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1a. Fw: Re: [tta5year] please don't go to the court
From: lalit singh
1b. Re: Fw: Re: [tta5year] please don't go to the court
From: Sandip Solanki
2. Fw: old CAT decision...Diversion of posts
From: surinder mittal
3. Fw: imp decisions....9417583939
From: surinder mittal
4a. jto-lice,Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
From: Ttagzp Up
4b. Re: jto-lice,Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
From: Sandip Solanki
5. Rate Revision & Reimbursement for staff amenities Articles- CGMT off
From: Yasin Sindhi
6. Fw: JTO related Letter...@ 9417583939
From: surinder mittal
7a. Fw: Re: [TTABSNL] STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
From: rajeshsekharc
7b. Fw: Re: [TTABSNL] STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
From: Thirumal Pratap
8. think about that you are in the position of compleated 7 years yo
From: kishore
9a. Re: STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
From: lalit singh
9b. Re: STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
From: A.K.Pandey
10a. Re: WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
From: Deepak Kumar
10b. Re: WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
From: polavarapu ranganath
10c. WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
From: appu appu
10d. Re: WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
From: Sandip Solanki
11a. Re: Fw: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
From: Gaurav Singh
12a. Reasons to smile !!!!
From: mukesh vaghela
12b. Re: Reasons to smile !!!!
From: G S Rajawat
13a. jto exam
From: vaishakh soni
14a. Re: jto lice exam........
From: lalit singh
14b. Re: jto lice exam........
From: polavarapu ranganath
15. JTO LICE EXAM- A RATIONAL APPROACH
From: shamsul huda
16. Fw: jto lice
From: LALUNAIK Nenavath
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1a. Fw: Re: [tta5year] please don't go to the court
Posted by: "lalit singh" lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk lalitbsingh
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:55 am ((PST))
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [tta5year] please don't go to the court
To: tta5year@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 12:58
dear deepak ji
Why u tink that chq will be a hurdle for the eligible candidates. think if chq will not file a court case what will happen a lot of court cases in different courts across india and the situation become worst because ineligible candidates across india will not sit silently and will be the moock spectetor. if chq will file a court case it will protect many court cases and ultimately if chq will find in future that they will not be able to make ineligible to eligible they can roll back but personnal court cases can not be taken back. at least pl give some short support for some short time to ineligible also.
regards
lalit singh
cs up(e)
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>
Subject: [tta5year] please don't go to the court
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Cc: tta5year@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 8:14
hi i request the chq to again think over on going to the court.
First of all, what is the basis of going to the court?court will not grant u the 2yrs relaxations. the only basis is the recruitment year. but on the same recruitment exam people have joined till 2007 against reserved quota and wait lists. The promotion procedure of the various departments where promotions r done annually like banks and other psu should be examined that they r following the crucial date or not.
Because going to the court to only stay the proceedings and linger it to another two years so as to make the all the non eligible eligible will be a CRIME against the eligible
candidates.
Till now every one has prayed for the two years relaxation. Management has given their words for the same. if this exam is not conducted now it will be too late as every one is known of the attitude of NFTE towards this exam.
NOW FOR THE SAKE OF THE UNITY
IT IS CERTAIN THAT THE ELIGIBLE CANDIDATES R GOING TO BE HAVE A CHANCE FOR THEIR PROMOTION FOR WHICH SNATTA FIGHTING FROM THE DAY ONE,IF NO COURT CASE IS DONE.
GOING TO THE COURT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THE ELIGIBILITY FOR NOT ELIGIBLE TO MAKE IT ELIGIBLE BUT GUARANTEES TO MAKE 7YEARS TO 10 YEARS.
THERE IS SHLOKA IN SANSKRIT WHICH MEANS THAT IF ONE GOES TO UNCERTAIN LEAVING THE CERTAIN FOR THEM UNCERTAIN IS UNCERTAIN AND CERTAIN TOO BECOME UNCERTAIN.
AS IT IS CERTAIN THAT THE
LEFT OUT CANDIDATES R ELIGIBLE FOR THE NEXT EXAM IF THIS EXAM HELD WITHOUT HINDRANCE, BUT IF IT STOPS THAN GOD KNOWS HOW MANY COURT CASE IT WILL FACE.
REGARDSDeepak Kumar9431610399
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1b. Re: Fw: Re: [tta5year] please don't go to the court
Posted by: "Sandip Solanki" sandip4net@yahoo.co.in sandip4net
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:59 am ((PST))
Yes dear Lalit,
I was in favour of filing court case from CHQ. But Manish himself has prepared to file a case from MP parallely. How can it guarentee that there will be no case from any other Circle ? All are now being personal. Otherwise no one would doubt the integrety of our senior leaders at Delhi on 07.02.2010.
They have suggested so because they are already passed from these Court Cases. If Dhiraj and Pradip were not dedicatedly involved in Chandigarh Court Case, nothing would happen and no question of Eligible and Non-eligible would be there.
This�is like "Apne pair par Kulhadi Marna ". If we will not file case, Seniors would file case. Dear " Koi hamare pair par Kulhadi marne wala ho to uska matlab yeh nahi ke hum khud hi mar le. "
Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [TTABSNL] Fw: Re: [tta5year] please don't go to the court
To: "TTABSNL" <ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 1:00 PM
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, lalit singh <lalitbsingh@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [tta5year] please don't go to the court
To: tta5year@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 12:58
dear deepak ji
Why u tink that chq will be a hurdle for the eligible candidates. think if chq will not file a court case what will happen a lot of court cases in different courts across india and the situation become worst because ineligible candidates across india will not sit silently and will be the moock spectetor. if chq will file a court case it will protect many court cases and ultimately if chq will find in future that they will not be able to make ineligible to eligible they can roll back but personnal court cases can not be taken back. at least pl give some short support for some short time to ineligible also.
regards
lalit singh
cs up(e)
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [tta5year] please don't go to the court
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Cc: tta5year@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 8:14
hi
i request the chq to again think over on going to the court.
First of all, what is the basis of going to the court?
court will not grant u the 2yrs relaxations. the only basis is the recruitment year. but on the same recruitment exam people have joined till 2007 against reserved quota and wait lists. The promotion procedure of the various departments where promotions r done annually like banks and other psu should be examined that they r following the crucial date or not.
Because going to the court to only stay the proceedings and linger it to another two years so as to make the all the non eligible eligible will be a CRIME against the eligible candidates.
Till now every one has prayed for the two years relaxation. Management has given their words for the same. if this exam is not conducted now it will be too late as every one is known of the attitude of NFTE towards this exam.
