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1a. Re: Order for Exeption from PVR & Bond
From: gauravmahajan29
2a. Re: Pitroda's recomendation
From: Manoranjan Shrivastava
3a. Again my double centuary in a single day not only stunned the GM
From: Thirumal Pratap
3b. Re: [TTABSNL] Again my double centuary in a single day not only
From: balwant singh dhindsa
4. Sam Pitroda's suggestions are good, but turning BSNL around is g
From: BP Singh
5a. Re: Again my double centuary in a single day not only stunned the G
From: koticha kinjan
6. Add these IP in the DNS for proper Web Site functioning
From: dharmen24
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1a. Re: Order for Exeption from PVR & Bond
Posted by: "gauravmahajan29" gauravm29@gmail.com gauravmahajan29
Date: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:39 pm ((PDT))
Hello Hassan,
I have once seen the said clarification in Swami's rulebook. Please refer the same.
Gaurav
TTA-IT
PKT-PB
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> hello
> i'm TTA in Patna SSA
> does anyone has the order regarding exeption from PVR & bond in case of departmental candidate cleared outsider DRJTO exam then please let me mail.
> hassan
> TTA
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2a. Re: Pitroda's recomendation
Posted by: "Manoranjan Shrivastava" m_9430923355@yahoo.co.in m_9430923355
Date: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:39 pm ((PDT))
dear friends,
hi
this is very true to say mr. pitroda as sane pitroda.
yar he took only 1 month to diagnose the so called problems in BSNL.
really islie i call him sane pitroda.
yar he should have suggested some thing else 4 upliftment of our BSNL, but...
his suggestions not meet the ground reallty.
hope 4 best.
manoranjan
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3a. Again my double centuary in a single day not only stunned the GM
Posted by: "Thirumal Pratap" thiru_be19@yahoo.com thiru_be19
Date: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:44 pm ((PDT))
DEAR PRITIPAL,
U REALLY DONE WELL. THIS HAS TO BE CONTINUED.
BUT WHAT'S THE USE .THE MANAGEMENT DOES NOT BOTHERED ABOUT THE DRUNKARDS.ALL OUR GM/DGM/DE/SDE/... SIMPLY WATCHING THOSE DRUNKARDS,THEIR HANDS ARE TIED .IF ANY SINCERE OFFICER GOING TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THOSE DRUNKARDS,HE/SHE HAS TO FACE THE UNION PRESSURE.
IN CHENNAI, MANY LONG STAYING OFFICIERS RECENTLY DISTURBED BASED ON THE WORKING LINES RATIO.LIKEWISE, WHT DON'T THE MANAGEMENT TAKE THE ACTION DIRECTLY FOR THE PEOPLE LIKE DRUNKARD,PLAYING CARDS DURING OFFICE HOURS,SHOUTING,USE VULGAR WORDS,MISBEHAVIOUR,IRRITATING CUSTOMERS,BRIBE,ETC...
THERE IS ONE PHILOSOPHY THERE,
" GIVE THE WORK THOSE WHO R WORKING
PAY THE SALARY THOSE WHO R NOT WORKING "
REGARDS,
THIRUMAL.L
DRTTA-2002,
CHENNAI CIRCLE.
CALL:09444248589 / 09445480720
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3b. Re: [TTABSNL] Again my double centuary in a single day not only
Posted by: "balwant singh dhindsa" bsladewalia@yahoo.co.in bsladewalia
Date: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:36 am ((PDT))
well said thirumal anna !
"those who r working load them like beasts n those who r not working just close thy eyes n keep feeding those leeches" is the mantra of bsnl.
there r 2 ways of evaluating pritpal's case.
number one: the m,ment may think that if the ttas r working beyond the call of duty with such a zeal, it means they r absolutely happy with their employers and the working environment and they need not be given anything extra. appreciation sms or e mail not withstanding.
number two it is a job well done. but the problem here is that our bosses start quoting these things saying that if he can do it why cann't u. then the trouble starts because X and y may not be able to devote same amount of time for these things.
but personally i must appreciate pp's endeavour. it's a job well done. keep it up.
bs dhindsa
tta(bb) raikot
ludhiana ssa
9463271261
--- On Thu, 18/3/10, Thirumal Pratap <thiru_be19@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Thirumal Pratap <thiru_be19@yahoo.com>
Subject: [TTABSNL] Again my double centuary in a single day not only stunned the GM office but also punjab circle.
