ttabsnl94: TTABSNL Digest Number 1930

There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: order copy considering training period as increment-Reg
From: karna naik

2a. Re: reasons of our miseries
From: Deepak Kumar
2b. Re: reasons of our miseries
From: Santosh J. Devadiga
2c. Re: reasons of our miseries/NEPP
From: abhilash v

3. Shri R.K.Upadhyay ,New Boss of Bsnl
From: GAURAV KUMAR SINGH

4a. Re: Wi-max
From: vineeth

5. "Home Unlimited Plan" – Take best efforts to rope in max
From: Bandhan.P.Singh

Messages
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1a. Re: order copy considering training period as increment-Reg
Posted by: "karna naik" karnakar2k8@yahoo.co.in karnakar2k8
Date: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:27 am ((PDT))

i am also facing same problem pls enclose order copy
--- On Wed, 20/10/10, amreesh sharma <amreesh_80@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: amreesh sharma <amreesh_80@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TTABSNL Re: order copy considering training period as increment-Reg
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 20 October, 2010, 11:05 AM

Hello Mr. Prasad,
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â You can see the Rule No FR 26 (2) of Swamy's compilation of FRSR part-I in which it is clearly mentioned that w.e.f 01/10/1990, only in case of direct recruites, who are compulsorily required to undergo training before Â joining, training period is treated as duty for purpose of drawing increment.
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â No letter has been issued in this regard as it is in the Ruling itself.So pl se swamy's FRSR and you will find your answer.

Amreesh Sharma
JAO
BSNL Civil Division
Ludhiana
94170-00023

--- On Tue, 19/10/10, gauravmahajan29 <gauravm29@gmail.com> wrote:

From: gauravmahajan29 <gauravm29@gmail.com>
Subject: TTABSNL Re: order copy considering training period as increment-Reg
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 7:49 PM

Hello Prasad,

The increment is granted from the Training date. It is there in PB Circle. The letter is very old (2002s or 2003s) but I will try to search and upload the same. However, you can use my HRMS No: as reference to quote the same to the concerned authorities of your unit. It is 200201123.

You can also tell the concerned authorities of your unit to consult the respective staff in PB Circle.

Gaurav
TTA- IT
PKT- PB
09463060050

--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, "Prasad.T." <global_pra@...> wrote:
>
> hello,
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Can anyone please upload order copy which has Â TRAINING PERIOD CONSIDERING Â FOR Â INCREMENT.
> T.PRASAD,TTA,BB,KHM,AP
>

Messages in this topic (4)
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2a. Re: reasons of our miseries
Posted by: "Deepak Kumar" deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com deepak_bsnlktr
Date: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:27 am ((PDT))

it is based roughly on the votes in the last verification as this is the only
criteria of recognition.

regards
deepak kumar
9431610399

________________________________
From: abhilash v <abhilash_ok@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 10:31:58 AM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries

Dear Deepak,
You have written that now NFTE has nearly 48% of membership. Is it a correct
figure from the salary subscription basis or just an assumption? If you have
clear figure then please do provide it. It will be helpful for us.
yours
Abhilash V
CC,Kerala.
09447700766

--- On Tue, 19/10/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com> wrote:

