apprehensions of newly recruited TTAs whenever cropped up, were immediately answered by persons having good knowledge of current situation on the topic and especially by Mr Abhilash, the CC of Kerala without much delay.

In most of the replies, the newly recruited TTAs of post 2007 are given rest assured that the CHQ is doing its best to cover the aspirations of junior TTAs too. .
The following clippings of email will highlight this better.

In Apr 2009, some new TTAs have raised reservations against bsnleu's demand of getting Interim Relief. The reply given was: "we examined all the practical aspects. Remember we have only short term goals, so we are going in the most suitable ways with related to our demands"
On 16/4/2009, the reply given was:"we are trying to get pre-revised scale of Rs 9200 for TTAs which is a new pay scale at N-12"
On 23/4/2009, Mr. Sham Chadda questioned about wage revision to newly recruited TTAs, the reply given on 26/4/2009 was, " There will never be any loss of fitment to newly recruited TTAs, In JTO case, it is only a temporary adjustment and it is going to be revised to Rs. 18850/- and hence, newly recruited TTAs also will be benefited accordingly"

So, keeping in view of pulses of CHQ, the newly recruited TTAs are in the opinion that their interest will be looked after by the recognised union. Atleast two of our SNATTA members are enjoying the office bearer post at District level in BSNLEU. So do u expect that the newly recruited TTAs will be able to turn the table around, the things which could not be done by the entire SNATTA CHQ and the selected reps in BSNLEU? Also, one of our main demands in supporting bsnleu before verification was to get us the highest NE pay scale, and it is shocking that despite our representative in wage committee, presenting a good posture of our legitimate demand for higher pay scale, this was never taken up by the recognised union in any meeting with BSNL Mgt.

We were silent spectators to their sidelining of our demands. So it is needless to blame the junior TTAs for their apathy. Instead, it is cynical to watch that some unions are demanding better pay scale for Sr.TOA, quoting that Degree is a pre-requisite qualification for this cadre, which is superior to Diploma qualification ( It is a mockery that those who are in a degree cadre, are to pass through the pre-screening test, and at times fail to clear screening test, for appearing in departmental TTA Prom exam)

I appreciate that atleast our CHQ has taken up TTAs case now with more vigour, which could have been a bit earlier. Right now we don't have any other option until or unless some miracle happens with new ideas. Atleast guidance in right direction will be a solace to them in their time of obscurity.

Let us hope for the best.

SN Ameen, Riyadh, KSA
00966555802143

--- On Sat, 19/12/09, abhilash v <abhilash_ok@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

From: abhilash v <abhilash_ok@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Letter to VAN Nambodri
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Saturday, 19 December, 2009, 4:50 PM

Dear Balwant,
Very nice to see your efforts. But I afraid that it will not bring much results. I hope you remember that I had written such letters to Numboodiri and to some Circle leaders regarding the same subject. The danger that hides in the multiplication factor and the heart break of the new TTAs were already brought to their notice. I made many phone calls too. But what happened? The reason of their attitude is bitter to swallow - the BSNLEU leaders felt that there was no complaint from the new comers. Because they didn't hear the new comers voice just because of the fact that most of us kept silence through out in those days. The EU leaders didn't bother about the SNATTA leaders pressure just because they didn't get any pressure or feed back from their local leaders. Many times I asked the new comers to raise their voice in EU's local bodies. But it didn't happen and our friends were interested only in the yahoo group activities. In Kerala, I urged all the
new comers to attend EU's district conferences and explain our issues during the discussion time. But very few friends heard my call(that too only in 4 SSAs). And what happened in other Circles?..
Anyway, forget the past. Even though it seems to be too late, please ask all the new comers to give the letters to the EU's district & branch secretary. Yesterday, our vibrant CHQ leaders went to meet Namboodiri. After the hot discussion Namboodiri agreed to present the matter to the wage committee and as per Hakkam Singhji, Namboodiri raised the pay up gradation issue in the wage committee. But the management rejected the demand. Only the pay loss(if it happens in some case) will be compensated by personal pay. So please draft another letter to management and let all the new TTAs to forward it through the proper channel and send one advanced copy directly.
Abhilash
CC,Kerala.