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 18 March, 2010, 4:56 PM
DEAR PRITIPAL,
U REALLY DONE WELL. THIS HAS TO BE CONTINUED.
BUT WHAT'S THE USE .THE MANAGEMENT DOES NOT BOTHERED ABOUT THE DRUNKARDS.ALL OUR GM/DGM/DE/SDE/ ... SIMPLY WATCHING THOSE DRUNKARDS,THEIR HANDS ARE TIED .IF ANY SINCERE OFFICER GOING TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THOSE DRUNKARDS,HE/ SHE HAS TO FACE THE UNION PRESSURE.
IN CHENNAI, MANY LONG STAYING OFFICIERS RECENTLY DISTURBED BASED ON THE WORKING LINES RATIO.LIKEWISE, WHT DON'T THE MANAGEMENT TAKE THE ACTION DIRECTLY FOR THE PEOPLE LIKE DRUNKARD,PLAYING CARDS DURING OFFICE HOURS,SHOUTING, USE VULGAR WORDS,MISBEHAVIOUR, IRRITATING CUSTOMERS,BRIBE, ETC...
THERE IS ONE PHILOSOPHY THERE,
" GIVE THE WORK THOSE WHO R WORKING
PAY THE SALARY THOSE WHO R NOT WORKING "
REGARDS,
THIRUMAL.L
DRTTA-2002,
CHENNAI CIRCLE.
CALL:09444248589 / 09445480720
The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.
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4. Sam Pitroda's suggestions are good, but turning BSNL around is g
Posted by: "BP Singh" email13@gmail.com bsnl_chd
Date: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:44 pm ((PDT))
*Sam Pitroda's suggestions are good, but turning BSNL around is going to be
a very tough job, writes Ajith Athrady*
The state-run telecom major Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited (BSNL) is in the
news again and that too for the wrong reasons. Its employees are planning to
go on a nationwide strike to protest against some sweeping changes,
including massive job cuts, proposed by an expert committee. BSNL, plagued
by numerous problems, is now gearing up for a complete overhaul, but
everyone related to it know that salvaging the telecom behemoth is not an
easy task for the government or the management as it has to overcome many
insurmountable challenges in a short period of time. They also know that
time is ticking away for BSNL. BSNL, the third biggest employer after the
Indian army and railways, recorded a whopping 81 per cent drop in its net
profit in 2008-09 to Rs 575 crore from Rs 3,009 crore in 2007-08. Its
revenue at Rs 35,812 crore in 2008-09 was 10 per cent higher.
Even more alarming is the fact that BSNL is actually making losses from its
telecom operations, as the interest income Rs 3,900 crore that company
earned in 2008-09 contributed to its profits. In the last financial year
also BSNL's interest income was Rs 4,004 crore, contributing bulk of its
profit of Rs 3009 crore.
Sadly, the company that connected people from every nook and corner of India
with its fibre optic cables and phones has lost heavily on its landline
(non-cellular) business. According to a reply by the junior
Telecommunications Minister Gurudas Kamat, BSNL in 2008-09 incurred losses
worth Rs 4,963 crore from landline business. In fact, in the last five
years, BSNL's revenue from the landline business has dipped by more than 45
per cent. Intense competition in business, following the opening up of the
telecom sector to private companies, is another reason for BSNL's downfall.
*Plenty of faults*
A sharp fall in average revenue per subscriber, an increase in operating
expenses and higher customer acquisition costs are eroding the profits of
all telecom companies including BSNL. One representative example of the
intense competition is the Karnataka telecom circle where there are now as
many as 12 operators for cellular phones and four for landline.