NOW FOR THE SAKE OF THE UNITY
IT IS CERTAIN THAT THE ELIGIBLE CANDIDATES R GOING TO BE HAVE A CHANCE FOR THEIR PROMOTION FOR WHICH SNATTA FIGHTING FROM THE DAY ONE,IF NO COURT CASE IS DONE.
GOING TO THE COURT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THE ELIGIBILITY FOR NOT ELIGIBLE TO MAKE IT ELIGIBLE BUT GUARANTEES TO MAKE 7YEARS TO 10 YEARS.
THERE IS SHLOKA IN SANSKRIT WHICH MEANS THAT IF ONE GOES TO UNCERTAIN LEAVING THE CERTAIN FOR THEM UNCERTAIN IS UNCERTAIN AND CERTAIN TOO BECOME UNCERTAIN.
AS IT IS CERTAIN THAT THE LEFT OUT CANDIDATES R ELIGIBLE FOR THE NEXT EXAM IF THIS EXAM HELD WITHOUT HINDRANCE, BUT IF IT STOPS THAN GOD KNOWS HOW MANY COURT CASE IT WILL FACE.
REGARDS
Deepak Kumar
9431610399
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2. Fw: old CAT decision...Diversion of posts
Posted by: "surinder mittal" mittals3_surinder@yahoo.com mittals3_surinder
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:42 am ((PST))
--- On Thu, 11/2/10, s. mittal <mittals3@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Subject: old CAT decision...Diversion of posts
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3. Fw: imp decisions....9417583939
Posted by: "surinder mittal" mittals3_surinder@yahoo.com mittals3_surinder
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:45 am ((PST))
--- On Fri, 12/2/10, s. mittal <mittals3@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: s. mittal <mittals3@yahoo.com>
> Subject: imp decisions....9417583939
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> Date: Friday, 12 February, 2010, 4:09 AM
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> court said that if
> BSNL says that it cannot grant study leaves due to shot fall
> of technical staff, then what is the meaning to the
> constitution of the subject "Study
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> been discussed by DoT to BSNL through the CAT Chandigarh
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> Departmental Policy Matter (not a timely matter for a year
> or two). it cant be stopped unless CAT Chandigarh bench had
> given the stoppage decision for the diversion of the said
> posts.
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4a. jto-lice,Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
Posted by: "Ttagzp Up" ttagzp@yahoo.com ttagzp
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:47 am ((PST))
--o,dear
you are not thinking about your 16 friends who are not eligible.you should not think such type.it is easy to break rather then construct.snatta is the result of hard work by our very very sweet
beloved and perhaps great leader like dhiraj ,chandan samal and some other.if there is injustice for any tta snatta will raise the isue.this is not plateform to compelete selfishness.
and my dear friends if by chance you donot get sucess in lice then again you will remeber
unity of snatta.
but that time it may be too late. good bye
NARAYAN RAI
9451343700 UPEAST
- On Wed, 2/17/10, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:12 AM
Dear Santosh,
I understand that Zuber might not know a particular person.
But any logic fails to explain the filing of court case. If one says that the petitioners are asking for only eligibility and not for stay then why the management stayed the MT examm. MT exam petiotioners have also asked for only eligiblity. Management stopped the exam because they can't decide on conducting the exam beacuse due to court cases their situation is now in dilemma. Suppose the exam is conduted and say x number of vacancies are available. now courts have directed to declare the result of the candiates who are eligible and hold back the result of the candidates who are petiotiones. There result will be declared say after 3 years if they win the court case. Now if all the x seats were filled up by the eligible candidates then what will happen to these petiotioners. Management thus have no otion other than staying the JTO exam on this filmsy ground. Otherwise there is no other reason to hold back the MT exam.
The person in quetion has already been told by his lawyer that it will take atleast 2 years in Court Case. What is the logic behind Court Case then ?
Talking about Drawing Lines.... What if the person says " G.S. and Ex-G.S. and Treasurer are ELIGIBLES and I am not eligible.... .. " what does it mean ? Not drawing lines ? Do you know that the main petitioner in the Supereme Court and Chandigarh High Court case of diversion has become DRJTO by his hard work. You are raising finger at him. Is this your integrity or your selfishness?
This is the time when Leaders should think like LEADERS and not like PERSON. The Court Case will affect the SOLE AIM OF SNATTA.
Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 8:13 AM
In that case Zuber you dont know what person Manish is. Pls dont question the integrity of a person like Manish.
And let us not draw line between eligible and non-eligible. Lets us try that all the mates are able to appear in the exam
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970.
From: MohammedZuber Sheikh <mgs_zuber197@ yahoo.co. in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 10:24:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
BE ALERT
If Non eligibility happened in case of any other TTA instead of president Manish Samadhya Should the Court Case be filed by SNATTA,CHQ ? THINK IT THOUROUGHLY & Give Answers to your heart.
This COurt case is like a hurdle to our Career growth. SO Please Oppose it From the HEART.
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4b. Re: jto-lice,Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
Posted by: "Sandip Solanki" sandip4net@yahoo.co.in sandip4net
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:25 pm ((PST))
Yes dear,
Here where You people misunderstood...
I am in very much consult of my 16 people. And that is why I am opposing Court Case. We have met an Experienced CAT Lawyer ( Consultant of ITSs in Gujarat ). All our people are not in favour of Court Case ( including those ineligible 16 ).
The thing is that if you oppose the court case that is taken for granted that you are not thinking of ineligibles. This is wrong.
The Court Case is not the solution as it will not give result early and it will be ultimately 10 years service condition. Then what is the meaning of CONSTRUCTING SNATTA in 2004 and we the witness of Progress of SNATTA are hurt seeing these things...
Think of Solutions only..
It is absurd to say that if you don't get tp eat then others should also fast. This is not like samudramanthan. In Samudramanthan Poison was gulped by Lord Shiva and others took amrit. In this situation our national leader should have been like Lord Shiva instead he is making sure that all os us should take Poison only.
Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Ttagzp Up <ttagzp@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Ttagzp Up <ttagzp@yahoo.com>
Subject: jto-lice,Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Cc: SNATTACHQ@GMIL.COM
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 5:41 PM
--o,dear
you are not thinking about your 16 friends who are not eligible.you should not think such type.it is easy to break rather then construct.snatta is the result of hard work by our very very sweet
beloved and perhaps great leader like dhiraj ,chandan samal and some other.if there is injustice for any tta snatta will raise the isue.this is not plateform to compelete selfishness.
and my dear friends if by chance you donot get sucess in lice then again you will remeber
unity of snatta.
but that time it may be too late. good bye
NARAYAN RAI
9451343700 UPEAST
- On Wed, 2/17/10, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:12 AM
Dear Santosh,
I understand that Zuber might not know a particular person.