--- On Wed, 16/12/09, balwant singh dhindsa <bsladewalia@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

From: balwant singh dhindsa <bsladewalia@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: [TTABSNL] Letter to VAN Nambodri [1 Attachment]
To: inder1986.ias23@ gmail.com, "jpshiomuni _" <jpshiomuni@gmail. com>, ttabsnl@yahoogroups .com
Cc: inder1986.ias23@ gmail.com, bsladewalia@ yahoo.co. uk
Date: Wednesday, 16 December, 2009, 3:48 PM

Regards

BALWANT SINGH
9463271261

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6b. Re: Letter to VAN Nambodri
Posted by: "pradip panigrahy" pradip_panigrahy@yahoo.co.in pradip_panigrahy
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:49 pm ((PST))

DEAR MR JAI PRAKASH iam little bit confused about tha fact u are saying is that earlier management has offered us the scale as given by u then why it was not accepted by union coul u please explain it more thanx (a) Wage Revision Committee rejected the pay scale proposed by management Rs 17775 for TTA at 6th stage which works at 1 st stage any where between 15500 to 15800

Pradip Kumar Panigrahy Corporate Cell,BSNLPunjab Telecom Circle ,Ludhiana Contact No- 0161-2771977,2099002,9417233777

--- On Sun, 20/12/09, jaiprakashsinghtta@yahoo.in <jaiprakashsinghtta@yahoo.in> wrote:

From: jaiprakashsinghtta@yahoo.in <jaiprakashsinghtta@yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Letter to VAN Nambodri
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 20 December, 2009, 10:08 PM

Dear Friend

It was expected by persons like me. I had always apprehension of the
efforts of CHQ. It always appeared by reading between line of any answer by
office bearer that they had always created doubt whether while drawing pay
scale BP+DA+30% fitment is to be
considered . I remember Mr.Abhilash
in April or May, he replied a query of a TTA . Half his answer was in
explaining him that new TTA is not authorized for fitment. In latter half of
his answer he appreciated CHQ action
that it is fighting hard for scale as per 6 CPC. I talked on phone with
lots of person they exhausted more
their energy in explaining me that NEW TTA are not due for fitment than on telling that CHQ is
fighting hard. Actually CHQ was fighting the lost battle in pressure from SO
CALLED NEW TTA.

Mr. Abhilash complains that new TTA are not active. I would like to remind him mostly all TTAs
are active. I think active means he
compare to himself. All TTAs cannot and should not behave like circle
co-coordinator or like circle secretory or like president . If it happens like
that then it will create chaos and anarchy in any organization. He says in his
circle NEW TTAs are not active . Long back in April/May I had inquired about
him in KERALA circle . People complained of his high handedness like attitude.

WHAT WENT WRONG--

(a) Wage Revision Committee rejected
the pay scale proposed by
management Rs 17775 for TTA at 6th stage which works at 1 st stage any
where between 15500 to 15800

(b) We
fought for 6 th CPC not for fitment formula. Anyway 6th CPC recommendation was
not going to be accepted by Management because they will NOT place TTA,JTO,SDE at one pay scale or
near by that, in BSNL.

(d) Less in number, total TTAs in pressure
game of BSNLEU.

( e) Provisional/ probation of new TTA of 2007/08/09

(f ) Last but
not the least, We fought the lost
battle.

It is not good or not possible that each and every TTA should write to
Dist sec/circle sec/GS/CMD it will again
create chaos and confusion.

Now the Wage Revision Committee is going unabated to finish its WORK.

We are going to conduct very
shortly a circle level conference in Punjab to decide next course of action.
And I presume in all circle it is going happen very soon.

