hi dear friends
here i WOULD like to say
(1) AFTER THREE TIMES AGREEMENT WITH BSNLEU ,WE CAN'T FULFILY OUR SINGLE DAMAND WITH HELP OF BSNLEU.THEY ONLY USE OUR QULIFIED MANPOWER!!!
(2) IN THIS SITUTION WE SHOULD QUIT FROM UNITED FORUM AND FIGHT DIRECTELY TO MANAGEMET.WE SHOULD CONVERT OUR ASSOIATION TO APPLICANT UNION.
YOUR'S TRULY
M J CHAUDHARI
LOCAL JCM
TTA PALANPUR
91-2742-265000
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> Re: Dear Circle Secretaries and Central CoOrdinators
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> Re: Dear Circle Secretaries and Central
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> Posted by:
> "lalit singh"
> lalitbsingh@
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> lalitbsingh
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> Mon Aug 3, 2009 6:23 pm (PDT)
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> Dear Sir
>
> Before saying anything I will be abide by the decision
> taken by the CHQ SNATTA. Here you asked for opinion for
> future course of action and raised few points, in my view
>
> 1. As BSNLEU is voted as recognized union till Dec. 2010
> and if we withdraw our support it have no effect till
> Dec.2010 except they will be well known about our view well
> in time and accordingly they will take their own steps. I
> think it is good to get our union registered so that
> bargaining with anyone can be done as union not as
> association and forget that we will not involve in this
> dirty politics. It is the true fact we have to accept that
> we are the group 'c' employee and when we asked
> something for our betterment, management will treat us group
> 'c' though they recognized us as very good workers. So
> if we really want to do something here for the welfare of
> ttas we must involve in union activities from the front. But
> taking registration as union we must consider that the name
> and mission must be so broad that there must be some scope
> to add employee from other cadre also may be the BSNL
> recruited only so that we have the option to increase
>
> our strength.
>
> 2. If we want to withdraw our subscription it is better
> that this amount must go in favor of SNATTA which not only
> strengthen the SNATTA financially but also a system will be
> developed for fund collection. As in my SSA the deduction
> from salary is for three unions and SNATTA will be the
> fourth but it will give a very drastic change in SNATTA
> account.
>
> 3. I am not known about the workers alliance is it FNTO or
> any other one and by whom it is headed by. I think it must
> be postponed till the union registration.
>
> Sir I think we should wait, though we are well known that
> BSNLEU will not do anything for us and prepare our self for
> the next verification with target that our union must be
> formed and then we will take the decision at that times
> circumstances. We know that at least our members will be
> present in every ssa who will do some efforts and SNATTAs
> union will not be a regional union.
>
> On the other hand till now only six to seven month has
> passes now and BSNLEU will get a chance that SNATTA has not
> given him the time as per agreement to fulfill their demand
> and given a betrayal. So by giving them some more time we
> can completely exposed them and they have no words to say
> for their face saving. But we will utilize this time to
> strengthen ourselves and will give them a befitting reply
> for their great betrayal at the time of verification by
> showing their real face to the BSNL employee and put them on
> the ground because they are enjoying areoplane on the hard
> earned money of the BSNL employees.
>
> Waiting for your comments.
>
> With best regards
>
> Er. Lalit singh
>
> TTA Gonda UP(E)9453444900
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> --- On Mon, 3/8/09, DHARMENDRA VERMA <ripu.verma@
> com> wrote:
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> From: DHARMENDRA VERMA <ripu.verma@
> com>
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> Subject: [TTABSNL] Dear Circle Secretaries and Central
> CoOrdinators
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> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups
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> Date: Monday, 3 August, 2009, 4:34 PM
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> Dear CS / CC SNATTA
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>
> The following was the agreement reached between SNATTA and
> BSNLEU in the last Two Elections.
>
>
>
> 1. In wage revision TTAs must get the highest pay
> scale as per the recommendations of 6th Pay Commission.
>
>
>
> 2. To reduce the service condition under JTO
> RR-2001 from 10 years to 5 years.
>
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> 3. To conduct Departmental exam under 35% quota
> for JTO promotion within a year of this agreement.
>
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> 4. Immediate action to change the Designation from TTA
> to Junior Engineer Telecom (JET).
>
>
>
> 5. To issue the orders for inter-circle transfers
> under para-8 (erstwhile rule-38) for TTAs to their choice
> circle.
>
>
>
> BSNLEU has not been able to achieve the single agreement
> mutually agreed to.. There are clear orders by Department of
> Personnel and Training on the recommendations of the Vth and
> VIth CPC for having 6/5 years of fixed qualifying service in
> the JTO LDCE. The orders were given to the Com. VAN
> Namboodiri in the 21st NCM to present before the BSNL
> management but he failed to do so and again agreed to reduce
> the service condition to 7 years. The attempts of SNATTA NCM
> members to present the DoP&T orders to the Hon. DIR (HR)
> were blocked by some of the constituents of the United
> Forum. But to our utter disappointment even the 7 year
> condition was not accepted by the BSNL Management in the
> 21st NCM and Dear Com. VAN Namboodiri accepted the fake and
> distorted minutes of the 21st NCM.
>
>
>
> SNATTA CHQ tried to persuade him to incorporate the
> Reduction in Service Condition Under JTO LDCE agenda in the
> Strike Notice so that the outcome of it would be known
> within 20 days but the same was rejected by the Com.
> Namboodiri as it was as per them a DRTTA Cadre issue only.
>
>
>
>
> On the issue of Highest Pay Scale to the TTA as per the
> recommendations of VIth CPC again the BSNLEU is of the view
> that TTA's are already getting the Highest Pay Scale and
> it is Sr. TOA (P) and Sr. TOA (G) who are needed to be
> upgraded and not TTA. The Designation Change Committee has
> been put in Doldrums.
>
>
>
> The Promotion Policy which could have given a much respite
> to the Direct Recruits has again severely discriminated
> between the DOT absorbed and the Direct Recruits. The DOT
> absorbed employees who have been restructured and promoted
> as per the guidelines of Pay Commissions and has got
> promotions after that have been given undue advantage of
> their previous services over the direct recruits. It is
> nothing but a cruel Joke with the direct recruits TTA to
> give them the Scale of JTO after the long service of 32
> years. It is a known and accepted fact by BSNL Management at
> several levels that DRTTAs are doing the duties of JTO
> itself.
>
>
>
> These policies of the Trade Unions / Associations to
> neglect the Direct Recruits would lead them nowhere as the
> ultimately it is the BSNL who would suffer and the very
> existence of Trade Unions/ Associations depend upon the
> existence of BSNL. It is fact that the Company or
> Organization would survive if and only if the Younger
> generation is allowed to grow. The Employees absorbed from
> DOT might have got raw deal from Govt. of India during their
> days but that does not confer them the right to Block the
> entire career of the younger generation to achieve what they
> have lost in their hey days.
>
>
>
> There seems to be no clear idea in the approach of BSNLEU
> towards the issues related to the TTA cadre and the time has
> come for all of us to think and reconsider our position to
> support the United Forum. We cannot see or just watch our
> issues being lingered up on for 3 years and even now there
> seems to be no solution in sight. BSNLEU has given us
> several assurances and even promised to the extent of 110%
> in the 21st NCM that the 7 year Service Condition would be
> accepted in the Management Committee and in the BSNL Board
> Meeting. But nothing happened. The reason behind not
> including our demand in the Strike Notice is beyond the
> imagination of a sane mind.
>
>
>
> The picture is not rosy outside the United Forum. The other
> unions who used to claim themselves the Sole Leaders of TTAs
> have not issued a single statement in the favour of TTAs
> demands. It is really amusing that the Trade Union Leaders
> of TTA Cadre have till date not demanded the Pay Scale up
> Gradation of TTA Cadre as is recommended by the VI CPC. They
> have also kept mum on several issues related to TTA Cadre.
>
>
>
> Friends you are requested to decide
>
>
>
> 1. Shall SNATTA continue to support BSNLEU as
> it won't be able to support our issues being subdued by
> the constituents of United Forum?
>
> 2. Shall all the SNATTAians withdraw the
> membership from BSNLEU En Masse and take Legal Recourse to
> fight all the injustice done to the Direct Recruits Viz.
> Promotion Policy, JTO LDCE and Wage Revision.
>
> 3. Shall we join the BSNL Worker Alliance in
> case they do agree to resolve the demands of SNATTA within a
> limited time frame?
>
> 4. Shall we go all alone with our agenda in the
> best possible way we can.
>
>
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> All the Circle Secretaries and Central Co Coordinators are
> asked to Judge the Situation as per their Collective
> Intelligence after due diligence with the District
> Secretaries of their Circle and apprise of their Views and
> Suggestions and how to implement those views and Suggestions
> in the context of present situation of SNATTA. The Signed
> Views of CS & CC on their letter pad should reach the
> SNATTA CHQ email ID within 24 hours so that the future
> course of action can be decided.
>
>
>
> The issue of our court case is being projected by some
> Trade(ing) Union Leaders as the fight between the DRTTAs and
> DOT TTAs to extract money from the other parties. They want
> this to continue so that they can have cake and eat it too.
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> Posted by:
> "sushil choudhary"
> lakshya2001@
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> lucky_nagaur
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> Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:58 pm (PDT)
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> hi all,
>
> this is really disgesting that a union who put their head
> on feet for
>
> winning the elections is not listening to the ladder who
> climbed them to the
>
> top. If the ladder comes to its own then they will be seen
> no where with
>
> their RMs, TMs & Sr TOAG.
>
> Please call a conference immidiately so that the whole
> issues may be
>
> discussed in details and a strong reply may be given to so
> called ......
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> Thanks
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> Sushil Choudhary
>
> Disrict Secretary
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> Nagaur. Rajasthan
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> On 8/3/09, BSNL Chandigarh <email13@gmail.
> com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > dear verma,
>
> >
>
> > pls give phone calls to each CC and CS regarding below
> issues. because some
>
> > of them do not read emails. And after that Each CC
> & CS will phone call
>
> > every DS for the Joint effort.