But any logic fails to explain the filing of court case. If one says that the petitioners are asking for only eligibility and not for stay then why the management stayed the MT examm. MT exam petiotioners have also asked for only eligiblity. Management stopped the exam because they can't decide on conducting the exam beacuse due to court cases their situation is now in dilemma. Suppose the exam is conduted and say x number of vacancies are available. now courts have directed to declare the result of the candiates who are eligible and hold back the result of the candidates who are petiotiones. There result will be declared say after 3 years if they win the court case. Now if all the x seats were filled up by the eligible candidates then what will happen to these petiotioners. Management thus have no otion other than staying the JTO exam on this filmsy ground. Otherwise there is no other reason to hold back the MT exam.
The person in quetion has already been told by his lawyer that it will take atleast 2 years in Court Case. What is the logic behind Court Case then ?
Talking about Drawing Lines.... What if the person says " G.S. and Ex-G.S. and Treasurer are ELIGIBLES and I am not eligible.... .. " what does it mean ? Not drawing lines ? Do you know that the main petitioner in the Supereme Court and Chandigarh High Court case of diversion has become DRJTO by his hard work. You are raising finger at him. Is this your integrity or your selfishness?
This is the time when Leaders should think like LEADERS and not like PERSON. The Court Case will affect the SOLE AIM OF SNATTA.
Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 8:13 AM
In that case Zuber you dont know what person Manish is. Pls dont question the integrity of a person like Manish.
And let us not draw line between eligible and non-eligible. Lets us try that all the mates are able to appear in the exam
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970.
From: MohammedZuber Sheikh <mgs_zuber197@ yahoo.co. in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 10:24:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
BE ALERT
If Non eligibility happened in case of any other TTA instead of president Manish Samadhya Should the Court Case be filed by SNATTA,CHQ ? THINK IT THOUROUGHLY & Give Answers to your heart.
This COurt case is like a hurdle to our Career growth. SO Please Oppose it From the HEART.
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5. Rate Revision & Reimbursement for staff amenities Articles- CGMT off
Posted by: "Yasin Sindhi" ygsindhi_mln@yahoo.co.in ygsindhi_mln
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:48 am ((PST))
Rate Revision & Reimbursement for staff amenities Articles- CGMT office Letter follow the link as per follows for letter
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6. Fw: JTO related Letter...@ 9417583939
Posted by: "surinder mittal" mittals3_surinder@yahoo.com mittals3_surinder
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:50 am ((PST))
--- On Sat, 6/2/10, s. mittal <mittals3@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: s. mittal <mittals3@yahoo.com>
> Subject: JTO related Letter...@ 9417583939
> To: "vishnu goyal" <goyalvishnu_2000@yahoo.co.in>, mittals3_surinder@yahoo.com, jatinder261@gmail.com, sandeep_bsnl123@yahoo.com, jyoti786@rediffmail.com, mathavakutti@yahoo.com, tejas_tadsare@yahoo.co.uk, ak_hello@yahoo.co.in, shailesh_dhande@rediffmail.com, maansaha@yahoo.com, sonalmalviya_12@yahoo.com, naresh1654_bgarh@yahoo.co.in, dev_c2000@yahoo.com, nk28ahuja@yahoo.com, vikasknl1976@yahoo.co.in, atulknl1978@yahoo.com, ashish.pandey@rptechindia.com, naveen.mehta@ambujacement.com, dineshbhutani@rediffmail.com, bbba_yamc001@sify.com, sanjaybhatiya999@hotmail.com, rehalchetan@gmail.com, cmb2283344@gmail.com, amritrajsharmag@gmail.com, javed06@gmail.com, vkathuria@rediffmail.com, parveenghai@gmail.com, parveenpruthiom@gmail.com, asiyana23@gmail.com, bpskkp@yahoo.co.in, shailly1979@gmail.com, dev2006@gmail.com, sandipkmodi@rediffmail.com, sonalmalviya12@gmail.com, rajendrabsnl@yahoo.co.in, sidheshgauns@yahoo.com, jtocc@rediffmail.com, email13@gmail.com
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7a. Fw: Re: [TTABSNL] STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
Posted by: "rajeshsekharc" rajeshsekharc@yahoo.co.in rajeshsekharc
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:52 am ((PST))
Daer Sampad,
Your arguement is fine. But lacking some other informations.
1.As per the current rect rule, maximum age is calculated as on the date of examination,then why not the service year? Service year is determined for assuring enough experience in the field.
2. In all circles TTA exam was notified on 2001.(may be even on 2000 because,in kerale notification was on 2000)But training started on 2003 last. Who is responsible for this delay?
Above all, my dear friend, It is embarassing to hear that you still believe in BSNL management even after the diversion issues!!!!!! They conducting this examination only to get permission from the court to restrart JTO outside examination.
The JTO LICE may stop even if we dont file any case , because seniors are trying hard to stop this examination
It is also heard that union is also trying for 5 year relaxation with qualification relaxation , that means a senior TOA with any degree can appear in JTO exam!!!!
NOW YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THE STORY U TOLD
-- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, lalit singh <lalitbsingh@...> wrote:
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> Â Very good example given by u but think if u people come forward for those ineligible majority snattaians and not to be so selfish then i think the story will not be repeated here other wise only god knows what will be happen with this cadre as only ineligiable are not the hurdle and they are only trying for the appearence but think about other hurdle like adhoc jto who will not sit silently and see their carrier spoiling.
> Regards
> lalit singh
> cs up(e)Â
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> --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@...> wrote:
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> From: Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@...>
> Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 16
> February, 2010, 17:19
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> Dear Sampad,
> Nice to read ur mail. Whatever u r saying thats correct , but , if a stay is asked for only then.
> Let me tell you my dear friend that nobody is opting for a stay. What we want is that all should be allowed
> to atleast appear in the exam. We all have been recruited in the organisation against the same recruitment year. What change the date of joining is the way the procedure was handled by the particular circles/SSAs.
> Some were fast and some slow, coz of which ur and mine joining dates are not same. So for the organisations mistake why should non eligible TTAs lose. Can the management assure with the next exam date? Will it conduct the exam at the earliest? How many vacancies do u expect to be left for non-eligible TTAs . Lets not forget that other than DR also there are other candidates who are eligible for the exam.
> Lets be fair. Ofcourse stay should not be asked for , and nobody is going to do that, but let us make all our friends appear the exam.
> Â
> regards,
> Â Santosh J. Devadiga.
> TTA CDMA MSC,
> Nasik.
> 9422268970.