>From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 6:42 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>dear lalit ji
>it is good to hear u. but please give a road map of the struggle and discuss
>the consequences of this.
>at this time u know NFTE has nearly 48% membership but how helpless Mr C Singh
>(GS) is in doing any thing in our favour? Suppose we support BSNLEU in next
>verification and it looses the election then why Mr C Singh will raise our
>demands? and what will be our status from division to national level? your ideas
>r idealistic one but practically it is not going to do any good to us. actually
>the time requires some special efforts with force and brain.
>
>
>regards
>deepak kumar
>9431610399
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk>
>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:39:23 PM
>Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
>
>
>Deepak Ji
> In my view we should be intact as a group in SNATTA and should continue with
>dual membership with motive of gathering important and key posts of all the
>unions at all levels.
> But i completely disagree with u because of the following reasons
>1. If we join diff. union our integrity will be lie with them respectively and
>after that we will always speak their language in accordance of our like or
>dislike, work for strengthening those unions because of a responsible office
>bearer and will attack on mistakes/ lapses/their strategic decisions (like
>differentiation in NEPP for absorbed and DR employees or same scale to Sr.TOA &
>TTA)
>2.U r saying for dual membership but u know better that because of dual
>membership a huge amount of fund gone waste as these pity unions r not doing any
>thing for TTAs (as u also mentioned). This dual membership may be said correct
>for those office bearer of other union as a extra cost for their post but why
>tta should waste their hard earned money on the luxury of those duffer unionist
>who r not doing anything for the employees.(Saying duffer because u may feel
>shocked after listening that after continuous wining struggle of these unionist
>a lot of employees are retiring from those post where they were recruited). U
>know better that SNATTA is also facing fund shortage and what ever fund we are
>donating in 02 year to these unions we are not able to collect that amount from
>the beginning f the SNATTA.
> So in conclusion i can say that if we r interested to fight against the
>injustice against TTAs we have to come forward as a union under a single
>umbrella with single membership by which these union will not be able say that
>how much no of ttas are in favour of them and unitedly we will stand
>financially, physically and morally and then can make a pact with these unions,
>create pressure by asking at least leadership not membership in union
>activities.
>Thanks
>Lalit singh
>CS UP(E)
>
>--- On Tue, 28/9/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
>>To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
>>Cc: snattachq@gmail.com
>>Date: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 9:14
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear friends
>>
>>
>>As we r going to gather at Goa for national conference, here i am posting some
>>food for thoughts. Looking at the schedule of the program, it will be very
>>compact one with very less time to speak. So i am giving some thoughts here.
>>
>>
>>The TTA cadre in BSNL is suffering since long due to various reasons either
>>absorbed or direct recruited. Initially there was cadre union in BSNL and
>>BTTU(Bharat Tlecom Technician Union) was representing the cases of Technicians,
>>PIs, RSAs etc pre-restructured cadres. After formation of BSNL, one recognised
>> union policy was adopted. Now other cadres mainly Sr TOAs and TMs were large
>>in numbers while TTAs were very few. The leadership of almost all the union was
>>in the hands of Sr TOAs, but TMs was the main vote bank due to its numbers and
>>TTAs sidelined due to their less numbers. As per my knowledge and understandings
>>the absorbed TTAs joined BSNL Workers Rashtriya Union, which had TMs associated
>>with it, but it too limited to few circles(UP etc). The three major unions ie
>>BSNLEU, NFTE, FNTO was not bothered about TTAs as there is nil or very few TTAs
>>in its district, circle or national bodies.
>>
>>
>>TTAs suffered due to this set up in 2002 when management was ready to give 5500
>>scale in place of 4500 as done in other profit making PSUs. Then ruling party,
>>NFTE, demanded same hike for Sr TOAs , giving reasons that Sr TOAS r more
>>qualified (BA, BSc) then TTAs(Diploma). And it forced management to keep it at
>>only 5000.
>>
>>
>>After the formation of SNATTA the bold face of TTA was shown to all. The party
>>supported by us get majority in all the elections afterwards. It created unrest
>>in the loosing party, but ruling party is taking it casually. Again the reason
>>is same. We r group of hard working people,. We r of the importance only in the
>>election times. They just need our votes to get majority and after that they
>>will care only for Sr TOAs and TMs.
>>Neither union can do any thing against Sr TOA or TM, WHY? Because all the unions
>>has these cadres in key posts and they will not let anyone to harm these cadres
>>interest.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>SOLUTION-
>> On this platform and others there r many call
>>to dissociate ourselves from all unions and form our separate union. But i
>>disagree. In my view we should be intact as a group in SNATTA and should
>>continue with dual membership with motive of gathering important and key posts
>>of all the unions at all levels.
>>
>>
>>Looking for a healthy debate at Goa and group.
>>
>>
>>Deepak Kumar
>>9431610399
>>
>
>

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2b. Re: reasons of our miseries
Posted by: "Santosh J. Devadiga" sjd_4u@yahoo.com sjd_4u
Date: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:38 pm ((PDT))

Dear frnds,
NFTE and FNTO fought together last time under the umbrella of NFTE. But this
time FNTO is fighting alone and is looking out for partners. so dont consider
the last time count. Its a different story now.

regards,
Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970

________________________________
From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 20 October, 2010 6:42:57 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries

it is based roughly on the votes in the last verification as this is the only
criteria of recognition.

regards
deepak kumar
9431610399

________________________________
From: abhilash v <abhilash_ok@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 10:31:58 AM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries

--- On Tue, 19/10/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com> wrote:

Messages in this topic (8)
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2c. Re: reasons of our miseries/NEPP
Posted by: "abhilash v" abhilash_ok@yahoo.co.in abhilash_ok
Date: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:29 am ((PDT))

Dear Deepak,
Santhosh is right. If NFTE and FNTO break their alliance then there is not much hope for both of them. In such a scenario it would be a walk over for BSNLEU. Let us see what happens in the coming days. The salary subscription figures can be collected from the corporate office. But I don't have it. At the last verification time EU had 136000 subscription but got only 124000. Many employees abstained from voting. Anyway if the NEPP is implemented before the verification, BSNLEU would loose a large number of votes. Many absorbed employees including absorbed TTAs andÂ OTBP/BCR given Sr.TOAs, few OTBP/BCR Â given TMs may have to refund a huge amount if they had opted for NEPP. This NEPP will prove itself as a big flop except for TMs who didn't get OTBP/BCR after 01.10.2000.
yours
Abhilash V
CC,Kerala.
09447700766

--- On Wed, 20/10/10, Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Santosh J. Devadiga <sjd_4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 20 October, 2010, 11:08 PM

Dear frnds,
NFTE and FNTO fought together last time under the umbrella of NFTE. But this time FNTO is fighting alone and is looking out for partners. so dont consider the last time count. Its a different story now.Â

regards,
Â Santosh J. Devadiga.
9422268970

From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 20 October, 2010 6:42:57 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries

it is based roughly on the votes in the last verification as this is the only criteria of recognition.

regards
deepak kumar
9431610399

From: abhilash v <abhilash_ok@yahoo.co.in>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 10:31:58 AM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries

Dear Deepak,
You have written that now NFTE has nearly 48% of membership. Is it a correct figure from the salary subscription basis or just an assumption? If you have clear figure then please do provide it. It will be helpful for us.
yours
Abhilash V
CC,Kerala.
09447700766

--- On Tue, 19/10/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 6:42 PM

dear lalit ji
it is good to hear u. but please give a road map of the struggle and discuss theÂ consequences of this.Â
at this time u know NFTE has nearly 48% membership but how helpless Mr C Singh (GS) is in doing any thing in our favour?Â Â Suppose we support BSNLEU in next verification and it looses the election then why Mr C Singh will raise our demands? and what will be our status from division to national level? your ideas r idealistic one butÂ practicallyÂ it is not going to do any good to us. actually the time requires some special efforts with force and brain.

regards
deepak kumar
9431610399

From: lalit singh <lalitbsingh@yahoo.co.uk>
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:39:23 PM
Subject: Re: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries

Deepak Ji
Â Â In my view we should beÂ intact as a group in SNATTA and should continue with dual membership with motive of gathering important and key posts ofÂ Â all the unions at all levels.
Â But i completely disagree with u because of the following reasons
1. If we join diff. union our integrity will be lie with them respectively and after that we will always speak their language in accordance of our like or dislike, work for strengthening those unions because of a responsible office bearer and will attack on mistakes/ lapses/their strategic decisions (like differentiation in NEPP for absorbed and DR employees or same scale to Sr.TOA & TTA)
2.U r saying for dual membership but u know better that because of dual membership a huge amount of fund gone waste as these pity unions r not doing any thing for TTAs (as u also mentioned). This dual membership may be said correct for those office bearer of other union as a extra cost for their post but why tta should waste their hard earned money on the luxury of those duffer unionist who r not doing anything for the employees.(Saying duffer because u may feel shocked after listening that after continuous wining struggle of these unionist a lot of employees are retiring from those post where they were recruited). U know better that SNATTA is also facing fund shortage and what ever fund we are donating in 02 year to these unions we are not able to collect that amount from the beginning f the SNATTA.
Â Â So in conclusion i can say that if we r interested to fight against the injustice against TTAsÂ we have to come forward as a union under a single umbrella with single membership by which these union will not be able say that how much no of ttas are in favour of them and unitedly we will stand financially, physically and morally and then can make a pact with these unions, create pressure by asking at least leadership not membership in union activities.
Thanks
Lalit singh
CS UP(E)Â

--- On Tue, 28/9/10, Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Deepak Kumar <deepak_bsnlktr@yahoo.com>
Subject: TTABSNL reasons of our miseries
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Cc: snattachq@gmail.com
Date: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 9:14

Dear friends

As we r going to gather at Goa for national conference, here i am posting some food for thoughts. Looking at the schedule of the program, it will be very compact one with very less time to speak. So i am giving some thoughts here.