>
> >
>
> > i fully endorse your ideas. i am ready to stop my
> funds to BSNLEU.
>
> >
>
> > *I request all DS to contact their TTAs in respective
> regions to Quit the
>
> > BSNLEU and stop giving funds every month.*
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > *Enough is Enough..*
>
> >
>
> > i (WE) am waiting for a single promotion since 2002...
> My frnds becomes
>
> > Managers in their company's and during 7 years got
> 7 folds in their
>
> > salaries..
>
> > and i am still siting in BSNL with a lollypop in a
> hand that One day their
>
> > will be a JTO Internal Exam and I will become Group
> 'B' officer.
>
> >
>
> > they (United Forum) r pulling our legs now and then.
>
> >
>
> > this is not my case only..Most of the OLD Dr.TTAs all
> over India have same
>
> > feelings.
>
> >
>
> > Can you tell me how many of our frnds in Private
> becomes Managers in their
>
> > Company.??
>
> > We are not asking for anything extraordinary from BSNL
> Mgmnt. We need just
>
> > One promotion to push ourselves UP.
>
> >
>
> > *Don't we Deserve a Single promotion in 7
> Years...?*
>
> >
>
> > Now we have to take some hard Steps else our future is
> in Deep Dark.
>
> >
>
> > Pls leaders guide us and motivate us so we can unite
> and achieve our goals
>
> > in quick time as we lost 7 yrs already.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > bandhan preet singh.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com, "DHARMENDRA VERMA" <ripu.verma@
> ...> wrote:
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> > >
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> > >
>
> > > Dear CS / CC SNATTA
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > The following was the agreement reached between
> SNATTA and BSNLEU in the
>
> > > last Two Elections.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > 1. In wage revision TTAs must get the highest
> pay scale as per the
>
> > > recommendations of 6th Pay Commission.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > 2. To reduce the service condition under JTO
> RR-2001 from 10 years
>
> > > to 5 years.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > 3. To conduct Departmental exam under 35%
> quota for JTO promotion
>
> > > within a year of this agreement.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > 4. Immediate action to change the Designation
> from TTA to Junior
>
> > > Engineer Telecom (JET).
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > 5. To issue the orders for inter-circle
> transfers under para-8
>
> > > (erstwhile rule-38) for TTAs to their choice
> circle.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > BSNLEU has not been able to achieve the single
> agreement mutually agreed
>
> > > to. There are clear orders by Department of
> Personnel and Training on
>
> > > the recommendations of the Vth and VIth CPC for
> having 6/5 years of
>
> > > fixed qualifying service in the JTO LDCE. The
> orders were given to the
>
> > > Com. VAN Namboodiri in the 21st NCM to present
> before the BSNL
>
> > > management but he failed to do so and again
> agreed to reduce the service
>
> > > condition to 7 years. The attempts of SNATTA NCM
> members to present the
>
> > > DoP&T orders to the Hon. DIR (HR) were
> blocked by some of the
>
> > > constituents of the United Forum. But to our
> utter disappointment even
>
> > > the 7 year condition was not accepted by the BSNL
> Management in the 21st
>
> > > NCM and Dear Com. VAN Namboodiri accepted the
> fake and distorted minutes
>
> > > of the 21st NCM.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > SNATTA CHQ tried to persuade him to incorporate
> the Reduction in Service
>
> > > Condition Under JTO LDCE agenda in the Strike
> Notice so that the outcome
>
> > > of it would be known within 20 days but the same
> was rejected by the
>
> > > Com. Namboodiri as it was as per them a DRTTA
> Cadre issue only.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > On the issue of Highest Pay Scale to the TTA as
> per the recommendations
>
> > > of VIth CPC again the BSNLEU is of the view that
> TTA's are already
>
> > > getting the Highest Pay Scale and it is Sr. TOA
> (P) and Sr. TOA (G) who
>
> > > are needed to be upgraded and not TTA. The
> Designation Change Committee
>
> > > has been put in Doldrums.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > The Promotion Policy which could have given a
> much respite to the Direct
>
> > > Recruits has again severely discriminated between
> the DOT absorbed and
>
> > > the Direct Recruits. The DOT absorbed employees
> who have been
>
> > > restructured and promoted as per the guidelines
> of Pay Commissions and
>
> > > has got promotions after that have been given
> undue advantage of their
>
> > > previous services over the direct recruits. It is
> nothing but a cruel
>
> > > Joke with the direct recruits TTA to give them
> the Scale of JTO after
>
> > > the long service of 32 years. It is a known and
> accepted fact by BSNL
>
> > > Management at several levels that DRTTAs are
> doing the duties of JTO
>
> > > itself.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > These policies of the Trade Unions / Associations
> to neglect the Direct
>
> > > Recruits would lead them nowhere as the
> ultimately it is the BSNL who
>
> > > would suffer and the very existence of Trade
> Unions/ Associations depend
>
> > > upon the existence of BSNL. It is fact that the
> Company or Organization
>
> > > would survive if and only if the Younger
> generation is allowed to grow.
>
> > > The Employees absorbed from DOT might have got
> raw deal from Govt. of
>
> > > India during their days but that does not confer
> them the right to Block
>
> > > the entire career of the younger generation to
> achieve what they have
>
> > > lost in their hey days.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > There seems to be no clear idea in the approach
> of BSNLEU towards the
>
> > > issues related to the TTA cadre and the time has
> come for all of us to
>
> > > think and reconsider our position to support the
> United Forum. We cannot
>
> > > see or just watch our issues being lingered up on
> for 3 years and even
>
> > > now there seems to be no solution in sight.
> BSNLEU has given us several
>
> > > assurances and even promised to the extent of
> 110% in the 21st NCM that
>
> > > the 7 year Service Condition would be accepted in
> the Management
>
> > > Committee and in the BSNL Board Meeting. But
> nothing happened. The
>
> > > reason behind not including our demand in the
> Strike Notice is beyond
>
> > > the imagination of a sane mind.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > The picture is not rosy outside the United Forum.
> The other unions who
>
> > > used to claim themselves the Sole Leaders of TTAs
> have not issued a
>
> > > single statement in the favour of TTAs demands.
> It is really amusing
>
> > > that the Trade Union Leaders of TTA Cadre have
> till date not demanded
>
> > > the Pay Scale up Gradation of TTA Cadre as is
> recommended by the VI CPC.
>
> > > They have also kept mum on several issues related
> to TTA Cadre.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Friends you are requested to decide
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > 1. Shall SNATTA continue to support BSNLEU
> as it won't be able
>
> > > to support our issues being subdued by the
> constituents of United Forum?
>
> > >
>
> > > 2. Shall all the SNATTAians withdraw the
> membership from BSNLEU En
>
> > > Masse and take Legal Recourse to fight all the
> injustice done to the
>
> > > Direct Recruits Viz. Promotion Policy, JTO LDCE
> and Wage Revision.
>
> > >
>
> > > 3. Shall we join the BSNL Worker Alliance
> in case they do agree to
>
> > > resolve the demands of SNATTA within a limited
> time frame?
>
> > >
>
> > > 4. Shall we go all alone with our agenda in
> the best possible way
>
> > > we can.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > All the Circle Secretaries and Central Co
> Coordinators are asked to
>
> > > Judge the Situation as per their Collective
> Intelligence after due
>
> > > diligence with the District Secretaries of their
> Circle and apprise of
>
> > > their Views and Suggestions and how to implement
> those views and
>
> > > Suggestions in the context of present situation
> of SNATTA. The Signed
>
> > > Views of CS & CC on their letter pad should
> reach the SNATTA CHQ email
>
> > > ID within 24 hours so that the future course of
> action can be decided.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > The issue of our court case is being projected by
> some Trade(ing) Union
>
> > > Leaders as the fight between the DRTTAs and DOT
> TTAs to extract money
>
> > > from the other parties. They want this to
> continue so that they can have
>
> > > cake and eat it too.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > SNATTA CHQ
>
> > >
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> >
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> >
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> Posted by:
> "DHARMENDRA VERMA"
> ripu.verma@gmail.
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> dharmen24
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> Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:22 pm (PDT)
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> Dear CS/CC
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> Please mail your suggestions and decisions BY TODAY
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> SNATTACHQ@GMAIL.
> COM/DAVERMA@
> CO.IN.
>
>
>
> DHARMENDRA VERMA
>
> DY G.S.
>
>
>
> --- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com, sushil choudhary <lakshya2001@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > hi all,
>
> > this is really disgesting that a union who put their
> head on feet for
>
> > winning the elections is not listening to the ladder
> who climbed them to the
>
> > top. If the ladder comes to its own then they will be
> seen no where with
>
> > their RMs, TMs & Sr TOAG.
>
> > Please call a conference immidiately so that the whole
> issues may be
>
> > discussed in details and a strong reply may be given
> to so called ......
>
> >
>
> > Thanks
>
> >
>
> > Sushil Choudhary
>
> > Disrict Secretary
>
> > Nagaur. Rajasthan
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On 8/3/09, BSNL Chandigarh <email13@... >
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > dear verma,
>
> > >
>
> > > pls give phone calls to each CC and CS regarding
> below issues. because some
>
> > > of them do not read emails. And after that Each
> CC & CS will phone call
>
> > > every DS for the Joint effort.
>
> > >
>
> > > i fully endorse your ideas. i am ready to stop
> my funds to BSNLEU.
>
> > >
>
> > > *I request all DS to contact their TTAs in
> respective regions to Quit the
>
> > > BSNLEU and stop giving funds every month.*
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > *Enough is Enough..*
>
> > >
>
> > > i (WE) am waiting for a single promotion since
> 2002... My frnds becomes
>
> > > Managers in their company's and during 7
> years got 7 folds in their
>
> > > salaries..
>
> > > and i am still siting in BSNL with a lollypop in
> a hand that One day their
>
> > > will be a JTO Internal Exam and I will become
> Group 'B' officer.
>
> > >
>
> > > they (United Forum) r pulling our legs now and
> then.