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> From: sampad_swain2002 <sampad_swain2002@ yahoo.co. in>
> To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Mon, 15 February, 2010 9:58:41 PM
> Subject: [TTABSNL] STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
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> How Filing a court case for JTO LICE will become a Boomerang decision for all the TTAs.
>
> - It is high time that we should take our decisions very cautiously & patiently with using our intelligence.
> - Any marginal error at this niche of time will pull us back again from where we have started our long marathon journey.
> - Just learn a lesson from the story of two dogs fighting for a loaf of bread thrown to them. At last not only none of them failed to eat that but also lost their blood by hurting each other & a third person (monkey) was taken away that bread.
> - Moral of the above story can be easily understood by everybody.
> - Most vital points we should not forget
> • Some body is waiting for this type of mistake from our side.
> • MT exam postponed due to the various court cases.Every case was there to make the petitioners eligible for the exam subject to the outcome of judgment still the exam was postponed.
> - We know
> very well that BSNL management is going to conduct this exam forcefully though management has shown his initial hindrance by not stopping the diversion procedure & also very unwilling to reduce the service condition to 7 years.
> - If at this time falling under a greed of more & more we will do the court case then there is no doubt that BSNL management & the diversion beneficiaries will take the undue advantages out of that.
>
> IMPORTANT- If the court case will result the most expected STAY,then
> it will prove to be as a curse upon those Sr. Dr.TTAs who
> are fighting for this cause from last 7 years and going to
> compete about 8 years.
>
> SAMPAD KUMAR SWAIN
> TTA AXE-10 L-1 TAX CUTTACK
> 09437066577
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7b. Fw: Re: [TTABSNL] STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
Posted by: "Thirumal Pratap" thiru_be19@yahoo.com thiru_be19
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:30 am ((PST))
DEAR FRIENDS,
ALL OUR FRIENDS LOOKING FOR ELIGILBILITY OF JTO LDCE.IF ANY ONE FILED THE CASE IN COURT,DEFINITELY THE RESULT WILL BE NEGATIVE FOR ALL.THIS MAY RESULT IN SPLIT OF DRTTAS.I SUGGEST MANISH TO STOP THIS.THE MANAGEMENT REDUCED SERVICE CONDITION FROM 10 YEARS TO 7 YEARS ITSELF A BIG ACHIEVEMENT.I REQUEST ALL DRTTAS SHOULD APPROACH THE MANAGEMENT FOR REDUCTION OF SERVICE.
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Posted by: "kishore" kishore_manchala@yahoo.co.in kishore_manchala
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:45 pm ((PST))
think about that you are in the position of compleated 7 years
you will feel gilty. snatta is the union for obtaining our demands from management not pushing back,next you will be JTO .DON'T DO LIKE PULLING BACK THE CONDUCTING THE EXAM OF JTO LDCE
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9a. Re: STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
Posted by: "lalit singh" lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk lalitbsingh
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:39 pm ((PST))
Dear sampad
Very good example given by u but think if u people come forward for those ineligible majority snattaians and not to be so selfish then i think the story will not be repeated here other wise only god knows what will be happen with this cadre as only ineligiable are not the hurdle and they are only trying for the appearence but think about other hurdle like adhoc jto who will not sit silently and see their carrier spoiling.
Regards
lalit singh
cs up(e)
--- On Tue, 16/2/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 17:19
Dear Sampad,
Nice to read ur mail. Whatever u r saying thats correct , but , if a stay is asked for only then.
Let me tell you my dear friend that nobody is opting for a stay. What we want is that all should be allowed
to atleast appear in the exam. We all have been recruited in the organisation against the same recruitment year. What change the date of joining is the way the procedure was handled by the particular circles/SSAs.
Some were fast and some slow, coz of which ur and mine joining dates are not same. So for the organisations mistake why should non eligible TTAs lose. Can the management assure with the next exam date? Will it conduct the exam at the earliest? How many vacancies do u expect to be left for non-eligible TTAs . Lets not forget that other than DR also there are other candidates who are eligible for the exam.
Lets be fair. Ofcourse stay should not be asked for , and nobody is going to do that, but let us make all our friends appear the exam.
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
TTA CDMA MSC,
Nasik.
9422268970.
From: sampad_swain2002 <sampad_swain2002@ yahoo.co. in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, 15 February, 2010 9:58:41 PM
Subject: [TTABSNL] STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
How Filing a court case for JTO LICE will become a Boomerang decision for all the TTAs.
- It is high time that we should take our decisions very cautiously & patiently with using our intelligence.
- Any marginal error at this niche of time will pull us back again from where we have started our long marathon journey.
- Just learn a lesson from the story of two dogs fighting for a loaf of bread thrown to them. At last not only none of them failed to eat that but also lost their blood by hurting each other & a third person (monkey) was taken away that bread.
- Moral of the above story can be easily understood by everybody.
- Most vital points we should not forget
• Some body is waiting for this type of mistake from our side.
• MT exam postponed due to the various court cases.Every case was there to make the petitioners eligible for the exam subject to the outcome of judgment still the exam was postponed.
- We know
very well that BSNL management is going to conduct this exam forcefully though management has shown his initial hindrance by not stopping the diversion procedure & also very unwilling to reduce the service condition to 7 years.
- If at this time falling under a greed of more & more we will do the court case then there is no doubt that BSNL management & the diversion beneficiaries will take the undue advantages out of that.
IMPORTANT- If the court case will result the most expected STAY,then
it will prove to be as a curse upon those Sr. Dr.TTAs who
are fighting for this cause from last 7 years and going to
compete about 8 years.
SAMPAD KUMAR SWAIN
TTA AXE-10 L-1 TAX CUTTACK
09437066577
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9b. Re: STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
Posted by: "A.K.Pandey" akpforms@yahoo.co.uk akpforms
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:54 pm ((PST))
Dear friends,
Going through various emails, it looks like a " SANGRAM CHIDA HAIN Non Eligible and Eligibile Snattians Mein, which is not at all Healthy for all " , i do suggest few things below which UNDESIRED AT THIS TIME but i think it is right time to say , that we all agree
1. No snattian should go for STAY for LICE JTO Examination and No body i think is planning.
2. Each circle should go for their respective CAT only for Eligibility, not for cut off date (It will be selfwishness in respect for rest TTAs who are not Eligible) as there is a constitutional provision " If ANY JUNIOR IS ELIGIBLE FOR ANY LICE EXAMINATION THEN SENIORS ARE ALREADY ALLOWED AND MAX RELAXATION CAN BE DONE BY TWO YEARS". As we all know that our seniority in SSAs is decided by who scored in higher marks in particular batch of recruitment year rather than who get training first or who joined first in SSA . This is most valid ground where Ineligible TTAs will get PROVISIONAL Permission for examination , result may be awaited till FINAL DECISION COMES.
