Hi..
i am simply quoting some lines of the letter written to management by aigetoa member ...
they specified us and the eligiblity condition of ten years for pormotion (TTA TO JTO)... FOR CONVEINCING THE MANAGEMENT AND TO MAKE UNDERSTAND THERE PROBLEM TO THEM....
WE CANNOT EXPECT MORE FROM THEM..... today they want us for joint forum or calling absorbed non executive...
here are some lines of that letter...
For example to get promotion from TTA (Group-C) to JTO-Group C the minimum
length of service specified is six years. To get the promotion from TTA (Group-C) to
JTO-Group B the minimum length of service specified is ten years. Thus a TTA with six
years of service becomes eligible for promotion to Group-C JTO but to become a Group-
B JTO he has to get the minimum experience of 10 years. Thus there is already a
difference of 4 years in the stature of JTO-Group B and JTO group-C. A Group-C JTO
after an experience of three years becomes eligible for promotion to SDE Group B.
wht i feel on moral ground .. if they really think about us .. should not mention this.... as the eligiblity is still an issue and we didnt get the final verdict.....
Every body has to fight for there own rights... might be we have some common problems.. we must join hands for that.. we must fight for it...but i doubt... in many ways .. we r different and have some other issues to handel....
still i find ligal option is better one.. just try to get stay order...[ to show our power to BSNLEU nad Management( i know mang. will not be effected directly but BSNLEU AND ALL OTHER UNION WILL BE...)]
a> promotion policy.. b> wage revision .. if we all agree.. c> on all other issue which is effecting us directly.. we can't seat mum...
lets kill there time also .. then only they realise
THE COMPLET LETTER IS AS FOLLOWS.....
AVAILABLE ON AIGETOA SITE...
From
Name: MANOJ KUMAR
DR-JTO batch: 2002
HRMS No: 200301766
Designation: JTO
Office address: O/o The GMTD, Karnal SSA, Haryana Circle.
To
The COMPETENT AUTHORITY-HRD,
BHARAT SANCHAR NIGAM LIMITED.
(THROUGH PROPER CHANNEL)
Subject: Agony of a Directly Recruited (DR) Group "B" Executive in BSNL.
References enclosed:
1. No. 22011/10/84-
India).
2. Junior Telecom Officer Recruitment Rules 99 Dated: 31 August 1999 (Issued
by Ministry of Communications, Department of Telecommunications)
3. Junior Telecom Officer Recruitment Rules 2001 Dated: 26 September 2001
(Issued by Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited).
Sir,
With due respect and humble submission I beseech to lay down a few lines for
your kind consideration. That, even after the six years of continuous & regular
service in BSNL as a directly recruited Group "B" executive the undersigned is still
waiting for his first functional promotion. The anguish of a mind can be well
understood from the fact that apart from this long waiting period there is not even a
slightest glimpse of career ahead.
Being an employee who is exclusively recruited by the public sector
undertaking a feeling always came to my heart that the present state of affairs could
be poles apart if & if the regulations specific to the PSU were functional to the
class and category of mine. Ironically I have been dragged into the government setup
and every rule and regulation applicable thereof was made applicable to me also.
The first indication of this wrong step came to the notice of mine after my
recruitment into the BSNL. This was the day when I understood the actual motive
behind the undertaking taken from me prior to my recruitment. A few lines of that
draconian piece of paper are reproduced below:
"I also understand that if appointed, I would rank junior to any J.T.O. who had been appointed earlier by
the erstwhile DoT/DTS/DTO or BSNL or any other employee in the promotional cadre who had already qualified
in the JTO Examination but not appointed as JTO by BSNL so far."
I sincerely feel that this was the unique incidence of its kind in the history
of government recruitment where in addition to the eligibility some additional
condition was put obligatory to get the employment.
It is not a question of that whether or not the advertisement or the training
letter and so as the various other communications made by the management of BSNL has
used the tag of "Graduate Engineer Junior Telecom Officer" with it, but it is a
question of the identity of JTO. Who is JTO & What JTO is?