>
> > >
>
> > > this is not my case only..Most of the OLD Dr.TTAs
> all over India have same
>
> > > feelings.
>
> > >
>
> > > Can you tell me how many of our frnds in Private
> becomes Managers in their
>
> > > Company.??
>
> > > We are not asking for anything extraordinary from
> BSNL Mgmnt. We need just
>
> > > One promotion to push ourselves UP.
>
> > >
>
> > > *Don't we Deserve a Single promotion in 7
> Years...?*
>
> > >
>
> > > Now we have to take some hard Steps else our
> future is in Deep Dark.
>
> > >
>
> > > Pls leaders guide us and motivate us so we can
> unite and achieve our goals
>
> > > in quick time as we lost 7 yrs already.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > bandhan preet singh.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com, "DHARMENDRA VERMA" <ripu.verma@ >
> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Dear CS / CC SNATTA
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > The following was the agreement reached
> between SNATTA and BSNLEU in the
>
> > > > last Two Elections.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 1. In wage revision TTAs must get the
> highest pay scale as per the
>
> > > > recommendations of 6th Pay Commission.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 2. To reduce the service condition under
> JTO RR-2001 from 10 years
>
> > > > to 5 years.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 3. To conduct Departmental exam under
> 35% quota for JTO promotion
>
> > > > within a year of this agreement.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 4. Immediate action to change the
> Designation from TTA to Junior
>
> > > > Engineer Telecom (JET).
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 5. To issue the orders for inter-circle
> transfers under para-8
>
> > > > (erstwhile rule-38) for TTAs to their choice
> circle.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > BSNLEU has not been able to achieve the
> single agreement mutually agreed
>
> > > > to. There are clear orders by Department of
> Personnel and Training on
>
> > > > the recommendations of the Vth and VIth CPC
> for having 6/5 years of
>
> > > > fixed qualifying service in the JTO LDCE.
> The orders were given to the
>
> > > > Com. VAN Namboodiri in the 21st NCM to
> present before the BSNL
>
> > > > management but he failed to do so and again
> agreed to reduce the service
>
> > > > condition to 7 years. The attempts of SNATTA
> NCM members to present the
>
> > > > DoP&T orders to the Hon. DIR (HR) were
> blocked by some of the
>
> > > > constituents of the United Forum. But to our
> utter disappointment even
>
> > > > the 7 year condition was not accepted by the
> BSNL Management in the 21st
>
> > > > NCM and Dear Com. VAN Namboodiri accepted
> the fake and distorted minutes
>
> > > > of the 21st NCM.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > SNATTA CHQ tried to persuade him to
> incorporate the Reduction in Service
>
> > > > Condition Under JTO LDCE agenda in the
> Strike Notice so that the outcome
>
> > > > of it would be known within 20 days but the
> same was rejected by the
>
> > > > Com. Namboodiri as it was as per them a
> DRTTA Cadre issue only.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > On the issue of Highest Pay Scale to the TTA
> as per the recommendations
>
> > > > of VIth CPC again the BSNLEU is of the view
> that TTA's are already
>
> > > > getting the Highest Pay Scale and it is Sr.
> TOA (P) and Sr. TOA (G) who
>
> > > > are needed to be upgraded and not TTA. The
> Designation Change Committee
>
> > > > has been put in Doldrums.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > The Promotion Policy which could have given
> a much respite to the Direct
>
> > > > Recruits has again severely discriminated
> between the DOT absorbed and
>
> > > > the Direct Recruits. The DOT absorbed
> employees who have been
>
> > > > restructured and promoted as per the
> guidelines of Pay Commissions and
>
> > > > has got promotions after that have been
> given undue advantage of their
>
> > > > previous services over the direct recruits.
> It is nothing but a cruel
>
> > > > Joke with the direct recruits TTA to give
> them the Scale of JTO after
>
> > > > the long service of 32 years. It is a known
> and accepted fact by BSNL
>
> > > > Management at several levels that DRTTAs are
> doing the duties of JTO
>
> > > > itself.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > These policies of the Trade Unions /
> Associations to neglect the Direct
>
> > > > Recruits would lead them nowhere as the
> ultimately it is the BSNL who
>
> > > > would suffer and the very existence of Trade
> Unions/ Associations depend
>
> > > > upon the existence of BSNL. It is fact that
> the Company or Organization
>
> > > > would survive if and only if the Younger
> generation is allowed to grow.
>
> > > > The Employees absorbed from DOT might have
> got raw deal from Govt. of
>
> > > > India during their days but that does not
> confer them the right to Block
>
> > > > the entire career of the younger generation
> to achieve what they have
>
> > > > lost in their hey days.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > There seems to be no clear idea in the
> approach of BSNLEU towards the
>
> > > > issues related to the TTA cadre and the time
> has come for all of us to
>
> > > > think and reconsider our position to support
> the United Forum. We cannot
>
> > > > see or just watch our issues being lingered
> up on for 3 years and even
>
> > > > now there seems to be no solution in sight.
> BSNLEU has given us several
>
> > > > assurances and even promised to the extent
> of 110% in the 21st NCM that
>
> > > > the 7 year Service Condition would be
> accepted in the Management
>
> > > > Committee and in the BSNL Board Meeting. But
> nothing happened. The
>
> > > > reason behind not including our demand in
> the Strike Notice is beyond
>
> > > > the imagination of a sane mind.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > The picture is not rosy outside the United
> Forum. The other unions who
>
> > > > used to claim themselves the Sole Leaders of
> TTAs have not issued a
>
> > > > single statement in the favour of TTAs
> demands. It is really amusing
>
> > > > that the Trade Union Leaders of TTA Cadre
> have till date not demanded
>
> > > > the Pay Scale up Gradation of TTA Cadre as
> is recommended by the VI CPC.
>
> > > > They have also kept mum on several issues
> related to TTA Cadre.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Friends you are requested to decide
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 1. Shall SNATTA continue to support
> BSNLEU as it won't be able
>
> > > > to support our issues being subdued by the
> constituents of United Forum?
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 2. Shall all the SNATTAians withdraw
> the membership from BSNLEU En
>
> > > > Masse and take Legal Recourse to fight all
> the injustice done to the
>
> > > > Direct Recruits Viz. Promotion Policy, JTO
> LDCE and Wage Revision.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 3. Shall we join the BSNL Worker
> Alliance in case they do agree to
>
> > > > resolve the demands of SNATTA within a
> limited time frame?
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 4. Shall we go all alone with our
> agenda in the best possible way
>
> > > > we can.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > All the Circle Secretaries and Central Co
> Coordinators are asked to
>
> > > > Judge the Situation as per their Collective
> Intelligence after due
>
> > > > diligence with the District Secretaries of
> their Circle and apprise of
>
> > > > their Views and Suggestions and how to
> implement those views and
>
> > > > Suggestions in the context of present
> situation of SNATTA. The Signed
>
> > > > Views of CS & CC on their letter pad
> should reach the SNATTA CHQ email
>
> > > > ID within 24 hours so that the future course
> of action can be decided.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > The issue of our court case is being
> projected by some Trade(ing) Union
>
> > > > Leaders as the fight between the DRTTAs and
> DOT TTAs to extract money
>
> > > > from the other parties. They want this to
> continue so that they can have
>
> > > > cake and eat it too.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > SNATTA CHQ
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Re: Dear Circle Secretaries and Central
> CoOrdinators
>
> Posted by:
> "DHARMENDRA VERMA"
> ripu.verma@gmail.
>
>
> dharmen24
>
>
>
> Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:23 pm (PDT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear CS/CC
>
>
>
> Please mail your suggestions and decisions BY TODAY
>
>
>
> SNATTACHQ@GMAIL.
> COM/DAVERMA@
> CO.IN.
>
>
>
> DHARMENDRA VERMA
>
> DY G.S.
>
>
>
> --- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com, sushil choudhary <lakshya2001@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > hi all,
>
> > this is really disgesting that a union who put their
> head on feet for
>
> > winning the elections is not listening to the ladder
> who climbed them to the
>
> > top. If the ladder comes to its own then they will be
> seen no where with
>
> > their RMs, TMs & Sr TOAG.
>
> > Please call a conference immidiately so that the whole
> issues may be
>
> > discussed in details and a strong reply may be given
> to so called ......
>
> >
>
> > Thanks
>
> >
>
> > Sushil Choudhary
>
> > Disrict Secretary
>
> > Nagaur. Rajasthan
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On 8/3/09, BSNL Chandigarh <email13@... >
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > dear verma,
>
> > >
>
> > > pls give phone calls to each CC and CS regarding
> below issues. because some
>
> > > of them do not read emails. And after that Each
> CC & CS will phone call
>
> > > every DS for the Joint effort.
>
> > >
>
> > > i fully endorse your ideas. i am ready to stop
> my funds to BSNLEU.
>
> > >
>
> > > *I request all DS to contact their TTAs in
> respective regions to Quit the
>
> > > BSNLEU and stop giving funds every month.*
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > *Enough is Enough..*
>
> > >
>
> > > i (WE) am waiting for a single promotion since
> 2002... My frnds becomes
>
> > > Managers in their company's and during 7
> years got 7 folds in their
>
> > > salaries..
>
> > > and i am still siting in BSNL with a lollypop in
> a hand that One day their
>
> > > will be a JTO Internal Exam and I will become
> Group 'B' officer.
>
> > >
>
> > > they (United Forum) r pulling our legs now and
> then.
>
> > >
>
> > > this is not my case only..Most of the OLD Dr.TTAs
> all over India have same
>
> > > feelings.
>
> > >
>
> > > Can you tell me how many of our frnds in Private
> becomes Managers in their
>
> > > Company.??
>
> > > We are not asking for anything extraordinary from
> BSNL Mgmnt. We need just
>
> > > One promotion to push ourselves UP.
>
> > >
>
> > > *Don't we Deserve a Single promotion in 7
> Years...?*
>
> > >
>
> > > Now we have to take some hard Steps else our
> future is in Deep Dark.