In this case noone is going to loose whether Eligible or Non Eligible. Try maxamium Juniors to file the examination forms no one should left.
3. Other factor must be produced to CAT like in JAO Examination which held hardly three month ago , mgmt provide both side five year relaxation then through COURT it may asked why not this time for 2 year relaxation single side only.
JUSTICE in INDIA generally comes late so it is the problem of lenghty procedures of court not the employees so LICE Conduction should continue with all eligible and noneligible TTAs of same Batch, No one should remark personally BECAUSE THIS IS PAIN OF PERSONS STAND UP ONE SIDE OF TABLE & REST OF AT THE OTHER SIDE. Cheer Up Guys and Every one should busy in Exam , no one is thinking seriously about exam which is also most critical.
A.K.Pandey
TTA- Sawai Madhopur(Raj.)
--- On Tue, 16/2/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 17:19
Dear Sampad,
Nice to read ur mail. Whatever u r saying thats correct , but , if a stay is asked for only then.
Let me tell you my dear friend that nobody is opting for a stay. What we want is that all should be allowed
to atleast appear in the exam. We all have been recruited in the organisation against the same recruitment year. What change the date of joining is the way the procedure was handled by the particular circles/SSAs.
Some were fast and some slow, coz of which ur and mine joining dates are not same. So for the organisations mistake why should non eligible TTAs lose. Can the management assure with the next exam date? Will it conduct the exam at the earliest? How many vacancies do u expect to be left for non-eligible TTAs . Lets not forget that other than DR also there are other candidates who are eligible for the exam.
Lets be fair. Ofcourse stay should not be asked for , and nobody is going to do that, but let us make all our friends appear the exam.
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
TTA CDMA MSC,
Nasik.
9422268970.
From: sampad_swain2002 <sampad_swain2002@ yahoo.co. in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, 15 February, 2010 9:58:41 PM
Subject: [TTABSNL] STAY AWAY FROM COMMITTING A HISTORICAL BLUNDER
How Filing a court case for JTO LICE will become a Boomerang decision for all the TTAs.
- It is high time that we should take our decisions very cautiously & patiently with using our intelligence.
- Any marginal error at this niche of time will pull us back again from where we have started our long marathon journey.
- Just learn a lesson from the story of two dogs fighting for a loaf of bread thrown to them. At last not only none of them failed to eat that but also lost their blood by hurting each other & a third person (monkey) was taken away that bread.
- Moral of the above story can be easily understood by everybody.
- Most vital points we should not forget
• Some body is waiting for this type of mistake from our side.
• MT exam postponed due to the various court cases.Every case was there to make the petitioners eligible for the exam subject to the outcome of judgment still the exam was postponed.
- We know very well that BSNL management is going to conduct this exam forcefully though management has shown his initial hindrance by not stopping the diversion procedure & also very unwilling to reduce the service condition to 7 years.
- If at this time falling under a greed of more & more we will do the court case then there is no doubt that BSNL management & the diversion beneficiaries will take the undue advantages out of that.
IMPORTANT- If the court case will result the most expected STAY,then
it will prove to be as a curse upon those Sr. Dr.TTAs who
are fighting for this cause from last 7 years and going to
compete about 8 years.
SAMPAD KUMAR SWAIN
TTA AXE-10 L-1 TAX CUTTACK
09437066577
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10a. Re: WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
Posted by: "Deepak Kumar" deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com deepak_bsnlktr
Date: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:45 pm ((PST))
Dear Lalit ji
The case of diversion quota can not be compared with our case. As it had blocked our career till 2014. And they were promoted against subsequent internal quota which was illegal as per court orders too.
Dear first of all just clear the basis of going to the court. We r hearing from every corner that we will go to court but on what ground no one is telling. As I have contacted my legal friend on this issue, they r saying there in not any ground it will just linger the issue.
I think u and some other people r thinking emotionally on this issue. Just think after the court case what will happen, who will be benefited, who will lose, all things in totality.
Dear as far as selfishness is concerned the same may be said to u too, as we r not doing any thing against u but u r intended to pull our legs.
And in your other mail u have appealed for our support. Does our support guarantees ur success?
But ur support guarantees ours.
with best wishes
Deepak Kumar
9431610399
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From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 10:40:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
Sir
The same question arises when snatta file a court case against diversion and that time no one come farword to say so because at that time these guys were in the list of ineligible candidates and at that time these people were contributing for the courtcase and etc with present ineligible candidates. Friends now u r saying that the processes must go but at that time management were wrong. Since the formation of bsnl its the first time that management is going to conduct the exam because of the cat decision not on its own or bsnleu or snatta and it is also very clear that after this exam in a lot of circle there will be no vacency for the next exam and without vacency how dir(hr) will be able to conduct the exam.
It is also very clear that adhoc jtos will not sit silently and will also take some steps for their rights so ultimately it is better that we should fight unitedly for the 5 year eligibility which was the sole objectives of the snatta at the time of formation of snatta and if management can change the service condition from 10 year to 7 year after filing the affidavit in cat and dir(hr) have some soft corner for the dr ttas then why he can not change this service condition to 5 year.
Friend give a second thought to your logics as when we applied for the same post in the same year and the recruitment year is same but because of the management working only few candidates got early posting and rest were faced the pain of unemployed no one come forward and now if they are taking some steps to safe guard their own rights u people talking selfishly without considering that what ever the snatta is going to do is better for the majority of the snattaians.
regards
lalit singh
cs up(e)
--- On Tue, 16/2/10, G S Rajawat <gcsrajawat@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
>From: G S Rajawat <gcsrajawat@yahoo. co.in>
>Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
>Date: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 18:15
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>Hello friends
>I am fully agreed with Mr Sandeep
>solanki…. This legal way makes the whole process so much difficult that nobody
>get benefited at all… every court case in history show that it linger the
>process… and we cant hope for the better in coming 3-4 years…. And those who
>are this time not eligible for the exams are automatically eligible for the exams
>and at that time they have not found them slave to fight the exams as at time
>some other cadre like TM who is BSC or MSC may go the CAT/./////and the process
>is again linger on… I mean to say If management already said that they are
>planning for the service condition for 5 year than for whom we are fighting…
>why we are ruin our future aspect and to whom we are fighting…..
>I am totally disagree with the CHQ
>decision.. I am against the case. Some time later management may say that only
>BE people are allowed to fight…..or some other issue...
>
>I am here on this platform want to
>say that we are stand here and every time the scenario is changed.. and at that
>time we missed this opportunity.