Poor management, bureaucratic interference in day-to-day affairs, failure to
compete with private players, corruption in equipment procurement and delay
in decision-making all have hit BSNL's performance in the last three to four
years.
Taking a serious note of the plight of the telecom behemoth, Prime Minister
Manmohan Singh appointed a committee headed by Sam Pitroda to find out ways
to salvage the slipping company.
The panel, which went through all the details and nitty-gritty of the
company, has recommended several measures which are as follows. It said
that BSNL should cut one lakh jobs which is equal to one third of its
strength of 3 lakh employees. The government should lower its equity stake
in the company by 30 per cent through disinvestment of shares, is another
suggestion.
*Difficult to implement*
Pitroda also wanted BSNL to scrap the telecom equipment orders for 93
million GSM lines and replace it with network outsourcing deal. BSNL's board
has accepted all recommendations of the expert committee and cleared a
proposal for 30 per cent government equity dilution. But the management has
already started facing the heat from the employees, who threatened to go on
strike to derail the government attempt. The recommendations of the expert
committee certainly make sense but will be very difficult to implement. The
committee, for example, has suggested 30 per cent stake sale of BSNL to an
Indian strategic investor or through an Initial Public Offering (IPO). 20
per cent of the revenue earned from equity sale should be utilised for
employee VRS, expansion and operations.
This prescription is impossible to follow. First of all, a strategic
investor pumping in millions of dollars for buying 30 per cent stake will
ask BSNL to shed all its excess employees and redundant operations before
chipping in any money.
If the company goes through the IPO route it will not be able to sell its
shares because of its very poor financial. No wonder, the BSNL board has
decided to approach the finance ministry for grants to fund the VRS scheme.
Stake sell will also face opposition from the union. Since 2007, BSNL has
twice approved the proposal to divest 10 per cent stake in the company but
the plan so far has failed to take off due to opposition from the employee
unions.
*Strike threat*
Fifteen employees' unions in BSNL have already threatened to start agitation
against the Pitroda panel's recommendations. "Why sell the stake when the
company is sitting on a Rs 35,000 crore cash reserve. Let it use the
existing cash for its expansion," Convener of Joint Forum of Executives and
Non Executives' Unions and Associations V A N Namboodiri told Deccan
Herald. To reduce the staff strength from around 3 lakh, the committee
recommended outsourcing of several services including those of call centre
or IT management. BSNL has already initiated the process to outsource more
than 50,000 towers and over 5 lakh km of fibre optic cable. But, this move
too is expected to face stiff resistance from the employees as it will
impact close to 30,000 jobs. On the issue of downsizing of staff, the BSNL
board is learnt to have decided to offer VRS to about 60,000 of its
employees. "About 60,000 people are retiring in the next four to five years,
who can accept the VRS. The rest of the 40,000 employees can be relocated in
the communications ministry," a official said.
*Surely overstaffed *
There is merit in trimming the jumbo staff of BSNL, which suffers from low
employee productivity and poor man management. The employee base of the
state-run telecom company is ten times more than the private operators. For
example, Airtel, the market leader in mobile phone segment with 25 per cent
market share, has over 122 million subscribers across the country. It has
just about 25,000 employees to manage the operations. BSNL has 65 million
wireless subscribers and 27.9 million fixed-line users for which it has
three lakh employees, making its employee-to-customer ratio of 1:310 against
Airtel's 1:4880. But Namboodiri is of the view that there is no need for
reducing the staff as already over one lakh employees have retired in the
last ten years. "If the government goes ahead with further downsizing of the
staff, it would be disastrous as the company is already facing shortage of
quality staff", he said. To bring professionalism in the company management,
the committee has said an eminent person from the private sector should be
appointed as chairman supported by best professionals selected from the
market at market rates. It has also suggested separation of the post of the
Managing Director or Chief Executive Officer from that of the Chairman.
*Other moves*
Another reason for poor performance as identified by the committee is
overlapping of several businesses causing unnecessary burden on the company.
To sort out the problem the panel has recommended a separate subsidiary to
hold undeveloped land bank. To address the delay in procuring network
equipment, which is one of the problems the company is facing, the panel has
suggested that BSNL should start using tools such as e-procurement, vendor
rating and running contracts.