>
> > >
>
> > > Pls leaders guide us and motivate us so we can
> unite and achieve our goals
>
> > > in quick time as we lost 7 yrs already.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > bandhan preet singh.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com, "DHARMENDRA VERMA" <ripu.verma@ >
> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Dear CS / CC SNATTA
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > The following was the agreement reached
> between SNATTA and BSNLEU in the
>
> > > > last Two Elections.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 1. In wage revision TTAs must get the
> highest pay scale as per the
>
> > > > recommendations of 6th Pay Commission.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 2. To reduce the service condition under
> JTO RR-2001 from 10 years
>
> > > > to 5 years.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 3. To conduct Departmental exam under
> 35% quota for JTO promotion
>
> > > > within a year of this agreement.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 4. Immediate action to change the
> Designation from TTA to Junior
>
> > > > Engineer Telecom (JET).
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 5. To issue the orders for inter-circle
> transfers under para-8
>
> > > > (erstwhile rule-38) for TTAs to their choice
> circle.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > BSNLEU has not been able to achieve the
> single agreement mutually agreed
>
> > > > to. There are clear orders by Department of
> Personnel and Training on
>
> > > > the recommendations of the Vth and VIth CPC
> for having 6/5 years of
>
> > > > fixed qualifying service in the JTO LDCE.
> The orders were given to the
>
> > > > Com. VAN Namboodiri in the 21st NCM to
> present before the BSNL
>
> > > > management but he failed to do so and again
> agreed to reduce the service
>
> > > > condition to 7 years. The attempts of SNATTA
> NCM members to present the
>
> > > > DoP&T orders to the Hon. DIR (HR) were
> blocked by some of the
>
> > > > constituents of the United Forum. But to our
> utter disappointment even
>
> > > > the 7 year condition was not accepted by the
> BSNL Management in the 21st
>
> > > > NCM and Dear Com. VAN Namboodiri accepted
> the fake and distorted minutes
>
> > > > of the 21st NCM.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > SNATTA CHQ tried to persuade him to
> incorporate the Reduction in Service
>
> > > > Condition Under JTO LDCE agenda in the
> Strike Notice so that the outcome
>
> > > > of it would be known within 20 days but the
> same was rejected by the
>
> > > > Com. Namboodiri as it was as per them a
> DRTTA Cadre issue only.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > On the issue of Highest Pay Scale to the TTA
> as per the recommendations
>
> > > > of VIth CPC again the BSNLEU is of the view
> that TTA's are already
>
> > > > getting the Highest Pay Scale and it is Sr.
> TOA (P) and Sr. TOA (G) who
>
> > > > are needed to be upgraded and not TTA. The
> Designation Change Committee
>
> > > > has been put in Doldrums.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > The Promotion Policy which could have given
> a much respite to the Direct
>
> > > > Recruits has again severely discriminated
> between the DOT absorbed and
>
> > > > the Direct Recruits. The DOT absorbed
> employees who have been
>
> > > > restructured and promoted as per the
> guidelines of Pay Commissions and
>
> > > > has got promotions after that have been
> given undue advantage of their
>
> > > > previous services over the direct recruits.
> It is nothing but a cruel
>
> > > > Joke with the direct recruits TTA to give
> them the Scale of JTO after
>
> > > > the long service of 32 years. It is a known
> and accepted fact by BSNL
>
> > > > Management at several levels that DRTTAs are
> doing the duties of JTO
>
> > > > itself.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > These policies of the Trade Unions /
> Associations to neglect the Direct
>
> > > > Recruits would lead them nowhere as the
> ultimately it is the BSNL who
>
> > > > would suffer and the very existence of Trade
> Unions/ Associations depend
>
> > > > upon the existence of BSNL. It is fact that
> the Company or Organization
>
> > > > would survive if and only if the Younger
> generation is allowed to grow.
>
> > > > The Employees absorbed from DOT might have
> got raw deal from Govt. of
>
> > > > India during their days but that does not
> confer them the right to Block
>
> > > > the entire career of the younger generation
> to achieve what they have
>
> > > > lost in their hey days.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > There seems to be no clear idea in the
> approach of BSNLEU towards the
>
> > > > issues related to the TTA cadre and the time
> has come for all of us to
>
> > > > think and reconsider our position to support
> the United Forum. We cannot
>
> > > > see or just watch our issues being lingered
> up on for 3 years and even
>
> > > > now there seems to be no solution in sight.
> BSNLEU has given us several
>
> > > > assurances and even promised to the extent
> of 110% in the 21st NCM that
>
> > > > the 7 year Service Condition would be
> accepted in the Management
>
> > > > Committee and in the BSNL Board Meeting. But
> nothing happened. The
>
> > > > reason behind not including our demand in
> the Strike Notice is beyond
>
> > > > the imagination of a sane mind.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > The picture is not rosy outside the United
> Forum. The other unions who
>
> > > > used to claim themselves the Sole Leaders of
> TTAs have not issued a
>
> > > > single statement in the favour of TTAs
> demands. It is really amusing
>
> > > > that the Trade Union Leaders of TTA Cadre
> have till date not demanded
>
> > > > the Pay Scale up Gradation of TTA Cadre as
> is recommended by the VI CPC.
>
> > > > They have also kept mum on several issues
> related to TTA Cadre.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Friends you are requested to decide
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 1. Shall SNATTA continue to support
> BSNLEU as it won't be able
>
> > > > to support our issues being subdued by the
> constituents of United Forum?
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 2. Shall all the SNATTAians withdraw
> the membership from BSNLEU En
>
> > > > Masse and take Legal Recourse to fight all
> the injustice done to the
>
> > > > Direct Recruits Viz. Promotion Policy, JTO
> LDCE and Wage Revision.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 3. Shall we join the BSNL Worker
> Alliance in case they do agree to
>
> > > > resolve the demands of SNATTA within a
> limited time frame?
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 4. Shall we go all alone with our
> agenda in the best possible way
>
> > > > we can.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > All the Circle Secretaries and Central Co
> Coordinators are asked to
>
> > > > Judge the Situation as per their Collective
> Intelligence after due
>
> > > > diligence with the District Secretaries of
> their Circle and apprise of
>
> > > > their Views and Suggestions and how to
> implement those views and
>
> > > > Suggestions in the context of present
> situation of SNATTA. The Signed
>
> > > > Views of CS & CC on their letter pad
> should reach the SNATTA CHQ email
>
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>
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> Re: Dear Circle Secretaries and Central
> CoOrdinators
>
> Posted by:
> "ashish kalani"
> ashish_kavi@
>
>
> ashish_kavi
>
>
>
> Tue Aug 4, 2009 12:08 am (PDT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> dear lalit,
>
> I support your opnion this is not time to take decision
> that suporting to BSNLEu should be continue or discontinue?
> we had already given our valuable votes to them they are now
> the union that can directly put pressure on managment so we
> have to put a continious pressure on them regarding our
> demands suppose we withdraw our support to BSNLEU do U think
> that they were effected due to this?This is not assembly
> election where withdraw of support is directly effect on
> government,please think about that and than take decision.
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 3/8/09, lalit singh <lalitbsingh@
> yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@
> yahoo.co. uk>
>
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Dear Circle Secretaries and Central
> CoOrdinators
>
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com
>
> Date: Monday, 3 August, 2009, 11:04 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Sir
>
> Before saying anything I will be abide by the decision
> taken by the CHQ SNATTA. Here you asked for opinion for
> future course of action and raised few points, in my view
>
> 1. As BSNLEU is voted as recognized union till Dec. 2010
> and if we withdraw our support it have no effect till
> Dec.2010 except they will be well known about our view well
> in time and accordingly they will take their own steps. I
> think it is good to get our union registered so that
> bargaining with anyone can be done as union not as
> association and forget that we will not involve in this
> dirty politics. It is the true fact we have to accept that
> we are the group 'c' employee and when we asked
> something for our betterment, management will treat us group
> 'c' though they recognized us as very good workers. So
> if we really want to do something here for the welfare of
> ttas we must involve in union activities from the front. But
> taking registration as union we must consider that the name
> and mission must be so broad that there must be some scope
> to add employee from other cadre also may be the BSNL
> recruited only so that we have the option to increase
>
> our strength.
>
> 2. If we want to withdraw our subscription it is better
> that this amount must go in favor of SNATTA which not only
> strengthen the SNATTA financially but also a system will be
> developed for fund collection. As in my SSA the deduction
> from salary is for three unions and SNATTA will be the
> fourth but it will give a very drastic change in SNATTA
> account.
>
> 3. I am not known about the workers alliance is it FNTO or
> any other one and by whom it is headed by. I think it must
> be postponed till the union registration.
>
> Sir I think we should wait, though we are well known that
> BSNLEU will not do anything for us and prepare our self for
> the next verification with target that our union must be
> formed and then we will take the decision at that times
> circumstances. We know that at least our members will be
> present in every ssa who will do some efforts and SNATTAs
> union will not be a regional union.
>
> On the other hand till now only six to seven month has
> passes now and BSNLEU will get a chance that SNATTA has not
> given him the time as per agreement to fulfill their demand
> and given a betrayal. So by giving them some more time we
> can completely exposed them and they have no words to say
> for their face saving. But we will utilize this time to
> strengthen ourselves and will give them a befitting reply
> for their great betrayal at the time of verification by
> showing their real face to the BSNL employee and put them on
> the ground because they are enjoying areoplane on the hard
> earned money of the BSNL employees.
>
> Waiting for your comments.
>
> With best regards
>
> Er. Lalit singh
>
>
>
> TTA Gonda UP(E)
>
> 9453444900
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 3/8/09, DHARMENDRA VERMA <ripu.verma@ gmail.
> com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: DHARMENDRA VERMA <ripu.verma@ gmail. com>
>
> Subject: [TTABSNL] Dear Circle Secretaries and Central
> CoOrdinators
>
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>
> Date: Monday, 3 August, 2009, 4:34 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear CS / CC SNATTA
>
>
>
> The following was the agreement reached between SNATTA and
> BSNLEU in the last Two Elections.