Thanking
you all yours

Jai Prakash Singh

TTA Mansa

9463312774

____________ _________ _________ __

From: shahulhameed noorulameen
<noorulameen2006@ yahoo.co. in>

To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com

Sent: Sun, 20 December, 2009 7:45:47 AM

Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Letter to VAN Nambodri

Dear All

After going through a number of mails circulated through our
group for over eight months, especially on wage revision, I come to the
following conclusion:

Newly recruited TTAs of
post 2007 are also active along with other TTAs (if not all, some
energetic and enthusiastic like of senior batch too) and normally they watch
the latest developments on wage negotiations through either our or bsnleu
websites. Also, most of the apprehensions of newly recruited TTAs whenever
cropped up, were immediately answered by persons having good knowledge of
current situation on the topic and especially by Mr Abhilash, the CC of Kerala
without much delay.

In most of the replies, the newly recruited TTAs of post
2007 are given rest assured that the CHQ is doing its best to cover the
aspirations of junior TTAs too. .

The following clippings of email will highlight this better.

In Apr 2009, some new TTAs have raised reservations against
bsnleu's demand of getting Interim Relief. The reply given was: "we
examined all the practical aspects. Remember we have only short term goals, so
we are going in the most suitable ways with related to our demands"

On 16/4/2009, the reply given was:"we are trying to get
pre-revised scale of Rs 9200 for TTAs which is a new pay scale at N-12"

On 23/4/2009, Mr. Sham Chadda questioned about wage revision
to newly recruited TTAs, the reply given on 26/4/2009 was, " There will
never be any loss of fitment to newly recruited TTAs, In JTO case, it is only a
temporary adjustment and it is going to be revised to Rs. 18850/- and hence,
newly recruited TTAs also will be benefited accordingly"

So, keeping in view of pulses of CHQ, the newly recruited
TTAs are in the opinion that their interest will be looked after by the
recognised union. Atleast two of our SNATTA members are enjoying the office
bearer post at District level in BSNLEU. So do u expect that the newly
recruited TTAs will be able to turn the table around, the things which could
not be done by the entire SNATTA CHQ and the selected reps in BSNLEU? Also, one
of our main demands in supporting bsnleu before verification was to get us the
highest NE pay scale, and it is shocking that despite our representative in
wage committee, presenting a good posture of our legitimate demand for higher
pay scale, this was never taken up by the recognised union in any meeting with
BSNL Mgt.

We were silent
spectators to their sidelining of our demands. So it is needless to blame the
junior TTAs for their apathy. Instead, it is cynical to watch that some unions
are demanding better pay scale for Sr.TOA, quoting that Degree is a
pre-requisite qualification for this cadre, which is superior to Diploma
qualification ( It is a mockery that those who are in a degree cadre, are to
pass through the pre-screening test, and at times fail to clear screening
test, for appearing in departmental
TTA Prom exam)

I appreciate that atleast our CHQ has taken up TTAs case now
with more vigour, which could have been a bit earlier. Right now we don't have
any other option until or unless some miracle happens with new ideas.. Atleast
guidance in right direction will be a solace to them in their time of
obscurity.

Let us hope for the best.

SN Ameen, Riyadh, KSA

00966555802143

--- On Sat, 19/12/09, abhilash v
<abhilash_ok@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

>From: abhilash v <abhilash_ok@ yahoo.co. in>

>Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Letter to VAN Nambodri

>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com

>Date: Saturday, 19 December, 2009, 4:50 PM

>Dear Balwant,

>Very nice to see your efforts. But I afraid that it will
not bring much results. I hope you remember that I had written such letters to
Numboodiri and to some Circle leaders regarding the same subject. The danger
that hides in the multiplication factor and the heart break of the new TTAs
were already brought to their notice. I made

> many phone calls too. But what happened? The reason of
their attitude is bitter to swallow - the BSNLEU leaders felt that there was no
complaint from the new comers. Because they didn't hear the new comers voice
just because of the fact that most of us kept silence through out in those
days. The EU leaders didn't bother about the SNATTA leaders pressure just because
they didn't get any pressure or feed back from their local leaders. Many times
I asked the new comers to raise their voice in EU's local bodies. But it didn't
happen and our friends were interested only in the yahoo group activities. In
Kerala, I urged all the new comers
to attend EU's district conferences and explain our issues during the
discussion time. But very few friends heard my call(that too only in 4 SSAs).
And what happened in other Circles?..