This is a sincere & honest effort on my part to expose the truth behind the
word JTO and patience to bear with reading is requested.
After its formation BSNL has recruited Graduate Engineers as JTOs from the
open market through an ALL INDIA COMPETTIVE EXAMINATION having the same syllabus as
that specified by UPSC for the Engineering Services Examination.
The post of JTO in BSNL is specified as an Executive in the RR2001 of Junior Telecom
Officer (enclosed). The RR2001 of JTO contains an initial constitution which is
reproduced below:
"All officials holding the posts of Junior Telecom Officers on regular basis in the erstwhile DOT/DTS/DTO before
commencement of these rules and those who have been absorbed in Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited shall be deemed to have
been appointed as Junior Telecom Officer in BSN"L.
Together with the initial constitution of my recruitment rule the undertaking
taken from me prior to my recruitment I want to affirm that I am ready to accept all
the JTOs appointed by erstwhile DoT/DTS/DTO as senior to me. But this is not the end
in fact this is the beginning. To have a better understanding some important events
which occurred in the history of DoT will be reproduced herein.
The various "POSTS" in government are classified into four groups namely Group-A,
Group-B, Group-C and Group-D.
The civil service of the Central Government is organized into four groups, viz. Group `A' (which includes all- India Service)
Group `B', Group `C' and Group `D'. Such classification broadly corresponds to the rank, status and the degree of the level
of responsibility attached to the posts. Group `A' posts carry higher administrative and executive responsibilities and include
senior management positions in the ministries/departme
`A' along with Group `B' constitute middle management. Group `C' posts perform supervisory as well as operative tasks and
render clerical assistances in ministries and field organizations. Group `D' posts are meant for carrying out routine duties.
The above guidelines clearly reflect that a Group-A post carries a bigger sphere
of responsibility with it. The group-B post carries a lesser sphere of responsibility
then group-A. Further the Group-C post carries lesser responsibility than group-B and
so on.
Up to 31 August 1999 the "POST" of JTO was Group-C and so as the
"person/incumbent" holding the said post. In the month of September 1999 the "POST"
of JTO was upgraded to Group-B by the government of India. Due to this up gradation
the earlier recruitment rule of 1996 for the post of JTO was amended with the new
recruitment rule of 1999(enclosed)
As per the guidelines of Department of Personal & Training, Government of
India whenever a post is upgraded to Group-B or to Group-A the approval of UPSC is
required to confirm the suitability of incumbent to determine the date of
upgradation. No. 22011/10/84-
But in DoT no such approval was sought from UPSC and all the incumbents
holding the "POST" of Group-C were "assumed" as Group-B from the very first day of
when the Group-B post of JTO come into existence. This was wrong.
I am not saying that all such people who got their upgradation to Group-B
without the approval of UPSC will remain Group-C forever. They will achieve the
status of Group-B from the date of their suitability which depends upon the number of
years of service they have rendered as a Group-C. To explain further, there are
certain rules framed by Government of India through which appointment of a person can
be made on a particular post (Group-A/B/C/
to be adjudged as suitable for appointment. For Group-A posts the suitability of a
person is judged by UPSC through All India examination followed by an Interview
(usually). Similarly for the Group-B posts an All India examination is conducted by
UPSC or SSC or the Recruitment Board followed by an interview (optional). For Group-C
and Group-D Posts the recruitment is not done by the commission and can be done by
the parent departments. Thus for the case of direct recruitment to the various
categories of posts (Group-A/B/C/
UPSC/SSC/Recruitmen
However in the case of recruitment through promotion to the various
categories(Group-
service in the feeder grade to become eligible for consideration to next promotion.
For example to get promotion from TTA (Group-C) to JTO-Group C the minimum
length of service specified is six years. To get the promotion from TTA (Group-C) to
JTO-Group B the minimum length of service specified is ten years. Thus a TTA with six
years of service becomes eligible for promotion to Group-C JTO but to become a Group-
B JTO he has to get the minimum experience of 10 years. Thus there is already a
difference of 4 years in the stature of JTO-Group B and JTO group-C. A Group-C JTO
after an experience of three years becomes eligible for promotion to SDE Group B.