>
>
>
> 1. In wage revision TTAs must get the highest pay
> scale as per the recommendations of 6th Pay Commission.
>
>
>
> 2. To reduce the service condition under JTO
> RR-2001 from 10 years to 5 years.
>
>
>
> 3. To conduct Departmental exam under 35% quota
> for JTO promotion within a year of this agreement.
>
>
>
> 4. Immediate action to change the Designation from TTA
> to Junior Engineer Telecom (JET).
>
>
>
> 5. To issue the orders for inter-circle transfers
> under para-8 (erstwhile rule-38) for TTAs to their choice
> circle..
>
>
>
> BSNLEU has not been able to achieve the single agreement
> mutually agreed to. There are clear orders by Department of
> Personnel and Training on the recommendations of the Vth and
> VIth CPC for having 6/5 years of fixed qualifying service in
> the JTO LDCE. The orders were given to the Com. VAN
> Namboodiri in the 21st NCM to present before the BSNL
> management but he failed to do so and again agreed to reduce
> the service condition to 7 years. The attempts of SNATTA NCM
> members to present the DoP&T orders to the Hon. DIR (HR)
> were blocked by some of the constituents of the United
> Forum. But to our utter disappointment even the 7 year
> condition was not accepted by the BSNL Management in the
> 21st NCM and Dear Com. VAN Namboodiri accepted the fake and
> distorted minutes of the 21st NCM.
>
>
>
> SNATTA CHQ tried to persuade him to incorporate the
> Reduction in Service Condition Under JTO LDCE agenda in the
> Strike Notice so that the outcome of it would be known
> within 20 days but the same was rejected by the Com.
> Namboodiri as it was as per them a DRTTA Cadre issue only.
>
>
>
> On the issue of Highest Pay Scale to the TTA as per the
> recommendations of VIth CPC again the BSNLEU is of the view
> that TTA's are already getting the Highest Pay Scale and
> it is Sr. TOA (P) and Sr. TOA (G) who are needed to be
> upgraded and not TTA. The Designation Change Committee has
> been put in Doldrums.
>
>
>
> The Promotion Policy which could have given a much respite
> to the Direct Recruits has again severely discriminated
> between the DOT absorbed and the Direct Recruits. The DOT
> absorbed employees who have been restructured and promoted
> as per the guidelines of Pay Commissions and has got
> promotions after that have been given undue advantage of
> their previous services over the direct recruits. It is
> nothing but a cruel Joke with the direct recruits TTA to
> give them the Scale of JTO after the long service of 32
> years. It is a known and accepted fact by BSNL Management at
> several levels that DRTTAs are doing the duties of JTO
> itself.
>
>
>
> These policies of the Trade Unions / Associations to
> neglect the Direct Recruits would lead them nowhere as the
> ultimately it is the BSNL who would suffer and the very
> existence of Trade Unions/ Associations depend upon the
> existence of BSNL. It is fact that the Company or
> Organization would survive if and only if the Younger
> generation is allowed to grow. The Employees absorbed from
> DOT might have got raw deal from Govt. of India during their
> days but that does not confer them the right to Block the
> entire career of the younger generation to achieve what they
> have lost in their hey days.
>
>
>
> There seems to be no clear idea in the approach of BSNLEU
> towards the issues related to the TTA cadre and the time has
> come for all of us to think and reconsider our position to
> support the United Forum. We cannot see or just watch our
> issues being lingered up on for 3 years and even now there
> seems to be no solution in sight. BSNLEU has given us
> several assurances and even promised to the extent of 110%
> in the 21st NCM that the 7 year Service Condition would be
> accepted in the Management Committee and in the BSNL Board
> Meeting. But nothing happened. The reason behind not
> including our demand in the Strike Notice is beyond the
> imagination of a sane mind.
>
>
>
> The picture is not rosy outside the United Forum. The other
> unions who used to claim themselves the Sole Leaders of TTAs
> have not issued a single statement in the favour of TTAs
> demands. It is really amusing that the Trade Union Leaders
> of TTA Cadre have till date not demanded the Pay Scale up
> Gradation of TTA Cadre as is recommended by the VI CPC. They
> have also kept mum on several issues related to TTA Cadre.
>
>
>
> Friends you are requested to decide
>
>
>
> 1. Shall SNATTA continue to support BSNLEU as
> it won't be able to support our issues being subdued by
> the constituents of United Forum?
>
> 2. Shall all the SNATTAians withdraw the
> membership from BSNLEU En Masse and take Legal Recourse to
> fight all the injustice done to the Direct Recruits Viz.
> Promotion Policy, JTO LDCE and Wage Revision.
>
> 3. Shall we join the BSNL Worker Alliance in
> case they do agree to resolve the demands of SNATTA within a
> limited time frame?
>
> 4. Shall we go all alone with our agenda in the
> best possible way we can.
>
>
>
>
>
> All the Circle Secretaries and Central Co Coordinators are
> asked to Judge the Situation as per their Collective
> Intelligence after due diligence with the District
> Secretaries of their Circle and apprise of their Views and
> Suggestions and how to implement those views and Suggestions
> in the context of present situation of SNATTA. The Signed
> Views of CS & CC on their letter pad should reach the
> SNATTA CHQ email ID within 24 hours so that the future
> course of action can be decided.
>
>
>
> The issue of our court case is being projected by some
> Trade(ing) Union Leaders as the fight between the DRTTAs and
> DOT TTAs to extract money from the other parties. They want
> this to continue so that they can have cake and eat it too.
>
>
>
>
>
> SNATTA CHQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Re: Dear Circle Secretaries and Central
> CoOrdinators
>
> Posted by:
> "dhiraj chaudhary"
> dc_bsnlfbd@yahoo.
>
>
> dc_bsnlfbd
>
>
>
> Tue Aug 4, 2009 2:53 am (PDT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
>
>
> In my view we should work in the following way-
>
> (1) Firstly give ultimatem to Namboodiri to set right the
> distorted minutes of meeting of NCM before 18th August
> otherwise we will not support him in his strike program.
>
>
>
> (2) Secondly, prepare joint forum of Direct Recruits with
> AIGETOA and give Joint demonstration notice to management if
> AIGETOA includes our demand to reduce service condition
> from 10 to 5.
>
>
>
> (3) AIGETOA must include at least 2 members from
> SNATTA-Chq to negotiate with management.
>
>
>
> Yours
>
> Dhiraj Chaudhary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 3/8/09, DHARMENDRA VERMA <ripu.verma@
> com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: DHARMENDRA VERMA <ripu.verma@
> com>
>
> Subject: [TTABSNL] Dear Circle Secretaries and Central
> CoOrdinators
>
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com
>
> Date: Monday, 3 August, 2009, 4:34 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear CS / CC SNATTA
>
>
>
> The following was the agreement reached between SNATTA and
> BSNLEU in the last Two Elections.
>
>
>
> 1. In wage revision TTAs must get the highest pay
> scale as per the recommendations of 6th Pay Commission.
>
>
>
> 2. To reduce the service condition under JTO
> RR-2001 from 10 years to 5 years.
>
>
>
> 3. To conduct Departmental exam under 35% quota
> for JTO promotion within a year of this agreement.
>
>
>
> 4. Immediate action to change the Designation from TTA
> to Junior Engineer Telecom (JET).
>
>
>
> 5. To issue the orders for inter-circle transfers
> under para-8 (erstwhile rule-38) for TTAs to their choice
> circle.
>
>
>
> BSNLEU has not been able to achieve the single agreement
> mutually agreed to.. There are clear orders by Department of
> Personnel and Training on the recommendations of the Vth and
> VIth CPC for having 6/5 years of fixed qualifying service in
> the JTO LDCE. The orders were given to the Com. VAN
> Namboodiri in the 21st NCM to present before the BSNL
> management but he failed to do so and again agreed to reduce
> the service condition to 7 years. The attempts of SNATTA NCM
> members to present the DoP&T orders to the Hon. DIR (HR)
> were blocked by some of the constituents of the United
> Forum. But to our utter disappointment even the 7 year
> condition was not accepted by the BSNL Management in the
> 21st NCM and Dear Com. VAN Namboodiri accepted the fake and
> distorted minutes of the 21st NCM.
>
>
>
> SNATTA CHQ tried to persuade him to incorporate the
> Reduction in Service Condition Under JTO LDCE agenda in the
> Strike Notice so that the outcome of it would be known
> within 20 days but the same was rejected by the Com.
> Namboodiri as it was as per them a DRTTA Cadre issue only.
>
>
>
> On the issue of Highest Pay Scale to the TTA as per the
> recommendations of VIth CPC again the BSNLEU is of the view
> that TTA's are already getting the Highest Pay Scale and
> it is Sr. TOA (P) and Sr. TOA (G) who are needed to be
> upgraded and not TTA. The Designation Change Committee has
> been put in Doldrums.
>
>
>
> The Promotion Policy which could have given a much respite
> to the Direct Recruits has again severely discriminated
> between the DOT absorbed and the Direct Recruits. The DOT
> absorbed employees who have been restructured and promoted
> as per the guidelines of Pay Commissions and has got
> promotions after that have been given undue advantage of
> their previous services over the direct recruits. It is
> nothing but a cruel Joke with the direct recruits TTA to
> give them the Scale of JTO after the long service of 32
> years. It is a known and accepted fact by BSNL Management at
> several levels that DRTTAs are doing the duties of JTO
> itself.
>
>
>
> These policies of the Trade Unions / Associations to
> neglect the Direct Recruits would lead them nowhere as the
> ultimately it is the BSNL who would suffer and the very
> existence of Trade Unions/ Associations depend upon the
> existence of BSNL. It is fact that the Company or
> Organization would survive if and only if the Younger
> generation is allowed to grow. The Employees absorbed from
> DOT might have got raw deal from Govt. of India during their
> days but that does not confer them the right to Block the
> entire career of the younger generation to achieve what they
> have lost in their hey days.