>
>So think calmly and not go for the
>case.
>This makes the whole process so much
>idle that we found this no more useful at time.
>.
>And one thing more that in next
>exams when management reduced the 5 years ….at that time people who are less
>than 5 years service may beg to reduced the same thing.. oh shit…again
>ridiculous….
>We are most educated and most learnt
>people in group C & D than we should behave like this..
>Rest is up to you…but if the court
>case make the hindrance in the way of eligible ones….than its not tolerated at
>all…. We already found ourselves so much vanished than why we take so step.
>Think again.
>Best of luck.
>
>Regards:-
>G S Rajawat
>B S N L ,Tonk, Rajasthan
>INDIA 304021
>Cell +91-9413424883
>gcsrajawat@yahoo. co.in
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>--- On Tue, 16/2/10, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
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>>From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
>>Subject: [TTABSNL] WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
>>To: "Group" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com>
>>Date: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 5:01 PM
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>>I appeal all DRTTAs to see in the matter seriously. We will not let this chance go away.
>>>>Dear CHQ,
>>>>I hereby draw your attention to following points in regard to JTO-LICE :
>>>>1. It is to be conducted first time for DRTTAs.
>>>>2. It is the sole aim of SNATTA to remove the hurdle in the career progression of DR-TTAs.
>>>>3. It is the case where more than 1300 TTAs are eligible to give the exam.
>>>>Now regarding the court case :
>>>>1. The Lawyers are saying that it will take minimum 2 to 3 years in judgement. Then what is the meaning of Court case ? During these two years all non-eligibles will be eligible with no modification in RR also.
>>>>3. If because of court case, exam will be held then what about the eligibles ? why should they suffer more 2-3 years ?
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>>>>Dir (HR) has principally agreed to permanently reduce the service condition to 5 years in presence of our President and G.S. on 08.02.2010. He also agreed to take the exam immediately after this exam is completed. The argument that this exam will be last and there will no no other exam because since last 10 years no exam has been conducted. This itself suggests that management want the qualified DRTTAs only to become JTO otherwise there were Sr TOAs (4000) eligible to sit in the exam. why not management conducted the exam then?
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>>>>Heart of the matter CHQ or any other circles should not decide to file a court case, otherwise there will be a drastic situation. The exam will be stayed even if the case is filed to make all of us eligible. The fresh example of MT exam is in our view. There are 15 cases filed by variuos parties includuing DRTTAs and none of them has asked for stay. But BSNL has stopped the exam indeifintely.
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>>>>Filing even a single court case will give management an upper hand over the issue as it is subjudice. Even offcg. JTOs can claim that if the same people who have filed court case against diversion then can be given relaxation by court then why in there case the diversion cannot be allowed as they have already cleared the JTO Exam. Imagine the situation there will be no vacanies left for us as they are 6000 in numbers.
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>>>>So i again request the main leaders to stop the legal way.
>>>>Er. Sandip Solanki
>>>>9429244440
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10b. Re: WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
Posted by: "polavarapu ranganath" p_rchowdary@yahoo.com p_rchowdary
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:09 am ((PST))
My dear Manish,
Why you and some of our friends are so eager to file court case on LICE. What ever the cut-off date may be, there will be some ineligible candidates. So this is not a base to file a case.
One more thing, Recruitment rules of an organization are framed by the organization and a court can interfere only if they are violated.
If your stand is that no of posts are more than the no of eligible candidates, what will happen, all the remaining posts will be carry forwarded for the next exam.Those posts are not going to be taken away by any one. If the management says no JTO posts exists, then we can file a case on which stand they conducted JTO(DR) in 2007 and 2008.
Hence I suggest you not to go for court case and be a hurdle for our own career
Ranganath
TTA, Medak SSA
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10c. WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
Posted by: "appu appu" bsen_77@yahoo.co.in bsen_77
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:26 am ((PST))
yes. i totally agree with solanki..As he explained, in the tone of DRTTAs 2002,I request our CHQ and all circle heads to stop any legal activities in regarding the JTO LICE,which may result undesirable responses from our members...
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10d. Re: WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
Posted by: "Sandip Solanki" sandip4net@yahoo.co.in sandip4net
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:41 pm ((PST))
Dear Lalit,
I appreciate that you are the one who have representated the situation like an SNATTian. Thanks...
Friend.. Vacancies will be there... Management doesn't want Sr.TOAs as JTOs. Another thing is in the Main Issues of SNATTA was :
" To Conduct JTO-LICE with 5 years service condition ". If Service Condition is 5 years, then also some candidates are non-eligible. What to do then ?
Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440
--- On Tue, 16/2/10, lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 10:40 PM
Sir
The same question arises when snatta file a court case against diversion and that time no one come farword to say so because at that time these guys were in the list of ineligible candidates and at that time these people were contributing for the courtcase and etc with present ineligible candidates. Friends now u r saying that the processes must go but at that time management were wrong. Since the formation of bsnl its the first time that management is going to conduct the exam because of the cat decision not on its own or bsnleu or snatta and it is also very clear that after this exam in a lot of circle there will be no vacency for the next exam and without vacency how dir(hr) will be able to conduct the exam.
It is also very clear that adhoc jtos will not sit silently and will also take some steps for their rights so ultimately it is better that we should fight unitedly for the 5 year eligibility which was the sole objectives of the snatta at the time of formation of snatta and if management can change the service condition from 10 year to 7 year after filing the affidavit in cat and dir(hr) have some soft corner for the dr ttas then why he can not change this service condition to 5 year.
Friend give a second thought to your logics as when we applied for the same post in the same year and the recruitment year is same but because of the management working only few candidates got early posting and rest were faced the pain of unemployed no one come forward and now if they are taking some steps to safe guard their own rights u people talking selfishly without considering that what ever the snatta is going to do is better for the majority of the snattaians.
regards
lalit singh
cs up(e)
--- On Tue, 16/2/10, G S Rajawat <gcsrajawat@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
From: G S Rajawat <gcsrajawat@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 18:15
Hello friends
I am fully agreed with Mr Sandeep solanki…. This legal way makes the whole process so much difficult that nobody get benefited at all… every court case in history show that it linger the process… and we cant hope for the better in coming 3-4 years…. And those who are this time not eligible for the exams are automatically eligible for the exams and at that time they have not found them slave to fight the exams as at time some other cadre like TM who is BSC or MSC may go the CAT/./////and the process is again linger on… I mean to say If management already said that they are planning for the service condition for 5 year than for whom we are fighting… why we are ruin our future aspect and to whom we are fighting…..
I am totally disagree with the CHQ decision.. I am against the case. Some time later management may say that only BE people are allowed to fight…..or some other issue...
