Dear Chandan and all, The pay anamoly that Rishi and Girish have anticipated is not altogether baseless.I think they have a very valid point and we should see that there is no discrimination with new and old TTAs.And goverment has a very little role to play in pay determination of non executives in CPSUs,it just issues a broad guidelines,a frame of rules and policies within which everything has to be finalised with mutual agreement and consent of Union and Management.Beacause,as unionised workers we have a right to negotiate on wages and other industrial disputes ,but the executives are at the mercy of government and DPE as they are just given a chance to be heard but it is finally the report of Committee which after approval of the Govt and DPE is followed in all PSUs.But we are called for agreement Reagrding the pay anamoly I would like to explain it with some examples:--- In Railways,entry level of JE--------------------rs 5000 after fitment of 1.86 now its --------------------rs 9300(5000*1.86)+ 4200(40 % of 10500,upper limit of the scales which are merged) 5000,5500,(6500-10500) are merged after VI pay comm . So,now a JE who joined before 1.1.2006(date of revision in govt dept,railways) is getting 9300+4200+da+hra+misc and a JE who joined after 1.1.2006 is also getting same amount ie 9300+4200+da+hra+misc .starting basic is 13500 for both. Suppose a JE has reached a basic of 5800 in the scale of 5000 with annual increment of rs 200. then his new basic is 5800*1.86+4200=14988. We can conclude that the fitment is universal,ie equal at all levels,entry level or even after 4 or 8 years of service the fitment benefit is 1.86. But in BSNL what happened to JTO pay scale? It was 9850 pre revised and now its proposed at 18850.(68.2 da neut and just 13 % fitment) as per the fitment formula 9850 should have been 9850*1.682*1.3-------------rs 21538 (68.2 % da neutralisation and 30% fitment) this has resulted in a serious pay anamoly.JTO who joined bsefore 1.1.2007 is now placed at rs 21538 but a jto who joined after this date will get just 18850.the difference is almost 3000 in basic alone which is just too much..So with just single day you face a loss of 3000 in basic alone. So we conclude that the fitment is not equal.If the fitment is 30 % then it should be at all levels,also at entry level. No one made hue and cry over this initially,even AIGETOA woke up from its sleep very becuase it feared it may lose prospective members .Recently it has riased its voice but that too for 2005 JTOs ,but what about those who have been recruited after 2007,why should they get less fitment.Any way this matter cant be solved by BSNL alone because the pay scale has been approved by DPE and applicable to all CPSUs. But we are at benefit becuase our scale is yet to be finalised,the wage comm has to ensure that the fitment is universal.If its 68.2 % da neutralisation and 30 % fitment formula then the new scale of TTA should be 7100*1.682*1.3=rs 15524 at the minimum.And its obvious that the TTA s who have served longer years would get benefit by virtue of the length of service,but the fitment would still be the same. tta joined before 1.1.2007,starting basic --7100 will be revised to 15524 tta joined after 1.1.2007,starting basic --7100 will be revised to 15524 if my basic is 8500 after 7 years of service then new basic--8500*1.682*1.3=rs 18586 But SNATTA is trying its best to get the pay scale upgraded from 7100 to higher scales and we have given justificationsfor that,So,f it happens then the new TTA would be benefitted more then the older ones. So at the minimum it should be rs 15524 to avoid any kind of anamoly.In other words the fitment formula should be applicable at all stages uniformally. bye
Vikas Kumar Gupta TTA(MSC),CMTS Cell,Jharkhand 9471590026
--- On Sat, 12/9/09, CHANDAN KUMAR SAMAL <chandan_bsnl@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: CHANDAN KUMAR SAMAL <chandan_bsnl@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 12 September, 2009, 1:41 AM
Hi Rishi & Girish Pay commission sits in every 10 years. Don't you think that those who joined 20/30 years back must have seen few wage revisions also. there pay was last time revised in 1997. At that time also these things must have happened. Those who joined after 1.1. 1997 must be at a disadvantage/ Advantage than the others who were rectted earlier than 1.1.1997. That's what sandip was trying to make u understand. So dear, it is the Govt that takes decisions as to who should get how much. and Govt takes decisions to be followed, not to be discussed. and u know, the funniest thing is that u people have anticipated a problem and want SNATTA to speak for u. PLEASE have a little patience. who knows 2007 rectted TTAs may be at a advantagous position than 2001 rectted just like it happened in last PRC. Also have a close watch on what happens in the case of 2005 batch JTOs. If there anomoly is solved then yours will also be solved automatically. If there problem remains as it is, then forget SNATTA, even GOD can't speak for u. bye Chandan
From: rishi singh <rishi12353@yahoo. com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 6:37:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
| Dear sandip if service period is under consideration then people who join bsnl(dot) 20 or 30 yrs back n now working in same cadre of TTA ,they sud get double or triple salary compaired to batch 2002. as per govt. rule n tradition revised salary sud be uniform 4 all(cadre wise)....n thats wat arrears matters,who joined early he will got arrears.by the way why ur logic is not applicable to MT recruitment with their pay scale???? regards rishi TTA,bangalore
--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
From: Sandip Solanki <sandip4net@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 5:37 AM
| Dear Girish Kumar, Don't be so exited. We have serve the department for last 7 years and for that we are getting the 30% fitment. You have just entered in to. The revision of scales will decide your benefit. But it will definately not at par with the recruitees before 1.1.2007 and it is ligible. The fitment is the part of service before the wage revision, that is not applicable in 2008 and 2009 batch. There is nothing to think of. We are trying our best for better Revised Scales. Even we have demanded that they should be revised as per the DPE guidlines. Then it will be about 16400/-. Let's see what happens. Don't ever try to mislead someone that there will be injustice to 2008 & 2009 batch. This is the rule.
Er. Sandip Solanki C.C., SNATTA, Rajkot - GUJARAT 09429244440
--- On Thu, 10/9/09, Gireesh Kumar <gireesh.klm@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Gireesh Kumar <gireesh.klm@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] pay scale for non executive.
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups .com
Date: Thursday, 10 September, 2009, 8:30 PM
In this Wage Revision there will not be any benefit for Newly Recruited TTAs, Isn't It ?? Who will speak for Us ???????? Wt R the actions taken by SNATTA in this regard ???????
Gireesh Kumar M
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:11 PM, VENKATESAN RAD <venk212@yahoo. com> wrote: | HI, EXPECTED PAY IF IT IS 30% FITMANT TTA 2002 TTA 2008 ------------ --------- --------- --------- - OLD PAY SCALE NEW SCALE OF PAY BASIC 7100-200-10100 14500-30400( 3% annual inc) TTA 2002 BATCH WILL GET 30% FIT ALONG WITH NEW BASIC AS ON 1-1-2007. IT MAY BE AROUND Rs. 18850+24%DA+ HRA+DIET+ TA. TOTAL EMULANTS AROUND BASIC 18850 DA 4524 HRA 1885 DIET 500 TA 300 ------------ ----- 26059 ------------ ---- NEW TTA MAY GET NO FIT APPLICABLE FOR NEW JOIN AFTER 1-1-2007 basic 14900 da 3480 HRA 1490 DIET 500 TA 300 ------------ --------- -- GROSS 20766 ------------ --------- -- THIS IS ONLY APPROXIMATE BUT NEW TTA GET VERY LESS COMPARE TO OLD TTA. BY ER. M. RAJESH KUMAR TTA CMTS, PALACODE 9443200084 | -- "..dar ke Aaage Jeeth Hei.." Gireesh Kumar M
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