>
>
>
> There seems to be no clear idea in the approach of BSNLEU
> towards the issues related to the TTA cadre and the time has
> come for all of us to think and reconsider our position to
> support the United Forum. We cannot see or just watch our
> issues being lingered up on for 3 years and even now there
> seems to be no solution in sight. BSNLEU has given us
> several assurances and even promised to the extent of 110%
> in the 21st NCM that the 7 year Service Condition would be
> accepted in the Management Committee and in the BSNL Board
> Meeting. But nothing happened. The reason behind not
> including our demand in the Strike Notice is beyond the
> imagination of a sane mind.
>
>
>
> The picture is not rosy outside the United Forum. The other
> unions who used to claim themselves the Sole Leaders of TTAs
> have not issued a single statement in the favour of TTAs
> demands. It is really amusing that the Trade Union Leaders
> of TTA Cadre have till date not demanded the Pay Scale up
> Gradation of TTA Cadre as is recommended by the VI CPC. They
> have also kept mum on several issues related to TTA Cadre.
>
>
>
> Friends you are requested to decide
>
>
>
> 1. Shall SNATTA continue to support BSNLEU as
> it won't be able to support our issues being subdued by
> the constituents of United Forum?
>
> 2. Shall all the SNATTAians withdraw the
> membership from BSNLEU En Masse and take Legal Recourse to
> fight all the injustice done to the Direct Recruits Viz.
> Promotion Policy, JTO LDCE and Wage Revision.
>
> 3. Shall we join the BSNL Worker Alliance in
> case they do agree to resolve the demands of SNATTA within a
> limited time frame?
>
> 4. Shall we go all alone with our agenda in the
> best possible way we can.
>
>
>
>
>
> All the Circle Secretaries and Central Co Coordinators are
> asked to Judge the Situation as per their Collective
> Intelligence after due diligence with the District
> Secretaries of their Circle and apprise of their Views and
> Suggestions and how to implement those views and Suggestions
> in the context of present situation of SNATTA. The Signed
> Views of CS & CC on their letter pad should reach the
> SNATTA CHQ email ID within 24 hours so that the future
> course of action can be decided.
>
>
>
> The issue of our court case is being projected by some
> Trade(ing) Union Leaders as the fight between the DRTTAs and
> DOT TTAs to extract money from the other parties. They want
> this to continue so that they can have cake and eat it too.
>
>
>
>
>
> SNATTA CHQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Re: Dear Circle Secretaries and Central
> CoOrdinators
>
> Posted by:
> "a1amit2005"
> a1amit2005@yahoo.
>
>
> a1amit2005
>
>
>
> Tue Aug 4, 2009 4:16 am (PDT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi..
>
>
>
> i am simply quoting some lines of the letter written to
> management by aigetoa member ...
>
>
>
> they specified us and the eligiblity condition of ten years
> for pormotion (TTA TO JTO)... FOR CONVEINCING THE MANAGEMENT
> AND TO MAKE UNDERSTAND THERE PROBLEM TO THEM....
>
>
>
> WE CANNOT EXPECT MORE FROM THEM..... today they want us for
> joint forum or calling absorbed non executive... . where
> were they from last 8 years.... why we didnt find any joint
> forum then.....
>
>
>
> here are some lines of that letter...
>
>
>
> For example to get promotion from TTA (Group-C) to
> JTO-Group C the minimum
>
> length of service specified is six years. To get the
> promotion from TTA (Group-C) to
>
> JTO-Group B the minimum length of service specified is ten
> years. Thus a TTA with six
>
> years of service becomes eligible for promotion to Group-C
> JTO but to become a Group-
>
> B JTO he has to get the minimum experience of 10 years.
> Thus there is already a
>
> difference of 4 years in the stature of JTO-Group B and JTO
> group-C. A Group-C JTO
>
> after an experience of three years becomes eligible for
> promotion to SDE Group B.
>
>
>
> wht i feel on moral ground .. if they really think about us
> .. should not mention this.... as the eligiblity is still an
> issue and we didnt get the final verdict..... .
>
>
>
> Every body has to fight for there own rights... might be we
> have some common problems.. we must join hands for that.. we
> must fight for it...but i doubt... in many ways .. we r
> different and have some other issues to handel....
>
>
>
> still i find ligal option is better one.. just try to get
> stay order...[ to show our power to BSNLEU nad Management(
> i know mang. will not be effected directly but BSNLEU AND
> ALL OTHER UNION WILL BE...)]
>
> a> promotion policy.. b> wage revision .. if we all
> agree.. c> on all other issue which is effecting us
> directly.. we can't seat mum...
>
> lets kill there time also .. then only they realise
>
>
>
> THE COMPLET LETTER IS AS FOLLOWS..... ......... .........
> .
>
> AVAILABLE ON AIGETOA SITE...
>
>
>
> From
>
> Name: MANOJ KUMAR
>
> DR-JTO batch: 2002
>
> HRMS No: 200301766
>
> Designation: JTO
>
> Office address: O/o The GMTD, Karnal SSA, Haryana Circle.
>
> To
>
> The COMPETENT AUTHORITY-HRD,
>
> BHARAT SANCHAR NIGAM LIMITED.
>
> (THROUGH PROPER CHANNEL)
>
> Subject: Agony of a Directly Recruited (DR) Group
> "B" Executive in BSNL.
>
> References enclosed:
>
> 1. No. 22011/10/84- Estt. (D), Dated: 4th February 1992
> (Issued by Government of
>
> India).
>
> 2. Junior Telecom Officer Recruitment Rules 99 Dated: 31
> August 1999 (Issued
>
> by Ministry of Communications, Department of
> Telecommunications) .
>
> 3. Junior Telecom Officer Recruitment Rules 2001 Dated: 26
> September 2001
>
> (Issued by Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited).
>
> Sir,
>
> With due respect and humble submission I beseech to lay
> down a few lines for
>
> your kind consideration. That, even after the six years of
> continuous & regular
>
> service in BSNL as a directly recruited Group "B"
> executive the undersigned is still
>
> waiting for his first functional promotion. The anguish of
> a mind can be well
>
> understood from the fact that apart from this long waiting
> period there is not even a
>
> slightest glimpse of career ahead.
>
> Being an employee who is exclusively recruited by the
> public sector
>
> undertaking a feeling always came to my heart that the
> present state of affairs could
>
> be poles apart if & if the regulations specific to the
> PSU were functional to the
>
> class and category of mine. Ironically I have been dragged
> into the government setup
>
> and every rule and regulation applicable thereof was made
> applicable to me also.
>
> The first indication of this wrong step came to the notice
> of mine after my
>
> recruitment into the BSNL. This was the day when I
> understood the actual motive
>
> behind the undertaking taken from me prior to my
> recruitment. A few lines of that
>
> draconian piece of paper are reproduced below:
>
> "I also understand that if appointed, I would rank
> junior to any J.T.O. who had been appointed earlier by
>
> the erstwhile DoT/DTS/DTO or BSNL or any other employee in
> the promotional cadre who had already qualified
>
> in the JTO Examination but not appointed as JTO by BSNL so
> far."
>
> I sincerely feel that this was the unique incidence of its
> kind in the history
>
> of government recruitment where in addition to the
> eligibility some additional
>
> condition was put obligatory to get the employment.
>
> It is not a question of that whether or not the
> advertisement or the training
>
> letter and so as the various other communications made by
> the management of BSNL has
>
> used the tag of "Graduate Engineer Junior Telecom
> Officer" with it, but it is a
>
> question of the identity of JTO. Who is JTO & What JTO
> is?
>
> This is a sincere & honest effort on my part to expose
> the truth behind the
>
> word JTO and patience to bear with reading is requested.
>
> After its formation BSNL has recruited Graduate Engineers
> as JTOs from the
>
> open market through an ALL INDIA COMPETTIVE EXAMINATION
> having the same syllabus as
>
> that specified by UPSC for the Engineering Services
> Examination.
>
> The post of JTO in BSNL is specified as an Executive in the
> RR2001 of Junior Telecom
>
> Officer (enclosed). The RR2001 of JTO contains an initial
> constitution which is
>
> reproduced below:
>
> "All officials holding the posts of Junior Telecom
> Officers on regular basis in the erstwhile DOT/DTS/DTO
> before
>
> commencement of these rules and those who have been
> absorbed in Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited shall be deemed to
> have
>
> been appointed as Junior Telecom Officer in BSN"L.
>
> Together with the initial constitution of my recruitment
> rule the undertaking
>
> taken from me prior to my recruitment I want to affirm that
> I am ready to accept all
>
> the JTOs appointed by erstwhile DoT/DTS/DTO as senior to
> me. But this is not the end
>
> in fact this is the beginning. To have a better
> understanding some important events
>
> which occurred in the history of DoT will be reproduced
> herein.
>
> The various "POSTS" in government are classified
> into four groups namely Group-A,
>
> Group-B, Group-C and Group-D.
>
> The civil service of the Central Government is organized
> into four groups, viz. Group `A' (which includes all-
> India Service)
>
> Group `B', Group `C' and Group `D'. Such
> classification broadly corresponds to the rank, status and
> the degree of the level
>
> of responsibility attached to the posts. Group `A'
> posts carry higher administrative and executive
> responsibilities and include
>
> senior management positions in the ministries/departme nts
> and field organizations. The middle and junior levels of
> Group
>
> `A' along with Group `B' constitute middle
> management. Group `C' posts perform supervisory as well
> as operative tasks and
>
> render clerical assistances in ministries and field
> organizations. Group `D' posts are meant for carrying
> out routine duties.
>
> The above guidelines clearly reflect that a Group-A post
> carries a bigger sphere
>
> of responsibility with it. The group-B post carries a
> lesser sphere of responsibility
>
> then group-A. Further the Group-C post carries lesser
> responsibility than group-B and
>
> so on.
>
> Up to 31 August 1999 the "POST" of JTO was
> Group-C and so as the
>
> "person/incumbent" holding the said post. In the
> month of September 1999 the "POST"
>
> of JTO was upgraded to Group-B by the government of India.