I am here on this platform want to say that we are stand here and every time the scenario is changed.. and at that time we missed this opportunity.
So think calmly and not go for the case.
This makes the whole process so much idle that we found this no more useful at time.
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And one thing more that in next exams when management reduced the 5 years ….at that time people who are less than 5 years service may beg to reduced the same thing.. oh shit…again ridiculous….
We are most educated and most learnt people in group C & D than we should behave like this..
Rest is up to you…but if the court case make the hindrance in the way of eligible ones….than its not tolerated at all…. We already found ourselves so much vanished than why we take so step.
Think again.
Best of luck.
Regards:-
G S Rajawat
B S N L ,Tonk, Rajasthan
INDIA 304021
Cell +91-9413424883
gcsrajawat@yahoo. co.in
--- On Tue, 16/2/10, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: [TTABSNL] WHY SHOULD AN "ELIGIBLE" SUFFER ?
To: "Group" <TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com>
Date: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 5:01 PM
I appeal all DRTTAs to see in the matter seriously. We will not let this chance go away.
Dear CHQ,
I hereby draw your attention to following points in regard to JTO-LICE :
1. It is to be conducted first time for DRTTAs.
2. It is the sole aim of SNATTA to remove the hurdle in the career progression of DR-TTAs.
3. It is the case where more than 1300 TTAs are eligible to give the exam.
Now regarding the court case :
1. The Lawyers are saying that it will take minimum 2 to 3 years in judgement. Then what is the meaning of Court case ? During these two years all non-eligibles will be eligible with no modification in RR also.
3. If because of court case, exam will be held then what about the eligibles ? why should they suffer more 2-3 years ?
Dir (HR) has principally agreed to permanently reduce the service condition to 5 years in presence of our President and G.S. on 08.02.2010. He also agreed to take the exam immediately after this exam is completed. The argument that this exam will be last and there will no no other exam because since last 10 years no exam has been conducted. This itself suggests that management want the qualified DRTTAs only to become JTO otherwise there were Sr TOAs (4000) eligible to sit in the exam. why not management conducted the exam then?
Heart of the matter CHQ or any other circles should not decide to file a court case, otherwise there will be a drastic situation. The exam will be stayed even if the case is filed to make all of us eligible. The fresh example of MT exam is in our view. There are 15 cases filed by variuos parties includuing DRTTAs and none of them has asked for stay. But BSNL has stopped the exam indeifintely.
Filing even a single court case will give management an upper hand over the issue as it is subjudice. Even offcg. JTOs can claim that if the same people who have filed court case against diversion then can be given relaxation by court then why in there case the diversion cannot be allowed as they have already cleared the JTO Exam. Imagine the situation there will be no vacanies left for us as they are 6000 in numbers.
So i again request the main leaders to stop the legal way.
Er. Sandip Solanki
9429244440
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11a. Re: Fw: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
Posted by: "Gaurav Singh" gks_bsnl@yahoo.co.in gks_bsnl
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:54 am ((PST))
Dear Friends(eligible+noneligible),
Up coming Jto lice exam is the result of SAMUNDRA MANTHAN done by SNATTIANS(eligible+noneligible),non eligble are waited for AMRIT ,which will be distributed by our management. There is same situation like AFTER SAMUNDRA MANTH,some peoples think,non eligible are like Villains,who are fighting for eligbility(amrit). I think if u dead without fight in RUNBHOOMI,anybody not to say you BAHADUR. It fight is most important for 16 candidates belonging to Gujrat Circle. I hope that there is a safe passage for all, that eligible should walk-out the exam in 7 years condition.if this type of massage came from our union that is our unity.
All is Well
Gaurav kumar singh
Executive Member,SNATTA
UP(E),Azamgarh ssa
9415370676
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:07 IST lalit singh wrote:
>dear zuber
> Pl. don't question the intigrity of manish. he is doing very nicely and giving his most valuable time for the snatta whole heartedly. as for as manish's eligibility is concern if manish will be eligible at that time also a lot of person are ineligiable and definately court case will come because we will not sit silently and see our carrior spoiling. pl don't divide the snatta based on eligible and ineligiable and pray for our court case sussess so that all ttas having 5 year may appear.
>regards
>lalit singh
>cs up(e)
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>--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Santosh J. Devadiga.9422268970.
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12a. Reasons to smile !!!!
Posted by: "mukesh vaghela" mukeshgvaghela@yahoo.com mukeshgvaghela
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:07 am ((PST))
Heart of Gratitude!!!
A blind boy sat on the steps of a building with a hat by his feet. He held up a sign which said: "I am blind, please help." There were only a few coins in the hat.
A man was walking by. He took a few coins from his pocket and dropped them into the hat. He then took the sign, turned it around, and wrote some words. He put the sign back so that everyone who walked by would see the new words.
Soon the hat began to fill up. A lot more people were giving money to the blind boy. That afternoon the man who had changed the sign came to see how things were. The boy recognized his footsteps and asked, "Were you the one who changed my sign this morning? What did you write?"
The man said, "I only wrote the truth. I said what you said but in a different way."
I wrote: "Today is a beautiful day but I cannot see it."
Both signs told people that the boy was blind. But the first sign simply said the boy was blind. The second sign told people that they were so lucky that they were not blind. Should we be surprised that the second sign was more effective?
Moral of the Story: Be thankful for what you have.. Be creative. Be innovative. Think differently and positively.
When life gives you a 100 reasons to cry, show life that you have 1000 reasons to smile Face your past without regret. Handle your present with confidence. Prepare for the future without fear. Keep the faith and drop the fear.
The most beautiful thing is to see a person smiling…
And even more beautiful is, knowing that you are the reason behind it!!!
Enjoy your day with a heart of gratitude.
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12b. Re: Reasons to smile !!!!
Posted by: "G S Rajawat" gcsrajawat@yahoo.co.in gcsrajawat
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:02 am ((PST))
really ....a good theme....
Regards:-
G S Rajawat
B S N L ,Tonk, Rajasthan
INDIA 304021
Cell +91-9413424883
gcsrajawat@yahoo.co.in
--- On Thu, 18/2/10, mukesh vaghela <mukeshgvaghela@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: mukesh vaghela <mukeshgvaghela@yahoo.com>
Subject: [TTABSNL] Reasons to smile !!!!
To: "tta tta" <ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, 18 February, 2010, 12:33 PM
Heart of Gratitude!!!
A blind boy sat on the steps of a building with a hat by his feet. He held up a sign which said: "I am blind, please help." There were only a few coins in the hat.