With the above background it mentioned during the period when the post of
JTO was Group-C the recruitment was done by the parent department i.e. DoT through
its circles. But after the upgradation of post of JTO to Group-B the recruitment was
to be done by UPSC and it is learnt that a proposal was sent to UPSC for this. But in
the meantime the DoT was corporatized into BSNL and the said process could not take
off.
After the formation of BSNL the management of BSNL has recruited Graduate
Engineers from the open market through all India competitive examination in the year
2001 & 2002. At that time most of the staff of DoT was on deputation to BSNL and
working as JTO or rather as Group-C JTO as suitability assessment was not done in
their cases. To my dismay BSNL has absorbed all these as Group-B JTOs as thus made
them equivalent to the stature of my cadre. This was wrong.
The post of SDE was and is a promotion post of JTO Group-C. For the case of
Group-B JTO what will be next promotion? This is the question for which I am
searching the answer and finally I have knocked the door of your good self.
Though I do not have any documentary proof to support the answer my question
yet I firmly believe that SDE is not my next promotion post. There are two strong
reasons to believe this. The first one is that in the central government all the
posts having the pay scale 6500-200-10500( Vth CPC) and having the status of GCS
Group-B are promoted to the JTS scale of 8000-275-13500 after the completion of four
years of service in the grade as GCS Group-B. And the second one is as per the
staffing norms issued by BSNL for its new services such as CMTS, WLL & Internet it is
clearly mentioned that the responsibilities of Group-B JTO and Group-B SDE are same.
The reporting officer for both the executives is same i.e. STS group-A. Thus, I
believe that my next promotion should be to the grade of JTS or STS after the minimum
eligible service of four or six years respectively.
In view of large number of inconsistencies I therefore request you to reconsider
the whole process afresh so that my interests are safeguarded and existing
aspirations are protected.
Thanking you & expecting a favorable and early response,
Yours faithfully,
(MANOJ KUMAR)
Date: 10 June 2009 DR GROUP `B' EXECUITVE
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> Dear Friends,
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> In my view we should work in the following way-
> (1) Firstly give ultimatem to Namboodiri to set right the distorted minutes of meeting of NCM before 18th August otherwise we will not support him in his strike program.
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> (2) Secondly, prepare joint forum of Direct Recruits with AIGETOA and give Joint demonstration notice to management if AIGETOA includes our demand to reduce service condition from 10 to 5.
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> (3) AIGETOA must include at least 2 members from SNATTA-Chq to negotiate with management.
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> Yours
> Dhiraj Chaudhary
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> From: DHARMENDRA VERMA <ripu.verma@
> Subject: [TTABSNL] Dear Circle Secretaries and Central CoOrdinators
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> Date: Monday, 3 August, 2009, 4:34 PM
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> The following was the agreement reached between SNATTA and BSNLEU in the last Two Elections.
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> 1. In wage revision TTAs must get the highest pay scale as per the recommendations of 6th Pay Commission.
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> 2. To reduce the service condition under JTO RR-2001 from 10 years to 5 years.
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> 3. To conduct Departmental exam under 35% quota for JTO promotion within a year of this agreement.
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> 4. Immediate action to change the Designation from TTA to Junior Engineer Telecom (JET).
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> 5. To issue the orders for inter-circle transfers under para-8 (erstwhile rule-38) for TTAs to their choice circle.
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> BSNLEU has not been able to achieve the single agreement mutually agreed to.. There are clear orders by Department of Personnel and Training on the recommendations of the Vth and VIth CPC for having 6/5 years of fixed qualifying service in the JTO LDCE. The orders were given to the Com. VAN Namboodiri in the 21st NCM to present before the BSNL management but he failed to do so and again agreed to reduce the service condition to 7 years. The attempts of SNATTA NCM members to present the DoP&T orders to the Hon. DIR (HR) were blocked by some of the constituents of the United Forum. But to our utter disappointment even the 7 year condition was not accepted by the BSNL Management in the 21st NCM and Dear Com. VAN Namboodiri accepted the fake and distorted minutes of the 21st NCM.