Rajya Sabha member Rajeev Chandrashekar, who has been urging the Prime
Minister to salvage the PSU, told this newspaper that there is an urgent
need to bring changes in the management . "The government should take some
drastic steps to save the company as it is the most important national
asset" he said.
DH News Service
*Prescription of expert committee on BSNL*
*Recommendations
* Cut 100,000 or one-third of 300,000 jobs
* Government should divest 30 per cent stake through IPO
* Bring in strategic investors by offering stake
* Create a separate company to hold land and other BSNL assets
* Scrap contracts awarded for 93 million GSM lines, go for utsourcing *
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Problem in implementation
* Employees union will go on strike,
political parties will oppose
8 Politically difficult, given the poor health and uncertain future, IPO
will not sell
* It will ask for trimming of workforce before and will demand management
control
* Will make BSNL less attractive to suitors and the process will take
long time
* May lead to litigation and BSNL has no experience in outsourcing *
regards,
Bandhan Preet Singh,
Chandigarh
--
"THINK GOOD--SPREAD GOOD, DO GOOD--HAVE GOOD"
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5a. Re: Again my double centuary in a single day not only stunned the G
Posted by: "koticha kinjan" kinjan_koticha@yahoo.co.in kinjan_koticha
Date: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:45 pm ((PDT))
hello friends
Er. PRITPAL SINGH has done victory i m heartly congratulate him
PRITPAL JI we also do mela for bsnl products and got great succes ,as photo and detail was
mailed on this group
i am giving one idea to CS that give competitive environment to all TTA for to do
such kind of activity (It may be internally at SNATTA LEVEL )
LIKE MELA ,ROADSHOW,TELEMARKETING AND ALL
arrange to give award to tta who made any victory by doing marketing besides his regular
duty and can sell many and more BSNL PRODUCTS And make aware to higher authority
SO ALL TTA WILL START THINKING FOR INNOVATIVE IDEAS AND WE WILL GET
HIGHLIGHTED BY POSITIVE ACTIVITY ,all higher authority will have to reconize us
so we will not required to do dharna and all like activity
according to me we should do "GANDHI GIRI "for higher officer to achieve
"MOTTO OF SNATTA"
Mr.KOTICHA KINJAN(B.E.E.C.)
TTA-KUTIYANA
gujarat circle
--- On Wed, 17/3/10, BP Singh <email13@gmail.com> wrote:
From: BP Singh <email13@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TTABSNL] Again my double centuary in a single day not only stunned the GM office but also punjab circle.
To: TTABSNL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 March, 2010, 11:02 PM
great pritpal..!!
keep it up..we all have to see ourselves as Employee first and then anything else.
i get very happy to read your email as i myself involved in many marketing camps for BSNL, Mohali and voluntarily giving technical and customer care to more than 600 Data Cards (EVDO & NIC) in-spite of my hectic broadband duty.
you are lucky that u got good chance to prove that YOU (TTA) can do something positive for BSNL.
remain in tune..
your friend,
Bandhan Preet Singh
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Er.PRITPAL SINGH <preetparu@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
Hello Friends
In continuation with the camps and roadshow organised by me in the different locations with full success again management congratulates me and i m very much happy that with these type of activities and progress they believe more faith on TTA cadre inspite of non execuitve.Now what they feel they all waiting when all we JTO so that we are more hardworker than others ouch wood we must all.Friends again i wrote them if sachin tendulkar do that then why not am i ?
Excell sim 2G = 234
NTC= 12
Broadband = 13
Recharge = 13429/-
so friends with the union activities we have to impress management with our quality of work so that they accept that all we eligible for promotion now what i feel.
WITH REGARDS
Er.PRITPAL SINGH
DISTT PRESIDENT SNATTA,BSNLEU
LCM MEMBER HOSHIARPUR
PUNJAB 09417073556
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6. Add these IP in the DNS for proper Web Site functioning
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Date: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:50 pm ((PDT))
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