A man was walking by. He took a few coins from his pocket and dropped them into the hat. He then took the sign, turned it around, and wrote some words. He put the sign back so that everyone who walked by would see the new words.
Soon the hat began to fill up. A lot more people were giving money to the blind boy. That afternoon the man who had changed the sign came to see how things were. The boy recognized his footsteps and asked, "Were you the one who changed my sign this morning? What did you write?"
The man said, "I only wrote the truth. I said what you said but in a different way."
I wrote: "Today is a beautiful day but I cannot see it."
Both signs told people that the boy was blind. But the first sign simply said the boy was blind. The second sign told people that they were so lucky that they were not blind. Should we be surprised that the second sign was more effective?
Moral of the Story: Be thankful for what you have.. Be creative. Be innovative. Think differently and positively.
When life gives you a 100 reasons to cry, show life that you have 1000 reasons to smile Face your past without regret. Handle your present with confidence. Prepare for the future without fear. Keep the faith and drop the fear.
The most beautiful thing is to see a person smiling…
And even more beautiful is, knowing that you are the reason behind it!!!
Enjoy your day with a heart of gratitude.
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RAJKOT
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13a. jto exam
Posted by: "vaishakh soni" vaishakhs@yahoo.co.in vaishakhs
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:15 am ((PST))
the decision of court case by manish ( chq) will be very unfortunate dicison for SNATTA who are contuneous fighting for one and only one agenda to become JTO in less than time of 10 years. As per 7 years eligilbilty, most of TTAs complted 8 years and due to court case all will be completed more than 10 years. then my question is why we made assosiation, what was need to be unite and fighting for our prime demand.
this is step toward to break unity of SNATTA,
ya this decision definately beneficial to FNTO and NFTE. and they really want same.and their work will be easy because our people ready to help them to linger JTO exam.
If Non eligibility happened in case of any other TTA instead of president Manish Samadhya Should the Court Case be filed by SNATTA,CHQ ?
-Vaishakh Soni
B.E.(Electronics)
9426724484
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14a. Re: jto lice exam........
Posted by: "lalit singh" lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk lalitbsingh
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:36 pm ((PST))
dear sandeep
y r saying that leaders should think like leaders and if they r thinking as per the decision of cec u r raising the question on their working ignoring the cec decision. pl think for the association not for yourself.
regards
lalit singh
cs up(e)
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 11:42
Dear Santosh,
I understand that Zuber might not know a particular person.
But any logic fails to explain the filing of court case. If one says that the petitioners are asking for only eligibility and not for stay then why the management stayed the MT examm. MT exam petiotioners have also asked for only eligiblity. Management stopped the exam because they can't decide on conducting the exam beacuse due to court cases their situation is now in dilemma. Suppose the exam is conduted and say x number of vacancies are available. now courts have directed to declare the result of the candiates who are eligible and hold back the result of the candidates who are petiotiones. There result will be declared say after 3 years if they win the court case. Now if all the x seats were filled up by the eligible candidates then what will happen to these petiotioners. Management thus have no otion other than staying the JTO exam on this filmsy ground. Otherwise there is no other reason to hold back the MT exam.
The person in quetion has already been told by his lawyer that it will take atleast 2 years in Court Case. What is the logic behind Court Case then ?
Talking about Drawing Lines.... What if the person says " G.S. and Ex-G.S. and Treasurer are ELIGIBLES and I am not eligible.... .. " what does it mean ? Not drawing lines ? Do you know that the main petitioner in the Supereme Court and Chandigarh High Court case of diversion has become DRJTO by his hard work. You are raising finger at him. Is this your integrity or your selfishness?
This is the time when Leaders should think like LEADERS and not like PERSON. The Court Case will affect the SOLE AIM OF SNATTA.
Er. Sandip Solanki
C.C., SNATTA,
Rajkot - GUJARAT
09429244440
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 8:13 AM
In that case Zuber you dont know what person Manish is. Pls dont question the integrity of a person like Manish.
And let us not draw line between eligible and non-eligible. Lets us try that all the mates are able to appear in the exam
regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970.
From: MohammedZuber Sheikh <mgs_zuber197@ yahoo.co. in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 10:24:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
BE ALERT
If Non eligibility happened in case of any other TTA instead of president Manish Samadhya Should the Court Case be filed by SNATTA,CHQ ? THINK IT THOUROUGHLY & Give Answers to your heart.
This COurt case is like a hurdle to our Career growth. SO Please Oppose it From the HEART.
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14b. Re: jto lice exam........
Posted by: "polavarapu ranganath" p_rchowdary@yahoo.com p_rchowdary
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:47 pm ((PST))
I cant understand why u all r interested in court case, Once just remind what happened in the case of MT and go forward for the case
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From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk>
To: TTABSNL <ttabsnl@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 1:07:18 PM
Subject: Fw: Re: [TTABSNL] jto lice exam........
dear zuber
Pl. don't question the intigrity of manish. he is doing very nicely and giving his most valuable time for the snatta whole heartedly. as for as manish's eligibility is concern if manish will be eligible at that time also a lot of person are ineligiable and definately court case will come because we will not sit silently and see our carrior spoiling. pl don't divide the snatta based on eligible and ineligiable and pray for our court case sussess so that all ttas having 5 year may appear.
regards
lalit singh
cs up(e)
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo. com> wrote:
>From: Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo. com>
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15. JTO LICE EXAM- A RATIONAL APPROACH
Posted by: "shamsul huda" huda_muthaleef@yahoo.com huda_muthaleef
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:01 pm ((PST))
If we go for court case that opposes the holding of exam, then we are only repeating the past mistakes of the DOT employees. A best approach would be to force the management to conduct another exam in the next few months so that all DRTTAs of 2002 batch become eligible.
Alternatively a court verdict to hold the exam every 3 years until the internal vacancies get filled up, will also benefit the new comers of TTA batch.
SNATTA CHQ has always been moving in the positive direction benefiting TTAs. So if at all a court case is unavoidable,then the CHQ should ensure that JTO exam is definitely conducted, and not stopped indefinetly.
regards Shmasul Huda,
TTA, Chennai
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16. Fw: jto lice
Posted by: "LALUNAIK Nenavath" successlalu@yahoo.com successlalu
Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:18 pm ((PST))
congrats to juber and all eligible ttas and at the same time i request u and all ttas ,dont draw a line in between eligible and non eligible ttas snatta is a small family in bsnl associations,unity is essential to our family as it is small family,in our bsnl very big families are there, they are in high and unity and they are achieving their goals by unity only,
we are at low and in a small family with less members than others,hence i request u(juber bhai) and all snatta family please dont draw a difference line b/n eleg and non eleg ttas.
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