>Anyway, forget the past. Even though it seems to be too
late, please ask all the new comers to give the letters to the

> EU's district & branch secretary. Yesterday, our
vibrant CHQ leaders went to meet Namboodiri. After the hot discussion
Namboodiri agreed to present the matter to the wage committee and as per Hakkam
Singhji, Namboodiri raised the pay up gradation issue in the wage committee.
But the management rejected the demand. Only the pay loss(if it happens in some
case) will be compensated by personal pay. So please draft another letter to
management and let all the new TTAs to forward it through the proper channel
and send one advanced copy directly.

>Abhilash

>CC,Kerala.

>--- On Wed, 16/12/09, balwant singh dhindsa
<bsladewalia@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

>>From: balwant singh dhindsa <bsladewalia@
yahoo.co. in>

>>Subject: [TTABSNL] Letter to VAN Nambodri [1
Attachment]

>>To: inder1986.ias23@ gmail.com, "jpshiomuni
_"

>> <jpshiomuni@gmail. com>, ttabsnl@yahoogroups
.com

>>Cc: inder1986.ias23@ gmail.com, bsladewalia@
yahoo.co.. uk

>>Date: Wednesday, 16 December, 2009, 3:48 PM

>>Regards

>>BALWANT SINGH

>>9463271261

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7. MUST READ>>> Latest News from ww.SNATTA.org
Posted by: "BP Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:46 pm ((PST))

* Dt 21.12.2009 * CHQ leaders met Comrade VAN Namboodiri on 18.12.2009
morning and pressed for our demands in wage revision. The demands were
latter put up in the wage meeting but was out rightly rejected by the BSNL
management*.*

*CHQ leaders also met Shri. D.P. De, G.M. (Estt) in the afternoon. G.M.
(Estt) told that the 35% JTO LICE will be declared before 28.12.2009 and the
cut off date for eligibility would be 01.07.2009. We immediately protested
the hasty notification of the LICE with the cut off date 01.07.2009. G.M.
(Estt) assured to look into the matter favourably. G.M. (Estt) told that the
notification of JTO LICE will be declared before 28.12.2009 due to some
court case.*

*In my personal opinion the cut off date should be 31st December, 2009 or
the announcement date of JTO LICE. i also favours one time relaxation of 5
yrs for JTO LICE Exam.*

*otherwise many of the TTAs would be at a great LOSS and loose Golden Chance
of becoming JTO. Interests of larger community should be considered while
taking any final decision.*

*regards,*

*
*

*bandhan preet singh
*

--
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8a. Re: Broadband Problem
Posted by: "Er. Munish Bhatheja" getmoni2001@yahoo.com getmoni2001
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:48 pm ((PST))

There is not such problem of web browser, because the sub has use it on all type of browsers like google chrome, firefox etc etc..
Er. Munish Bhatheja

TTA Group Abohar,
LCM, Ferozepur SSA.
Mob : 09417078787

________________________________
From: VENKATESAN RAD <venk212@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 14 December, 2009 2:07:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Broadband Problem

hi,
check the version of excel or word whether ms office 2007 or 2003 and try to check the file size.

1. save the file as microsoft office 2003 compatible
2. or upgrade the web browser

________________________________
From: Er. Munish Bhatheja <getmoni2001@yahoo.com>
To: ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 9:54:20 PM
Subject: [TTABSNL] Broadband Problem

Dear Group,
I am facing a problem in one or two broadband connections of village exchange. When the subscriber tries to attach some excel or word files in mail either gmail or yahoo, it takes too too long time for the file to attach (app 2-3 hours) and mostly doesn't attach. But in case of other files like image or same file of word or excel through zip then it attaches. The problem may be whole DSLAM as i am not sure (NOKIA DSLAM). Does any body have any idea of this problem then pl mail me or contact me.
Er. Munish Bhatheja

TTA Group Abohar,
LCM, Ferozepur SSA.
Mob : 09417078787

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9.1. mutual transfer
Posted by: "naincee geda" geda_naincee@yahoo.co.in geda_naincee
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:40 pm ((PST))

hi friends,
iam working as TTA in Ranchi(jharkhand),i want to be transfered to MP circle. if any body interested to get mutual transfer. pls mail me.