> Due to this up gradation
>
> the earlier recruitment rule of 1996 for the post of JTO
> was amended with the new
>
> recruitment rule of 1999(enclosed) .
>
> As per the guidelines of Department of Personal &
> Training, Government of
>
> India whenever a post is upgraded to Group-B or to Group-A
> the approval of UPSC is
>
> required to confirm the suitability of incumbent to
> determine the date of
>
> upgradation. No. 22011/10/84- Estt. (D), Dated: 4th
> February 1992 (enclosed)
>
> But in DoT no such approval was sought from UPSC and all
> the incumbents
>
> holding the "POST" of Group-C were
> "assumed" as Group-B from the very first day of
>
> when the Group-B post of JTO come into existence. This was
> wrong.
>
> I am not saying that all such people who got their
> upgradation to Group-B
>
> without the approval of UPSC will remain Group-C forever.
> They will achieve the
>
> status of Group-B from the date of their suitability which
> depends upon the number of
>
> years of service they have rendered as a Group-C. To
> explain further, there are
>
> certain rules framed by Government of India through which
> appointment of a person can
>
> be made on a particular post (Group-A/B/C/ D). To make the
> appointment the person is
>
> to be adjudged as suitable for appointment. For Group-A
> posts the suitability of a
>
> person is judged by UPSC through All India examination
> followed by an Interview
>
> (usually). Similarly for the Group-B posts an All India
> examination is conducted by
>
> UPSC or SSC or the Recruitment Board followed by an
> interview (optional). For Group-C
>
> and Group-D Posts the recruitment is not done by the
> commission and can be done by
>
> the parent departments. Thus for the case of direct
> recruitment to the various
>
> categories of posts (Group-A/B/C/ D) we have different
> mechanisms though
>
> UPSC/SSC/Recruitmen t Boards/Parent Departments etc.
>
> However in the case of recruitment through promotion to the
> various
>
> categories(Group- A/B/C/D) of post the government has
> specified a particular length of
>
> service in the feeder grade to become eligible for
> consideration to next promotion.
>
> For example to get promotion from TTA (Group-C) to
> JTO-Group C the minimum
>
> length of service specified is six years. To get the
> promotion from TTA (Group-C) to
>
> JTO-Group B the minimum length of service specified is ten
> years. Thus a TTA with six
>
> years of service becomes eligible for promotion to Group-C
> JTO but to become a Group-
>
> B JTO he has to get the minimum experience of 10 years.
> Thus there is already a
>
> difference of 4 years in the stature of JTO-Group B and JTO
> group-C. A Group-C JTO
>
> after an experience of three years becomes eligible for
> promotion to SDE Group B.
>
> With the above background it mentioned during the period
> when the post of
>
> JTO was Group-C the recruitment was done by the parent
> department i.e. DoT through
>
> its circles. But after the upgradation of post of JTO to
> Group-B the recruitment was
>
> to be done by UPSC and it is learnt that a proposal was
> sent to UPSC for this. But in
>
> the meantime the DoT was corporatized into BSNL and the
> said process could not take
>
> off.
>
> After the formation of BSNL the management of BSNL has
> recruited Graduate
>
> Engineers from the open market through all India
> competitive examination in the year
>
> 2001 & 2002. At that time most of the staff of DoT was
> on deputation to BSNL and
>
> working as JTO or rather as Group-C JTO as suitability
> assessment was not done in
>
> their cases. To my dismay BSNL has absorbed all these as
> Group-B JTOs as thus made
>
> them equivalent to the stature of my cadre. This was
> wrong.
>
> The post of SDE was and is a promotion post of JTO Group-C.
> For the case of
>
> Group-B JTO what will be next promotion? This is the
> question for which I am
>
> searching the answer and finally I have knocked the door of
> your good self.
>
> Though I do not have any documentary proof to support the
> answer my question
>
> yet I firmly believe that SDE is not my next promotion
> post. There are two strong
>
> reasons to believe this. The first one is that in the
> central government all the
>
> posts having the pay scale 6500-200-10500( Vth CPC) and
> having the status of GCS
>
> Group-B are promoted to the JTS scale of 8000-275-13500
> after the completion of four
>
> years of service in the grade as GCS Group-B. And the
> second one is as per the
>
> staffing norms issued by BSNL for its new services such as
> CMTS, WLL & Internet it is
>
> clearly mentioned that the responsibilities of Group-B JTO
> and Group-B SDE are same.
>
> The reporting officer for both the executives is same i.e.
> STS group-A. Thus, I
>
> believe that my next promotion should be to the grade of
> JTS or STS after the minimum
>
> eligible service of four or six years respectively.
>
> In view of large number of inconsistencies I therefore
> request you to reconsider
>
> the whole process afresh so that my interests are
> safeguarded and existing
>
> aspirations are protected.
>
> Thanking you & expecting a favorable and early
> response,
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> (MANOJ KUMAR)
>
> Date: 10 June 2009 DR GROUP `B' EXECUITVE
>
>
>
> --- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com, dhiraj chaudhary <dc_bsnlfbd@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Dear Friends,
>
> >
>
> > In my view we should work in the following way-
>
> > (1) Firstly give ultimatem to Namboodiri to set right
> the distorted minutes of meeting of NCM before 18th August
> otherwise we will not support him in his strike program.
>
> >
>
> > (2) Secondly, prepare joint forum of Direct Recruits
> with AIGETOA and give Joint demonstration notice to
> management if AIGETOA includes our demand to reduce service
> condition from 10 to 5.
>
> >
>
> > (3) AIGETOA must include at least 2 members from
> SNATTA-Chq to negotiate with management.
>
> >
>
> > Yours
>
> > Dhiraj Chaudhary
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- On Mon, 3/8/09, DHARMENDRA VERMA <ripu.verma@
> ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From: DHARMENDRA VERMA <ripu.verma@ ...>
>
> > Subject: [TTABSNL] Dear Circle Secretaries and Central
> CoOrdinators
>
> > To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com
>
> > Date: Monday, 3 August, 2009, 4:34 PM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Dear CS / CC SNATTA
>
> >
>
> > The following was the agreement reached between SNATTA
> and BSNLEU in the last Two Elections.
>
> >
>
> > 1. In wage revision TTAs must get the highest
> pay scale as per the recommendations of 6th Pay Commission.
>
> >
>
> > 2. To reduce the service condition under JTO
> RR-2001 from 10 years to 5 years.
>
> >
>
> > 3. To conduct Departmental exam under 35%
> quota for JTO promotion within a year of this agreement.
>
> >
>
> > 4. Immediate action to change the Designation from
> TTA to Junior Engineer Telecom (JET).
>
> >
>
> > 5. To issue the orders for inter-circle
> transfers under para-8 (erstwhile rule-38) for TTAs to their
> choice circle.
>
> >
>
> > BSNLEU has not been able to achieve the single
> agreement mutually agreed to.. There are clear orders by
> Department of Personnel and Training on the recommendations
> of the Vth and VIth CPC for having 6/5 years of fixed
> qualifying service in the JTO LDCE. The orders were given to
> the Com. VAN Namboodiri in the 21st NCM to present before
> the BSNL management but he failed to do so and again agreed
> to reduce the service condition to 7 years. The attempts of
> SNATTA NCM members to present the DoP&T orders to the
> Hon. DIR (HR) were blocked by some of the constituents of
> the United Forum. But to our utter disappointment even the 7
> year condition was not accepted by the BSNL Management in
> the 21st NCM and Dear Com. VAN Namboodiri accepted the fake
> and distorted minutes of the 21st NCM.
>
> >
>
> > SNATTA CHQ tried to persuade him to incorporate the
> Reduction in Service Condition Under JTO LDCE agenda in the
> Strike Notice so that the outcome of it would be known
> within 20 days but the same was rejected by the Com.
> Namboodiri as it was as per them a DRTTA Cadre issue only.
>
> >
>
> > On the issue of Highest Pay Scale to the TTA as per
> the recommendations of VIth CPC again the BSNLEU is of the
> view that TTA's are already getting the Highest Pay
> Scale and it is Sr. TOA (P) and Sr. TOA (G) who are needed
> to be upgraded and not TTA. The Designation Change Committee
> has been put in Doldrums.
>
> >
>
> > The Promotion Policy which could have given a much
> respite to the Direct Recruits has again severely
> discriminated between the DOT absorbed and the Direct
> Recruits. The DOT absorbed employees who have been
> restructured and promoted as per the guidelines of Pay
> Commissions and has got promotions after that have been
> given undue advantage of their previous services over the
> direct recruits. It is nothing but a cruel Joke with the
> direct recruits TTA to give them the Scale of JTO after the
> long service of 32 years. It is a known and accepted fact by
> BSNL Management at several levels that DRTTAs are doing the
> duties of JTO itself.
>
> >
>
> > These policies of the Trade Unions / Associations to
> neglect the Direct Recruits would lead them nowhere as the
> ultimately it is the BSNL who would suffer and the very
> existence of Trade Unions/ Associations depend upon the
> existence of BSNL. It is fact that the Company or
> Organization would survive if and only if the Younger
> generation is allowed to grow. The Employees absorbed from
> DOT might have got raw deal from Govt. of India during their
> days but that does not confer them the right to Block the
> entire career of the younger generation to achieve what they
> have lost in their hey days.
>
> >
>
> > There seems to be no clear idea in the approach of
> BSNLEU towards the issues related to the TTA cadre and the
> time has come for all of us to think and reconsider our
> position to support the United Forum. We cannot see or just
> watch our issues being lingered up on for 3 years and even
> now there seems to be no solution in sight. BSNLEU has given
> us several assurances and even promised to the extent of
> 110% in the 21st NCM that the 7 year Service Condition would
> be accepted in the Management Committee and in the BSNL
> Board Meeting. But nothing happened. The reason behind not
> including our demand in the Strike Notice is beyond the
> imagination of a sane mind.