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> SNATTA CHQ tried to persuade him to incorporate the Reduction in Service Condition Under JTO LDCE agenda in the Strike Notice so that the outcome of it would be known within 20 days but the same was rejected by the Com. Namboodiri as it was as per them a DRTTA Cadre issue only.
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> On the issue of Highest Pay Scale to the TTA as per the recommendations of VIth CPC again the BSNLEU is of the view that TTA's are already getting the Highest Pay Scale and it is Sr. TOA (P) and Sr. TOA (G) who are needed to be upgraded and not TTA. The Designation Change Committee has been put in Doldrums.
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> The Promotion Policy which could have given a much respite to the Direct Recruits has again severely discriminated between the DOT absorbed and the Direct Recruits. The DOT absorbed employees who have been restructured and promoted as per the guidelines of Pay Commissions and has got promotions after that have been given undue advantage of their previous services over the direct recruits. It is nothing but a cruel Joke with the direct recruits TTA to give them the Scale of JTO after the long service of 32 years. It is a known and accepted fact by BSNL Management at several levels that DRTTAs are doing the duties of JTO itself.
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> These policies of the Trade Unions / Associations to neglect the Direct Recruits would lead them nowhere as the ultimately it is the BSNL who would suffer and the very existence of Trade Unions/ Associations depend upon the existence of BSNL. It is fact that the Company or Organization would survive if and only if the Younger generation is allowed to grow. The Employees absorbed from DOT might have got raw deal from Govt. of India during their days but that does not confer them the right to Block the entire career of the younger generation to achieve what they have lost in their hey days.
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> There seems to be no clear idea in the approach of BSNLEU towards the issues related to the TTA cadre and the time has come for all of us to think and reconsider our position to support the United Forum. We cannot see or just watch our issues being lingered up on for 3 years and even now there seems to be no solution in sight. BSNLEU has given us several assurances and even promised to the extent of 110% in the 21st NCM that the 7 year Service Condition would be accepted in the Management Committee and in the BSNL Board Meeting. But nothing happened. The reason behind not including our demand in the Strike Notice is beyond the imagination of a sane mind.
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> The picture is not rosy outside the United Forum. The other unions who used to claim themselves the Sole Leaders of TTAs have not issued a single statement in the favour of TTAs demands. It is really amusing that the Trade Union Leaders of TTA Cadre have till date not demanded the Pay Scale up Gradation of TTA Cadre as is recommended by the VI CPC. They have also kept mum on several issues related to TTA Cadre.
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> Friends you are requested to decide
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> 1. Shall SNATTA continue to support BSNLEU as it won't be able to support our issues being subdued by the constituents of United Forum?
> 2. Shall all the SNATTAians withdraw the membership from BSNLEU En Masse and take Legal Recourse to fight all the injustice done to the Direct Recruits Viz. Promotion Policy, JTO LDCE and Wage Revision.
> 3. Shall we join the BSNL Worker Alliance in case they do agree to resolve the demands of SNATTA within a limited time frame?
> 4. Shall we go all alone with our agenda in the best possible way we can.
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> All the Circle Secretaries and Central Co Coordinators are asked to Judge the Situation as per their Collective Intelligence after due diligence with the District Secretaries of their Circle and apprise of their Views and Suggestions and how to implement those views and Suggestions in the context of present situation of SNATTA. The Signed Views of CS & CC on their letter pad should reach the SNATTA CHQ email ID within 24 hours so that the future course of action can be decided.
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> The issue of our court case is being projected by some Trade(ing) Union Leaders as the fight between the DRTTAs and DOT TTAs to extract money from the other parties. They want this to continue so that they can have cake and eat it too.
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