The TTA cadre in BSNL is suffering since long due to various reasons either absorbed or direct recruited.Â Initially there was cadre union in BSNL and BTTU(Bharat Tlecom Technician Union) was representing the cases of Technicians, PIs, RSAs etc pre-restructured cadres. After formation of BSNL, one recognised Â Â union policy was adopted. Now other cadres mainly Sr TOAs and TMs were large in numbers while TTAs were very few. The leadership of almost all the union was in the hands of Sr TOAs, but TMs was the main vote bank due to its numbers and TTAs sidelined due to their less numbers. As per my knowledge and understandings the absorbed TTAs joined BSNL Workers Rashtriya Union, which had TMs associated with it, but it too limited to few circles(UP etc). The three major unions ie BSNLEU, NFTE, FNTO was not bothered about TTAs as there is Â nil or very few TTAs in its district, circle or national bodies.

TTAs suffered due to this set up in 2002 when management was ready to give 5500 scale in place of 4500 as done in other profit making PSUs. Then ruling party, NFTE, demanded same hike for Sr TOAs , giving reasons that Sr TOAS r more qualified (BA, BSc) then TTAs(Diploma). And it forced management to keep it at only 5000.

After the Â formation of SNATTA the bold face of Â TTA was shown to all. The party supported by us get majority in all the elections afterwards. It created unrest in the loosing party, butÂ rulingÂ party is taking itÂ casually.Â Again the reason is same. We r group of hard working people,. We r of the importance only in the election times. They just need our votes to get majority and after that they will care only for Sr TOAs and TMs.
Neither union can do any thing against Sr TOA or TM, WHY?Â BecauseÂ all the unions has these cadres in key posts and they will not let anyone to harm these cadres interest.Â

SOLUTION-
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â On this platform and others there r many call toÂ dissociate ourselves from all unions and form ourÂ separateÂ union. But i disagree. In my view we should beÂ intact as a group in SNATTA and should continue with dual membership with motive of gathering important and key posts ofÂ Â all the unions at all levels.

Looking for a healthy debate at Goa and group.

Deepak Kumar
9431610399

Messages in this topic (8)
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3. Shri R.K.Upadhyay ,New Boss of Bsnl
Posted by: "GAURAV KUMAR SINGH" gks_bsnl@yahoo.co.in gks_bsnl
Date: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:27 am ((PDT))

Shri R.K.Upadhyay will be the new boss of bsnl.he will take charge on 25-10-2010. Gaurav Kumar Singh
Azamgarh
Sent from my Nokia phone

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4a. Re: Wi-max
Posted by: "vineeth" vineethadolph@gmail.com vineethadolph
Date: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:27 am ((PDT))

Yes what's ur doubt

Vineeth Adolph
Telecom Technical Assistant
(WiMax/WLL,Alleppey)
Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited
(A Govt. Of India Enterprise

--- In TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com, shasikanta mutum <shasi_mutum@...> wrote:
>
> Hai,
> Is there anyone in Sells or Wi-Max section? I want to ask something about Wi-Max CPE and USB modem.
>
> M. Shasikanta
> TTA-Mobile,
> NE-II Circle, Manipur-SSA
> 9436023007
>
>

Messages in this topic (2)
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5. "Home Unlimited Plan" – Take best efforts to rope in max
Posted by: "Bandhan.P.Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:36 am ((PDT))

*"Home Unlimited Plan" – Take best efforts* * to rope in maximum customers*

*This is an attractive scheme, introduced as a promotional offer for 90
days with effect from 07.10.2010. As per this plan unlimited free call
facility will be provided to one BSNL home landline from Mobile connection.
Call charges will be as per General Plan, i.e., 1 paise per second. Other
terms and conditions are contained in the BSNL letter reproduced herein
below. Kerala Circle has provided more than 10 lakh connections under a
similar scheme called "Loyal Sim". Our Staff are requested to take best
efforts to rope in maximum customers under the scheme.*

--
regards,

Bandhan Preet Singh,
Broadband Engineer (TTA),
BSNL, Mohali, Chd.

Think Different...Think Good..!!

"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"

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