>
> >
>
> > The picture is not rosy outside the United Forum. The
> other unions who used to claim themselves the Sole Leaders
> of TTAs have not issued a single statement in the favour of
> TTAs demands. It is really amusing that the Trade Union
> Leaders of TTA Cadre have till date not demanded the Pay
> Scale up Gradation of TTA Cadre as is recommended by the VI
> CPC. They have also kept mum on several issues related to
> TTA Cadre.
>
> >
>
> > Friends you are requested to decide
>
> >
>
> > 1. Shall SNATTA continue to support BSNLEU
> as it won't be able to support our issues being subdued
> by the constituents of United Forum?
>
> > 2. Shall all the SNATTAians withdraw the
> membership from BSNLEU En Masse and take Legal Recourse to
> fight all the injustice done to the Direct Recruits Viz.
> Promotion Policy, JTO LDCE and Wage Revision.
>
> > 3. Shall we join the BSNL Worker Alliance
> in case they do agree to resolve the demands of SNATTA
> within a limited time frame?
>
> > 4. Shall we go all alone with our agenda
> in the best possible way we can.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > All the Circle Secretaries and Central Co Coordinators
> are asked to Judge the Situation as per their Collective
> Intelligence after due diligence with the District
> Secretaries of their Circle and apprise of their Views and
> Suggestions and how to implement those views and Suggestions
> in the context of present situation of SNATTA. The Signed
> Views of CS & CC on their letter pad should reach the
> SNATTA CHQ email ID within 24 hours so that the future
> course of action can be decided.
>
> >
>
> > The issue of our court case is being projected by some
> Trade(ing) Union Leaders as the fight between the DRTTAs and
> DOT TTAs to extract money from the other parties. They want
> this to continue so that they can have cake and eat it too.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > SNATTA CHQ
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> 2a.
>
>
>
> Re: Our Profit - reg
>
> Posted by:
> "ann"
> anishvargheese@
>
>
> anishvargheese
>
>
>
> Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:30 pm (PDT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Research firm Nielsen, in a recent survey, has found that
> only a select bracket of mobile phone users will actually
> use the number portability option once it is in place soon.
> According to the survey, close to one in five (18 percent)
> Indian mobile phone subscribers would change their mobile
> operator if Mobile Number Portability is introduced into the
> market. That still is a huge number considering the size of
> the Indian market. Amongst the companies that are most
> likely to lose customers with the arrival of number
> portability, Reliance, Tata Indicom and BSNL lead the pack.
> Amongst the 12000 plus respondents surveyed, one in four
> Reliance and Tata Indicom subscribers would be keen to
> change their operator if Mobile Number Portability is
> introduced, followed by close to one in five (19 percent) of
> BSNL subscribers.
>
>
>
> How we can stop this ? But the good news is, there is no
> indication about how many customers change to BSNL. Anyway,
> we need strong marketing through media etc. Already we have
> strong marketing through various Hindi channels for BSNL 3G.
> Yesterday I saw it on Discovery also. We can also expect
> good marketing in regional language channels also after 3G
> is launched in that places.
>
>
>
> More info about the survey is at http://dataone.
> atfreeforum. com/news- f5/mobile- number-portabili
> ty-will-affect- bsnl-t52. html
>
>
>
> Anish
>
> Kerala Circle
>
>
>
> --- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com, "prasanna raghavan" <aaremvel@..
> .> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > It is reported that BSNL profit has dropped
> significantly since 2005. It is not only because of reducing
> connections, but also due to the fact being a monopoly those
> days BSNL charged huge rental charges for Landline which has
> reduced considerably now. Last year we were asked not to
> sale prepaid cards even when customer approaching us, for
> three months due to incomplete expansion works. After
> expansion works were complete, the plans introduced were
> having low starter pack values like 25 rs, 40 rs and even
> free during melas. Call charges also has reduced drastically
> due to competition, so its natural that the profit range
> will come down. It is also reported that Airtel spends only
> 4.5 % towards salaries. SO the need of the hour is to
> increase the sales volume so as to increase per employee
> production rate. Say in a CSR we must try to improve our
> sales rate atleast by 200 % to match the % rate projected by
> AIrtel. Are we ready ?
>
> >
>
>
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> 3.
>
>
>
> Fw: Rule-8/Spouse Case Transfer
>
> Posted by:
> "Sandhya Banoth"
> sandhya.banoth@
>
>
> sandhya.banoth
>
>
>
> Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:58 pm (PDT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I want to Know ..
>
> Who are eligible for the Rule -8 Transfer ?Is it linked to
> any kind of service condition/experienc e?(As i have
> completed 10-12 Months as TTA).As in the Transfer Policy
> nothing like that mentioned.
>
> also
>
> How to proceed with the Spouse Case Transfer under Special
> Provision ...Will it be applicable to all kind of Employees
> or Not??as my spouse working with other PSU.
>
>
>
> As per Ministry of Personnel or Transfer Ploicy ..The
> working Husband and Wife to be get posted at the same place
> of posting to lead their Normal Life and to look after their
> childrens.
>
>
>
> So Pls suggest which is the appropriate manner to get the
> Transfer.
>
>
>
> Pls Reply with Better/Feasible Solution..Awaiting your
> Response.
>
>
>
> Thanking You,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> 4a.
>
>
>
> Re: BE SERIOUS THINK IT
>
> Posted by:
> "abhilash v"
> abhilash_ok@
>
>
> abhilash_ok
>
>
>
> Tue Aug 4, 2009 12:10 am (PDT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Gireesh,
>
> We are just around 10000 among the 3 lakh employees. The
> lack of number is our main blocking factor. If the same
> people again divides into old and new, B.Tech and Diploma
> Soth and North etc. then we cannot achieve anything. The
> delay in formation of SNATTA was due to the indifference
> between B.Techs & Diplomas.Don' t try to go kick
> our association years back. Immature thought brings failure
> only. There is no logic in demanding blindly. We should have
> some solid proof. As per the DPE guide lines we can demand
> for five year service condition only. But citing the
> management trainee RR we can demand 4 year in future. We
> failed to get even 7 years.Then how it is possible to get
> two or zero service condition
>
> yours
>
> abhilash
>
> cc,kerala
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/8/09, Gireesh Kumar <gireesh.klm@
> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Gireesh Kumar <gireesh.klm@
> gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] BE SERIOUS THINK IT
>
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups
> .com
>
> Date: Saturday, 1 August, 2009, 10:12 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Friend..
>
>
>
> Do you mean that SNATTA should stand in favour of 2001
> batch TTAs only. Who else will speek for others from 2002 to
> 2008. SNATTA should try its best to reduce the service
> condition for departmental JTO exam as follows.
>
>
>
> 1) Five Years Experience as TTA in BSNL
>
>
>
> OR
>
>
>
> 2)Two Years Experience as TTA in BSNL with B.Tech or AMIE
>
>
>
> Pls Give Your Comment.....
>
>
>
>
>
> Gireesh Kumar M
>
> BSNL, TVM SSA
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> 5.
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>
>
> Help from sahajanpur ..reg Broad Band NTC
>
> Posted by:
> "PRADEEP KUMAR"
> meet2pk@yahoo.
>
>
> meet2pk
>
>
>
> Tue Aug 4, 2009 12:14 am (PDT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,I'm
>
> PRADEEP KUMAR TTA PCM Mahanagar Lucknow (0522-2065611) ,Is
> there any one from Sahajanpur SSA who can help my friend for
> having NTC BB connection at Sahajanpur city.
>
> Thank You.
>
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> 6.
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>
>
> (no subject)
>
> Posted by:
> "abhilash v"
> abhilash_ok@
>
>
> abhilash_ok
>
>
>
> Tue Aug 4, 2009 3:28 am (PDT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I agree with other CCs/CSs. It will not be a wise move to
> withdraw from UF now. It will be helpful for BSNLEU to avoid
> us completely. Now we have one representative in wage
> revision. We will lose it if we withdraw the support now.
> Our representative should be there when the new pay scales
> are decided. So at least support the UF at the end of wage
> revision.
>
> But sitting idle by obeying BSNLEU's decisions is also
> not good. So we should use the strike for expressing our
> unrest. They have not included a single issue of DRTTAs in
> the coming strike even after our repeated requests. At the
> same time they have included casual workers demands as a
> part of CITU/CPM agenda. We should not participate in the
> coming strike. It will be very easy to implement it because
> all the 2008 batch TTAs may not be ready to go for a strike.
> All of us can take mass C/L on 18th Aug when the AIGETOA
> starts their indefinite strike. They have raised the demand
> of our service condition reduction. So it is our duty to
> give moral support to them. However if BSNLEU includes our
> demands as a supplementary item in the strike notice then we
> can participate in the strike.
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> Anyway I don't
> think the BSNLEU will implement the agreement that they
> signed with us during the election. But we had given them
> one year time for implementing it. So give them just one
> year. After that we should withdraw the support. Then all
> the DRTTAs should resign from BSNLEU. But it is not an easy
> task. We should campaign well among the TTAs. Some materials
> should be prepared to explore the BSNLEU and should be
> distributed among all the TTAs. I am ready to prepare such
> materials/documents . I am confident that after reading it
> nobody will stay in BSNLEU.
>
> We should continue our fight even if we are alone. At least
> our juniors should be benefited. Definitely we should do our
> revenge in the future. We should block their IDA pension.
> For giving them pension BSNL is depositing around 30% of
> their salary. BSNL cannot afford such a burden. Definitely
> we should file a petition in CAT against the time bound
> promotion policy and against pre-qualifying exam for TTA
> promotion which is against the recruitment rule.
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> Joining in
> Workerse Alliance will make the matters worse. The FNTO and
> officiating JTOs in the NFTE are waiting for our blood. We
> may consider another agreement with them only at the time of
> next verification.
>
> Court cases
> seems to be the only options. For that we need fund. We may
> start an open fund collection. Individuals may be permitted
> to deposit any amount of money directly. There will be many
> people who have faith in our leaders and will donate more
> than thousand.
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> Yours
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> Abhilash
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