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10. BSNLEU Bihar Circle conference
Posted by: "s h" shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in shah_pat_nib
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:38 pm ((PST))

Bihar Circle Conference of BSNLEU at Bhagalpur 19th and 20th Dec. 2009

A large no. of TTAs from different SSAs participated in the conference and very strongly kept their very genuine and appropriate demands in front of the circle and national leaders.We specially gave our memorandum to the GS BSNLEU Com. Namboodiri and AGS BSNLEU Mr Shapan Chakaraborty. Some of the major points of the memorandum are as following :-

1. Discrimination in Wage Revision by totally disregarding the 6th
CPC recommendations and the Education qualification of the TTA cadre.
Wage anomaly for TTAs recruited after 2007 in new wage revision and accordingly proper steps required before signing of agreement

2) Discrimination in the non executive promotion policy
The direct recruited non executives have been discriminated in the non executive promotion policy too.

3) 7 years qualifying service condition instead of 5 years in case JTO
LICE.
That CS BSNLEU will write a letter to CGMT as well as GS BSNLEU for one time 02 year relaxation in JTO LICE exam.

4) Anomalies in the Employees pension scheme (EPS).
In case of employee's provident fund (EPF), the pension scheme option was
never called from BSNL recruited employees and in ignorance BSNL
management has made a complete mess of things. The pension contribution
of employee's in BSNL is not done in conformity with the EPF laws

Shahnawaz Akhtar
Circle Secretary
SNATTA
Bihar
9431094583
Email:- shah.nib@gmail.com
shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in

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11. The Formation of Bhagalpur SSA
Posted by: "s h" shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in shah_pat_nib
Date: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:20 am ((PST))

The Formation of Bhagalpur SSA of SNATTA on 19th Dec. 2009

The formation of Bhagalpur SSA of SNATTA took place on 19th of Dec. 2009 in the presence of Sri Rajeev Kumar, President SNATTA Bihar Circle and Sri Shahnawaz Akhtar , Circle Secretary SNATTA Bihar Circle.

The following friends were elected for different post and given the responsibility to make the association strong and united.

1. Dist. President : Sri K.P. Sharma (9431210280)
2. Dist Vice President :Sri R.P. Singh, Ex.Service Man(9431600258)
3. Dist. Secretary : Sri Madhuranjan Kr Jha (9431600316)
4. Asstt. Dist. Secretary :

A)Sri Bipin Bihari (9434665027)
B) Sri Alok Kr. (9472291110)
C) Sri Binod Mandal (06420-222000)

5. Dist. Treasurer : Sri Pawan Kr Singh (9431600111)

Dist. Executive Body :

1. Miss Roma Sah (9431248600)
2. Sri Ravi Kant (9430612899)
3. Sri Ashish Kr (9472229472)

We wish all of them for the good future in the department. Let us strive for the best for all the TTAs. Please be united because unity is our strength and identity.

Shahnawaz Akhtar
Circle Secretary
SNATTA
Bihar
9431094583
Email:- shah.nib@gmail.com
shah_pat_nib@yahoo.co.in

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12. THANKS
Posted by: "Deepak Kumar" deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com deepak_bsnlktr
Date: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:25 am ((PST))

Thanks for all who congratulated and criticized me being elected as Assistant Circle Secy, BSNLEU, Bihar Circle, as it has mixed reaction among the sincere members of SNATTA.
I think upto some extent Mr. Vikash fear is correct if we see it as it is.
But I want all of you to react on the situation if a DRTTA gets elected as GS(all India) of the recognized union. wouldn't will it be celebrated with cheer and joy? wouldn't it will less our misery.
No one can become GS instantly, where there r several forces working against us at several levels. The achievements of the SNATTA can never be ignored. But again it is a group which is not recognised. And as far as guts r concerned only time will tell what will be done and what not. Just believe in ourselves. What I have done for SNATTA at that conference will be explained by our cc Mr. Shahnawaz Akhtar.
RegardsDeepak Kumar9431610399

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